Does God judge nations today?

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Feb 7, 2015
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A lot of noise is made on this, and other, forums whenever a "natural" catastrophe strikes — anywhere in the world. It is immediately assumed that this was God meting out some of His avengement and wrath in judgment. But. I suspect the chastising judgement that comes our way happens more often along these lines that David Chilton suggests.

When God's goodness does not lead to repentance, He chastises. He sent judgments to our nation, to turn us from our sins — and as we felt our power eroding, we turned more and more toward sin as a means of strength. We allowed our rulers to lead us into wars, in order to achieve a supremacy that is denied to all but the obedient. We increasingly deified the state, ascribing to it creative powers, abandoning biblical standards in one area after another. We coveted goods, and got credit expansion; we wanted business booms, and the state provided them. Our demands increased, and the dominance of our new god was enlarged to keep up with them. And as our nation became enslaved, the Christians ran — some to the security of fundamentalist retreat, some to the comfort of liberal compromise, some to the heretical moderation of hovering somewhere in between. Every avenue was tried but the way of obedience.

And everything backfired. Our wars reduced our population; our foreign aid produced contempt and envy; our foreign policies generated revolutions abroad and riots at home; our welfare resulted in poverty and dependence; our economic booms terminated in racking depressions; our energy policies caused shortages; our evangelistic campaigns strewed a generation of "carnal Christians" across the land. And inflation accompanied it all. The Curse became a part of everyday life.

So we sought for new solutions, in a fruitless attempt to avoid the consequences of apostasy without repenting of sin. And our new solutions have bound us in chains stronger than those we had before. From national pride we have sunk into national guilt. We once bragged about God's blessings; we now feel ashamed of them. Our freedom has become an unstable anarchy; our stability has resulted in stagnation. I think God has judged.

 

JesusLives

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God does at time meet out punishments, but we also have to remember there is an enemy who wants to do nothing but destroy and cause chaos. He hates anyone who loves God and as we live in a world of sin there will be disasters and things that hurt good and bad people.

God is a God of love and He has done everything in His power to save us from sin and ourselves. We on the other hand try to blame God for things that happen to us when it really boils down to we have no one to thank but ourselves for the messes we end up in as we love sin and want to chase it. We reap what we sew.

God continues to love us and help us get through all sorts of problems. He doesn't sit up in heaven waiting on us to mess up so He can zap us. He speaks softly over and over to each one of us to make a choice to chose Him and come to Him and for us to allow Him to carry our burdens and rely on Him to give our hearts to Him so that He can heal and repair us and build us into the humans He wants us to be in harmony with Him and His love.
 
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Ever notice how much of "the wrath of God" was little more than Him letting the disbelieving people of that day simply continue on in their unbiblical ways until they reaped the repercussions of exactly the sin they were engaging in?
 
Feb 5, 2017
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Nazi Germany, The Roman Empire, and the United States of America use a very similar arrangement of the Eagle, wings spread as if being over/above everything, Authoritarian, wreath of peace, and lightning bolts of war, for their official emblem or seal, and had/have pretty much the same attitude about themselves compared to the rest of the world. Not requiring God because of their power. America has been in this process, much like The Roman Empire and I believe will end with the same fate. It even builds things in almost identical perfectionist ways as the Romans (compare maps of America compared to anywhere else).

As we all know, ultimate power corrupts. Nazi Germany became a corrupt power very quickly, but was overcome. The Roman Empire slowly crumbled from within, and ran out of money and was overcome. America still has the world fooled about how money grows on trees, but it is starting to crumble within. The great earthquake hasn't happened yet though, but I think this is coming to America rather than anywhere else in the world.






 
Feb 28, 2016
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what in the world would make Him STOP?!?!?!?
 
Mar 11, 2016
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I believe that God has already judged everything at the Cross.

What we are going through today are just consequences of our (mankind) own unbelief.

The wrath of God was only "for a moment" but His favour is for a lifetime.
 

Innerfire89

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My thoughts are not God's thoughts. Maybe God does use wild fires, storms, and economic failure to punish, or chastise. Or maybe God just allows sinners to destroy themselves with things like STDs, and the like and He's holding out on punishment till judgment day.
 
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I was listening to a sermon about Sodom and Gomorrah.

God would've spared them for 10 righteous people.

Surely there are more than 10 righteous people (saved, justified) in the nations of today.
 
Dec 12, 2013
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God is consistently the same...it is obvious that he judged nations, kingdoms and peoples all thru the O.T....He even mentioned the Amorites and how their cup was not yet full, but when it reached it's full capacity concerning sin that he would move against them and judge them. He also raised up nations to use as instruments of judgment and then would turn around and judge them for the violence they meeted out..such is the case with the Chaldeans/Babylonians as mentioned in Habakkuk....God also makes clear by Romans that the final straw that breaks the camel's back when it comes to being ripe for judgement is the acceptance of homosexuality which equates to a reprobate mind void of judgment and to expect nothing but judgment.

I am not saying that each and every event worldwide is the judgment of God because Solomon said time and chance happen unto all...at the same time I will not alleviate or say it is impossible or beyond reason because we do have biblical examples which prove that God does indeed judge all things....including nations, kingdoms and peoples.....