Oh, what are you? Some kind of methiodest or something?
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I don't affiliate with any particulate denomination, in the UK many born again
Christian churches pretty much believe the same thing (with variances on the
way they worship). So it's easy to feel at home in any church. I currently attend a
Pentecostal church.
I know this surprises a lot of people in the US, but in my city the Pentecostal, baptist,
methodist, evangelical, Church of England churches. Often work together and do
fantatic things for Christ. They also share guest speakers and preach in each
other's churches. I'm not talking about ecumenicalism, they are all born again
bible believing churches.
The churches run food banks, teen challenge, street angels, take school assemblies,
organise tent crusades and town hall crusades, prison ministries, and many many other
things. There are regular minister conferences too.
Christian churches pretty much believe the same thing (with variances on the
way they worship). So it's easy to feel at home in any church. I currently attend a
Pentecostal church.
I know this surprises a lot of people in the US, but in my city the Pentecostal, baptist,
methodist, evangelical, Church of England churches. Often work together and do
fantatic things for Christ. They also share guest speakers and preach in each
other's churches. I'm not talking about ecumenicalism, they are all born again
bible believing churches.
The churches run food banks, teen challenge, street angels, take school assemblies,
organise tent crusades and town hall crusades, prison ministries, and many many other
things. There are regular minister conferences too.
I know all Pentecostals don't believe exactly the same and some are just plain crazy. But most Pentecostals I meet are pretty intelligent and true born again believers.
So my question is, do you believe all born again Christians speak in tounges? Do you believe Scripture is the authority on all doctrine and practice? And what about things like being slain in the spirit, drunk in the Spirit and new revelations?
So my question is, do you believe all born again Christians speak in tounges? Do you believe Scripture is the authority on all doctrine and practice? And what about things like being slain in the spirit, drunk in the Spirit and new revelations?
M
No I don't think all Christians speak in tongues. There are many gifts.
Scripture is God's final word on doctrine. Though in every day life, the Holy Spirit can give insight and
wisdom on day to day things. Like for example in 2015 my aunt wasn't herself. It wasn't something
I could pin point, but I just felt this absolute panic and urgent need to call an ambulance.
The paramedic responder came and asked what was wrong, I said I don't know she just
needs help. He looked at me as if I was stupid, as my aunt didn't look that ill.
Anyway he checked her vital signs and found her blood pressure was in her boots and her
heart was racing. Then in the next breathe he asked for an urgent ambulance with blue lights.
It turned out she had heart failure, her kidneys were failing, her lungs were filling up.
But she honestly didn't look that bad! I believe that was the prompting of the holy
spirit, if I hadn't listened she would have been dead. I could give many examples of
the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
I think the Holy Spirit does give instructions and insight, rather than new revelations.
He is teacher councillor guide etc. He opens up the scripture to us. He makes the penny
drop!
Slain in the spirit, it depends what you mean by that. On rare occasions I've seen
people fall under the power of God during Genuine encounters. One was during an engagement
party, we were praying with the bride and groom to be, suddenly in perfect synchrony,
they both fell backward. Well actually it wasn't even like a fall, they were literally
pushed off their feet! It was entirely different to the sudden wobble general falling over you
see on TV, they were also both completely unharmed.
Im sceptical though about what many refer to slain in the spirit and drunk in the spirit as
it can also be hysteria or people mimicking each other. The real deal though is definately
God. It's different to the "swooning" you see on TV programmes. I also don't like it when
pastors and speakers try to get a crowd hyped up. That's man made hype.
Ive experienced the power of the Holy Spirit several times but I've never fallen over.
But in my experience, people fall silent under the power of the Holy Spirit.
Now that I have experienced, an entire congregating of 1000 people just go completely
silent apart from sobbing here and there as the waves of His presence flood the church.
In Canada, Presbyterians fall under the United Church of Canada umbrella. The United Church of Canada is not what many would call Biblical at all. A practicing homosexual is the moderator of the church for the second time in a row. A United Church minister I know personally calls herself an agnostic, and the church was recently trying to oust an atheist minister, who promotes "diversity of belief" (look up Gretta Vosper). They consider themselves progressive, which apparently means throwing much of Scripture into question, or complete rejection. For instance, in 1997, the Church head denied Christ's resurrection.
You know some have called me Charismatic others have lined me up as Pentecostal some have said I may be partly baptist and others have lined me up as simply non denominational. But I am none of these things as even non denominational is itself a type of denomination.
If I am asked such a thing I say to them I am that I am I go by Christians yes but I do not fit into any one denomination and I despise how denominations have so greatly divided his body to such a vast extent, after all did Jesus himself not say how can a kingdom divided among itself stand?
As far as denominations go It is not my place to judge or to decide who is blind and who sees the truth I look to the heart not the place they are placed
If I am asked such a thing I say to them I am that I am I go by Christians yes but I do not fit into any one denomination and I despise how denominations have so greatly divided his body to such a vast extent, after all did Jesus himself not say how can a kingdom divided among itself stand?
As far as denominations go It is not my place to judge or to decide who is blind and who sees the truth I look to the heart not the place they are placed
The PCA is conservative, we believe homosexuality is a sinful abomination. If a someone says their agnostic then they're not a member and probably wouldn't want to be.
We have Presbyterians like that in America, the PCUSA.
The PCA and the OPC (Orodox Presbyterian church) both were part of the PCUSA at one time but broke ties due to their liberal beliefs.
The PCUSA condones homosexual marriage and abortions, they're pretty much just humanist who like the Bible.
We have Presbyterians like that in America, the PCUSA.
The PCA and the OPC (Orodox Presbyterian church) both were part of the PCUSA at one time but broke ties due to their liberal beliefs.
The PCUSA condones homosexual marriage and abortions, they're pretty much just humanist who like the Bible.
There's a lot that goes into why there's so many denominations, but there really isn't as much differences between many. Sometimes all it is is that one denomination rose up in one region while the same denomination rose up in another but just has a different name.
And truth is important, I don't think I could practice Roman Catholicism or Christian universalism, and it would be hard for me to call them brothers in Christ when they depart from the Gospel taught by the apostles.
And truth is important, I don't think I could practice Roman Catholicism or Christian universalism, and it would be hard for me to call them brothers in Christ when they depart from the Gospel taught by the apostles.
No I don't think all Christians speak in tongues. There are many gifts.
Scripture is God's final word on doctrine. Though in every day life, the Holy Spirit can give insight and
wisdom on day to day things. Like for example in 2015 my aunt wasn't herself. It wasn't something
I could pin point, but I just felt this absolute panic and urgent need to call an ambulance.
The paramedic responder came and asked what was wrong, I said I don't know she just
needs help. He looked at me as if I was stupid, as my aunt didn't look that ill.
Anyway he checked her vital signs and found her blood pressure was in her boots and her
heart was racing. Then in the next breathe he asked for an urgent ambulance with blue lights.
It turned out she had heart failure, her kidneys were failing, her lungs were filling up.
But she honestly didn't look that bad! I believe that was the prompting of the holy
spirit, if I hadn't listened she would have been dead. I could give many examples of
the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
I think the Holy Spirit does give instructions and insight, rather than new revelations.
He is teacher councillor guide etc. He opens up the scripture to us. He makes the penny
drop!
Slain in the spirit, it depends what you mean by that. On rare occasions I've seen
people fall under the power of God during Genuine encounters. One was during an engagement
party, we were praying with the bride and groom to be, suddenly in perfect synchrony,
they both fell backward. Well actually it wasn't even like a fall, they were literally
pushed off their feet! It was entirely different to the sudden wobble general falling over you
see on TV, they were also both completely unharmed.
Im sceptical though about what many refer to slain in the spirit and drunk in the spirit as
it can also be hysteria or people mimicking each other. The real deal though is definately
God. It's different to the "swooning" you see on TV programmes. I also don't like it when
pastors and speakers try to get a crowd hyped up. That's man made hype.
Ive experienced the power of the Holy Spirit several times but I've never fallen over.
But in my experience, people fall silent under the power of the Holy Spirit.
Now that I have experienced, an entire congregating of 1000 people just go completely
silent apart from sobbing here and there as the waves of His presence flood the church.
Scripture is God's final word on doctrine. Though in every day life, the Holy Spirit can give insight and
wisdom on day to day things. Like for example in 2015 my aunt wasn't herself. It wasn't something
I could pin point, but I just felt this absolute panic and urgent need to call an ambulance.
The paramedic responder came and asked what was wrong, I said I don't know she just
needs help. He looked at me as if I was stupid, as my aunt didn't look that ill.
Anyway he checked her vital signs and found her blood pressure was in her boots and her
heart was racing. Then in the next breathe he asked for an urgent ambulance with blue lights.
It turned out she had heart failure, her kidneys were failing, her lungs were filling up.
But she honestly didn't look that bad! I believe that was the prompting of the holy
spirit, if I hadn't listened she would have been dead. I could give many examples of
the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
I think the Holy Spirit does give instructions and insight, rather than new revelations.
He is teacher councillor guide etc. He opens up the scripture to us. He makes the penny
drop!
Slain in the spirit, it depends what you mean by that. On rare occasions I've seen
people fall under the power of God during Genuine encounters. One was during an engagement
party, we were praying with the bride and groom to be, suddenly in perfect synchrony,
they both fell backward. Well actually it wasn't even like a fall, they were literally
pushed off their feet! It was entirely different to the sudden wobble general falling over you
see on TV, they were also both completely unharmed.
Im sceptical though about what many refer to slain in the spirit and drunk in the spirit as
it can also be hysteria or people mimicking each other. The real deal though is definately
God. It's different to the "swooning" you see on TV programmes. I also don't like it when
pastors and speakers try to get a crowd hyped up. That's man made hype.
Ive experienced the power of the Holy Spirit several times but I've never fallen over.
But in my experience, people fall silent under the power of the Holy Spirit.
Now that I have experienced, an entire congregating of 1000 people just go completely
silent apart from sobbing here and there as the waves of His presence flood the church.
Grew up Catholic but haven't attended mass for years. My wife is an SDA and I have attended many services with her but haven't in the past year due to conflict with my work schedule. SDA is very much a bible believing denomination that preaches salvation by the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross for our sins.
As with all threads this could very well being a debate topic and but that's not always a bad thing if done in a respectful manner.
As with all threads this could very well being a debate topic and but that's not always a bad thing if done in a respectful manner.
Thank you for your clarifying response (not that I would have thought you were like the people I described ). The ordained minister that I know recently said that she does not believe that Jesus was sinless. The group I am familiar with rejects the Deity of Christ, pooh poohs the gospel of John (as well as much of what they call the theology of Paul), and does not believe that Christ died to take away the sin/s of the world. As a whole, yes, you are right in that they see themselves as progressive humanists, but I am not sure how much they really like the Bible, though they do study it, which is how I know them They do consider themselves Christian, even though they reject so much of Scripture. One of the elderly gentlemen in the group does not believe that God exists aside from a set of principles to live by. They are quite leftist/liberal in their politics, too, and pretty much the opposite of me haha, but I love them as people and continue meeting with them regularly despite all our differences, because it is one of the ways I study the Bible, since we take a critical and historical approach to looking at Scripture (as opposed to devotional, which I do also with my own church congregants in a different Bible study ), and have quite lively discussions about all manner of things that come up in our time together. The ordained minister also reads both Hebrew and Greek, and we read from multiple translations at the same time and compare and discuss the differences, which is another reason I enjoy the study
). The ordained minister that I know recently said that she does not believe that Jesus was sinless. The group I am familiar with rejects the Deity of Christ, pooh poohs the gospel of John (as well as much of what they call the theology of Paul), and does not believe that Christ died to take away the sin/s of the world. As a whole, yes, you are right in that they see themselves as progressive humanists, but I am not sure how much they really like the Bible, though they do study it, which is how I know them They do consider themselves Christian, even though they reject so much of Scripture. One of the elderly gentlemen in the group does not believe that God exists aside from a set of principles to live by. They are quite leftist/liberal in their politics, too, and pretty much the opposite of me haha, but I love them as people and continue meeting with them regularly despite all our differences, because it is one of the ways I study the Bible, since we take a critical and historical approach to looking at Scripture (as opposed to devotional, which I do also with my own church congregants in a different Bible study ), and have quite lively discussions about all manner of things that come up in our time together. The ordained minister also reads both Hebrew and Greek, and we read from multiple translations at the same time and compare and discuss the differences, which is another reason I enjoy the study