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I have to laugh at a lot of things I read here concerning "healing." But, sadly.

A woman is healed. And she is happy because the pain she has lived with for months, or even years, is now gone. Yet, should she make the mistake of mentioning it on this "supposedly" Christian forum, she is immediately assailed by any number of people making sure to let her know that it was not God.

Because, all these people seem to know that God is very limited and restricted in what He is allowed to do in the realm of healing. Anything less than bolts of lightening or maybe being struck from off the back of a horse cannot possibly be God working in your life. And, of course, the primary qualifying proof is that any of this has to be immediate.... despite the fact that Jesus, himself, took more than one quick shot to heal a man of blindness.

But, worse than this, is the equally fanatical crowd that seems to think God wants us to all drag around in at least "emotional" (but, preferably, PHYSICAL) pain and suffering until we are FINALLY healed after our deaths. It seem to almost be an act of blasphemy, in their estimation, for a Christian to express an extended period of time living in exaltation and joyfulness. That stuff is, PERHAPS, acceptable for a moment or two... and in the proper setting... and, of course, "righteously!"... but, don't you dare get a thrill out of riding a surfboard or even playing hop-scotch with the kids!

Does anyone here think I am being overly critical of a certain aspect of the church, or have some of you actually been victim to some of this treatment? And for those who really do this to other people...... May I ask "Why?" Do you think you are somehow saving them from damnation for believing God cares enough about them to relieve some suffering, here and now, while they are still alive?
 
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AllenW

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I for one have been on every side of the healing debate.
Mostly I've always believed God wants us healed.
Yet I find myself and my wife suffering from illnesses that the doctors have no answers for.
Maybe it's the result of my lifestyle in the past.
I was poor with a poor diet.
I was a drug addict and alcohol abuser for 18 years.
I suffered agent orange exposure in Viet Nam and are feeling the affects of that more now then ever before.
And I've had every Christian I know pray for me since it all began many years ago.
Am I suppose to suffer?
Good question?

But what about my wife?
She suffers from many ailments too, some for many years.
And she is a sweet holy woman of God.
Is she suppose to suffer too?

Or is it true that not all of us will be healed.

God does keep us alive.
My recent emergency AAA abdominal aneurysm surgery, the doc said I should of died, he called it a miracle I didn't die.
And my wife, she had a stroke in her eye that blinded her. A stroke through the eye instead of going to the head.
He said she should have been blinded for life.
that's what always happens.
But for some reason, the clot got through the eye and through the body and she has full eye sight again.
The doc called it a miracle.

So here we have 2 sick people who don't seem to ever get better, yet God is performing miracles in our lives and we are proclaiming these miracles every where we go.

I don't understand it all, but I keep going on.
Amen
 
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I think these are the same people who refuse to believe the enemy is real and he can and will try to destroy us whether we believe in God or not. People need to understand that the bible is black and white and has no gray areas. The bible states that by his stripes we are healed. It also says, no weapon for against me shall prosper. Yes, there are many people who are sick and have been for years that have yet to receive healing. Does that mean God can't heal them? No, but we also don't know why....God works on his people daily and there is a time and season for everything and it just isn't their time yet. I know of a lady who was diagnosed with an incurable disease and fought for years to get better. She continued holding onto her faith knowing one day she will be healed. She told me of people discouraging her that she would never get healed until one day she woke up and the symptoms were gone. This was God!!!! Another woman found out she couldn't have children and her and her husband prayed and prayed that God would guide her steps. One day they found out she was pregnant with twins. Let me say again just because we pray and don't see a result DOES NOT mean God won't heal us, it just means it isn't their time or season and should keep holding on to their faith :)
 

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Some people/groups are just like this because they are stuck in their belief of what they think is the extent of God's will. Yea, i have had many people try to argue with me and tell me otherwise.. I just let them speak. Most times its best just to let them go with their understanding because this is probably as far as they will go in their walk, and its pointless to even argue... just don't receive any of what they say because you will end up producing the same thing they have.
 

Magenta

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Well, I had a supposed Christian tell me last week that I had no right to determine what is true or what is not true. As a means of covering for their defense of error and heresy, the same person asks, who can say who is right? To me it just means they are not in possession of the truth. People say the darndest things, eh?
 
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That's surprising that people who say that they believe in God question His works,especially at this particular time.

For me it's kinda scary thinking about that because I have this notion that all of the nonbelievers will be driven crazy and turn against the believers.

There are many many people that don't truly believe in God yet they think that they do.
 
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I have to laugh at a lot of things I read here concerning "healing." But, sadly.

A woman is healed. And she is happy because the pain she has lived with for months, or even years, is now gone. Yet, should she make the mistake of mentioning it on this "supposedly" Christian forum, she is immediately assailed by any number of people making sure to let her know that it was not God.

Because, all these people seem to know that God is very limited and restricted in what He is allowed to do in the realm of healing. Anything less than bolts of lightening or maybe being struck from off the back of a horse cannot possibly be God working in your life. And, of course, the primary qualifying proof is that any of this has to be immediate.... despite the fact that Jesus, himself, took more than one quick shot to heal a man of blindness.

But, worse than this, is the equally fanatical crowd that seems to think God wants us to all drag around in at least "emotional" (but, preferably, PHYSICAL) pain and suffering until we are FINALLY healed after our deaths. It seem to almost be an act of blasphemy, in their estimation, for a Christian to express an extended period of time living in exaltation and joyfulness. That stuff is, PERHAPS, acceptable for a moment or two... and in the proper setting... and, of course, "righteously!"... but, don't you dare get a thrill out of riding a surfboard or even playing hop-scotch with the kids!

Does anyone here think I am being overly critical of a certain aspect of the church, or have some of you actually been victim to some of this treatment? And for those who really do this to other people...... May I ask "Why?" Do you think you are somehow saving them from damnation for believing God cares enough about them to relieve some suffering, here and now, while they are still alive?
i think on both sides of this theres potential damage. theres alot of top notch Christians who are able to give God glory through thier suffering, for instance My Mother has had ms over 20 years, inspires many many people because though her legs arent strong enough to walk, and she has other Health issues, she hasnt had a bad day since i remember always filed with Joy regardless of Her circumstance and lack of ability to do many things we take for granted. God has a purpose for thowe who have issues like that ive seen it several times.

Other times Healing brings Glory to God and witnesses as to His Power and provision in a different way. all things work together for the glory of God, sometimes Healing isnt His purpose and means at the time and for the person we want it to be. and He is able to demonstrate some of the most wonderful things, in those who arent healed in this life, yet carry a joy that few know who have great health. i believe we need to trust Him no matter the circumstance and do the things he has given us to do with the abilities we have been given
 
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Well, I had a supposed Christian tell me last week that I had no right to determine what is true or what is not true. As a means of covering for their defense of error and heresy, the same person asks, who can say who is right? To me it just means they are not in possession of the truth. People say the darndest things, eh?
I think one thing we have to remember is that when we say "This is right!", we often are not giving any room for anything else to also be right, and are thus, and in effect, saying "Everything other than THIS, is wrong."
 

Magenta

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I think one thing we have to remember is that when we say "This is right!", we often are not giving any room for anything else to also be right, and are thus, and in effect, saying "Everything other than THIS, is wrong."
The deception lies in the other person affecting an air as if we would be wrong to assume that they think they are right, when they darned well do, as much as any other. They say that as a cover for their defense of heresy and error. If they truly want to take the stand that nobody can determine truth for themselves, then they should shut up for the rest of their life to prove that they really believe what they say, in that they don't have a clue what is true. But that is not what they really believe. They really believe they are right and they try to shut down opposing positions with their pretenses. They are deceivers, and I most certainly DO have a right to determine that when someone has lied to me, that they are being dishonest.
 
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The deception lies in the other person affecting an air as if we would be wrong to assume that they think they are right, when they darned well do, as much as any other. They say that as a cover for their defense of heresy and error. If they truly want to take the stand that nobody can determine truth for themselves, then they should shut up for the rest of their life to prove that they really believe what they say, in that they don't have a clue what is true. But that is not what they really believe. They really believe they are right and they try to shut down opposing positions with their pretenses. They are deceivers, and I most certainly DO have a right to determine that when someone has lied to me, that they are being dishonest.
"Do not forsake the assembling of the Saints." (Make it a point to attend church)

"Care for the widows and orphans." (Help them during the time you have to do it.)

Unfortunately, you work six days a week. One man might say that attending church is "right." Ya gotta do it. Another, that church is far less important than helping the helpless. Forget going to church.

And we could each come up with three hundred more examples of SOMETHING from Scriptures. THIS is where I say it is dangerous to begin deciding for other people what is RIGHT for them. You can declare it for yourself, but NOT for them, in many cases.
 

Magenta

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"Do not forsake the assembling of the Saints." (Make it a point to attend church)

"Care for the widows and orphans." (Help them during the time you have to do it.)

Unfortunately, you work six days a week. One man might say that attending church is "right." Ya gotta do it. Another, that church is far less important than helping the helpless. Forget going to church.

And we could each come up with three hundred more examples of SOMETHING from Scriptures. THIS is where I say it is dangerous to begin deciding for other people what is RIGHT for them. You can declare it for yourself, but NOT for them, in many cases.
When did I say anything about deciding what is right for them? But, you know, if a person professes to hold a certain standard, I do want to see them at least try to live up to what they profess. But I am not telling them what is right for them. They have told me, and then when they turn around and do the opposite, they also complain when I point out their discrepancies and contradictions and in some cases, outright lies. Funny how much people will lie to you and then demand forgiveness when they have not repented of their evil. There's a whole lot of manipulation going on.
 
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Do you think you are somehow saving them from damnation for believing God cares enough about them to relieve some suffering, here and now, while they are still alive?
Only devils, and those listening to devils, would claim God does not heal and give someone a hard time if they receive healing.

I always blow off and ignore the nay sayers and scoffers and let them know that it's no problem for me if they reject that part of God's plan of salvation,

It's their choice to either believe what God says on this subject or not.


Christians who are able to give God glory through their suffering
Since Jesus has already taken their sickness upon Himself so they would not have to have it... God would get much more glory if they received healing.



when we say "This is right!", we often are not giving any room for anything else to also be right
When dealing with the Word of the Living God Who cannot lie... His Word is true, and all else is not.

This is how it is in God's Kingdom... He's right, nobody else is.

The smart ones agree with Him!
 
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When did I say anything about deciding what is right for them? But, you know, if a person professes to hold a certain standard, I do want to see them at least try to live up to what they profess. But I am not telling them what is right for them. They have told me, and then when they turn around and do the opposite, they also complain when I point out their discrepancies and contradictions and in some cases, outright lies. Funny how much people will lie to you and then demand forgiveness when they have not repented of their evil. There's a whole lot of manipulation going on.
Calm down. If I happen to use the generic word "you", you needn't take it as a personal assault.

You, (pardon me... "some people") work so hard at typing a post that only says "they" and "them", that it is almost impossible to decipher what "they" are trying to say in all the PC vagueness. LOL
 
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I have to laugh at a lot of things I read here concerning "healing." But, sadly.

A woman is healed. And she is happy because the pain she has lived with for months, or even years, is now gone. Yet, should she make the mistake of mentioning it on this "supposedly" Christian forum, she is immediately assailed by any number of people making sure to let her know that it was not God.

Because, all these people seem to know that God is very limited and restricted in what He is allowed to do in the realm of healing. Anything less than bolts of lightening or maybe being struck from off the back of a horse cannot possibly be God working in your life. And, of course, the primary qualifying proof is that any of this has to be immediate.... despite the fact that Jesus, himself, took more than one quick shot to heal a man of blindness.

But, worse than this, is the equally fanatical crowd that seems to think God wants us to all drag around in at least "emotional" (but, preferably, PHYSICAL) pain and suffering until we are FINALLY healed after our deaths. It seem to almost be an act of blasphemy, in their estimation, for a Christian to express an extended period of time living in exaltation and joyfulness. That stuff is, PERHAPS, acceptable for a moment or two... and in the proper setting... and, of course, "righteously!"... but, don't you dare get a thrill out of riding a surfboard or even playing hop-scotch with the kids!

Does anyone here think I am being overly critical of a certain aspect of the church, or have some of you actually been victim to some of this treatment? And for those who really do this to other people...... May I ask "Why?" Do you think you are somehow saving them from damnation for believing God cares enough about them to relieve some suffering, here and now, while they are still alive?
I'm not going to respond to this because you and I agreeing over something twice in one day may well bring about that lightning bolt hitting the back of the horse. lol
 

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So Willie, you don't think maybe God allows some of us to stay afflicted our entire lives so that we can become stronger in our faith and turn to Him more often?? I believe in healing as much as anyone, but not for myself.. And contrary to popular belief, God WON'T heal ALL of us in THIS lifetime.. Not in a one time shot anyhoo.
 

Magenta

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Calm down. If I happen to use the generic word "you", you needn't take it as a personal assault.

You, (pardon me... "some people") work so hard at typing a post that only says "they" and "them", that it is almost impossible to decipher what "they" are trying to say in all the PC vagueness. LOL
I did not take it as a personal assault; I have no reason to calm down.
 

AllenW

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The deception lies in the other person affecting an air as if we would be wrong to assume that they think they are right, when they darned well do, as much as any other. They say that as a cover for their defense of heresy and error. If they truly want to take the stand that nobody can determine truth for themselves, then they should shut up for the rest of their life to prove that they really believe what they say, in that they don't have a clue what is true. But that is not what they really believe. They really believe they are right and they try to shut down opposing positions with their pretenses. They are deceivers, and I most certainly DO have a right to determine that when someone has lied to me, that they are being dishonest.
You are complaining about this person, for more than what you admit.
If this person was really as bad as you say, then you shouldn't be afraid to name him/her.
Or is something this person says about you the truth and you don't want to face it?
Tell us more.
 
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I did not take it as a personal assault; I have no reason to calm down.
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Magenta,

if Willie tells you to 'calm-down', then you might want to consider the consequences!!!
:):eek:
 

AllenW

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Magenta,

if Willie tells you to 'calm-down', then you might want to consider the consequences!!!
:):eek:
Now I don't know if that was meant to be a joke or an insult.
Can you let me in on it?