Crisis? What Crisis?

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toinena

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Yes. I am guilty as charged. I listen to Supertramp........

Anyway.The reason why I post this is because of a woman entering the Biblestudy chatroom the other day, referring to the stages of grief or Cullberg's theory on crisis. Actually she told the room that she was entitled to be all "me, me, me" (my paraphrasing) because of that.

So, yes. We deal with our personal crisis differently, and some never seem to get out of the shock, reaction phase, constantly returning to denial and disbelief. How do we deal with people that seem to be stuck? Suffering is real. Sometimes I return to that state of disbelief and self pity, too. But how to break that pattern? It just doesn't lead to anything, but drives the person suffering and the people around crazy.

I have my tools, of course. I just start to praise and worship, and the focus on me and my suffering slowly shifts focus and I am once again in the bliss and joy of being close to Christ. But can that be applied to everyone? How do we show respect and compassion, when the only thing that comes to mind is "get over it!" and "move on!"?
 
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respect? .. ..that is earned .

compassion is God's job.
 
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Actually, it's everyone's job.
You really think so?

where were you when native American were being raped.

when black people were being thrown into forced labor?

we coulda used you THEN... but now?

the point is pretty much moot.
 
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Ugly

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You really think so?

where were you when native American were being raped.

when black people were being thrown into forced labor?

we coulda used you THEN... but now?

the point is pretty much moot.
That implies compassion is no longer needed. Totally stupid. I guess the children and women forced into international, billion dollar sex rings don't need compassion? That 7 year old girls are forced to have sex anywhere from 10-50 times a Day don't need compassion. Where are you?


And why is compassion only relegated to large groups? Jesus offered compassion to individuals as well.

Your idiocy is further reaching than I previously gave you credit for. The more you speak the more you reveal your true character. Not good for you.
 
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toinena

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Compassion is God's job? Where did you get that from? Mathew 25: 35-

35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
 

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You really think so?

where were you when native American were being raped.

when black people were being thrown into forced labor?

we coulda used you THEN... but now?

the point is pretty much moot.
There will never be a shortage of suffering in this world but there will always be compassion by those who, by the grace of God, chose to give it.

Where was I for 11 years taking care of my late sick wife, watching her die by degrees each day while also working full time to provide for her care and needs? Yeah, I was there. Compassion? I'm all set on that.

Despite this, while dealing with my own suffering at the time, any care and compassion I was able to offer flowed through me from God. My sole purpose for my marriage to her was to do my best with what God gave me to alleviate her pain and suffering. It came at a high personal cost but I did so willingly and did my best to show her the love of God.
 

Desertsrose

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Yes. I am guilty as charged. I listen to Supertramp........Anyway.The reason why I post this is because of a woman entering the Biblestudy chatroom the other day, referring to the stages of grief or Cullberg's theory on crisis. Actually she told the room that she was entitled to be all "me, me, me" (my paraphrasing) because of that. So, yes. We deal with our personal crisis differently, and some never seem to get out of the shock, reaction phase, constantly returning to denial and disbelief. How do we deal with people that seem to be stuck? Suffering is real. Sometimes I return to that state of disbelief and self pity, too. But how to break that pattern? It just doesn't lead to anything, but drives the person suffering and the people around crazy. I have my tools, of course. I just start to praise and worship, and the focus on me and my suffering slowly shifts focus and I am once again in the bliss and joy of being close to Christ. But can that be applied to everyone? How do we show respect and compassion, when the only thing that comes to mind is "get over it!" and "move on!"?
Hi toinena,


I don't know what supertramp is.


I looked up Cullberg's theory and couldn't find what that's all about either. What I can say about any theory though is that it's probably based off of humanism. It's man's way of dealing with life rather than what God says through His word.


The scriptures tell us how to deal with suffering and it's across the board for all. Suffering can come upon us by our own hand or it can happen without us having anything to do with it. It can be suffering for sharing the gospel of the kingdom or it can happen just because we're a Christian and the enemy wants to demonize us. (attack from without)


One of the things Peter said was to rejoice in out suffering. But we're human and we might do well one day and cave in the next. But truth is still truth and we will have peace, joy and victory when we keep our eyes on Jesus. When we rejoice, God empowers us through that to overcome the suffering and reap the benefits of what suffering brings.


We have weapons of warfare through the power of the Holy Spirit to carry out the battle and remain victorious ..... to overcome. And yeah, it's across the board.


The way we deal with suffering is with God, His power within us. How it looks may vary. As we pray we may be led to put on praise music, another might read scripture for strength to rejoice. Recalling the way God has worked in us through a different situation may help, crying and weeping through the struggle is another way to rejoice. Fellowshipping with others is a great way to rejoice and allowing the church to minister to your spirit is another. Some memorize scripture and that helps them, some write journals or poems to help them through. But they're all based on God's truth and not some philosophy outside of scripture. God's way is supernatural.


Rejoicing
1 Peter 1:6-9
In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, so that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which is perishable, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ; and though you have not seen Him, you love Him, and though you do not see Him now, but believe in Him, you greatly rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.


Resist the enemy
1 Peter 5:10
Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time, casting all your anxiety on Him, because He cares for you. Be of sober spirit, be on the alert. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. But resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experiences of suffering are being accomplished by your brethren who are in the world. After you have suffered for a little while, the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself perfect, confirm, strengthen and establish you. To Him be dominion forever and ever. Amen.


The way I can show compassion and respect is to remember the times I struggle. There are some days the pain is severe, or days where I'm weak and days where I'm a zombie for lack of sleep the previous night. When I remember how I feel during those times helps me to have compassion for others when they struggle, but I'll always share ideas with them on how to get through it God's way and to overcome the complaining.


It's unfortunate, but some would rather complain than listen. They seem to revel is misery. I think some people just can't be helped until they're ready. Some may eat a piece of their favorite cake or have ice cream to cheer them up. But those are only temporary. God's way is supernatural and surpasses understanding.


God says to cast our cares on Him because He does care for us. But sometimes we hang on to our misery. He says peace will be ours and will guard our hearts when we forgo worry and instead pray......petition Him for help. And peace will flood us like a river when we obey the scriptures to follow God's prescription.


There are scriptures all throughout the bible that can help us in our suffering.......if only we will reach out to God and receive His offer of help.
 
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AWESOME POST, DR..! full of wisdom and experience, TY...