The Purpose driven deception - documentary on Rick Warren

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Mooky

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This documentary is well worth your time - especially if you are in any way involved with the emerging church movement.
Don't skip through it because it is quite dense and you might miss out!

[video=youtube;jJkVvFfZpbQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJkVvFfZpbQ[/video]
 
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Ugly

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Didn't watch it. But i used to live in Southern California. My then gf tried his church... once. Refused to go back. I don't remember all the things she mentioned, but one that stood out to me was, halfway through his sermon, he Stopped, brought up some members to talk about their experience in 'Celebrate Recovery'. It's their 'therapy' groups. Heavily based in psychology. I'm not at all against psychology, either. I enjoy it, but the church as a whole is so heavily focused around it, it comes across as too much.
I've also heard of his ties to the Chrislam movement.
I remember when his book came out, some people in the apartment complex gave us copies and invited us to a 'bible study' group that was going to go through the entire book. At first we were excited. My gf read a couple chapters, and i never got through one, before we both decided we didn't like the book. We later started hearing more questionable things on him and were glad we never made it to the 'bible study'.
 

Magenta

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Hello Mooky :) I have watched 24 minutes, and must admit that a two hour long video is a bit much for me all at once :D:eek::D However, it is interesting to note that these mega churches are built specifically with the non believers in mind, and on that strength alone I would say that any discerning believer who unwittingly finds them self in such an institution would surely sense that something is a bit off in what is being presented. Having said that, though, I do also think/believe that such institutions serve a purpose in the overall scheme of things. Hopefully some of these non-believers that are drawn in will eventually feel the call on their life by God, and come out of them, as many Roman Catholics do the RCC.

Many reputable elders in the body of Christ do not condone such churches in any way at all, though. I have heard many negative things about so many different teachers, yet none of them are people I was "following" to begin with. Ugly mentioned the Celebrate Recovery model, which I do have some experience with, and it was very much Bible oriented, and yet I did not like that they developed their own Bible as an add on to working through the 12 steps, which they essentially took from Alcoholics Anonymous, and modified to be more Christ centered in the understanding of God. Many people do not realize that the purpose of the 12 step program, as developed by AA's founding members, is to restore one's relationship with God, and to develop a spiritual discipline that assists one in growing in and maintaining it. The steps and literature are based on Biblical principles that originated in the Oxford Group. That the 12 steps are constantly modified to fit the needs of people in today's western society cannot be a bad thing. People have to start where they are, and the twelve step model encourages people to look at their spiritual condition before a loving, just, and holy God.
 
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Mooky

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Thanks for your response , Magenta.Idid not know that about the 12 step programme.All I know is that Rick Warren is highly ecumenical and expounds a watered down gospel - if that.