Strange Dream - Thoughts?

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FenceMan

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I don't put much thought to dreams or whether they have any meaning other than your own brain processing information while you sleep or recalling things from your past. However, my dreams are often far from average (judging by others' reactions when I tell them about it). I dream music with lyrics and instrumentation that I can write down after I wake up, I once dreamed a detailed story that was an illustration in my pastor's sermon the next morning, I once dreamed that Jesus appeared as I was about to sin and He showed me a book where he had all my sins listed with his signature next to every one as if he had taken the blame for them all, etc, etc.

All this to say, I try not to put much weight to dreams, but perhaps (maybe?) God actually uses them to speak to me sometimes? Maybe. Just sometimes.

Anyway, so that leads me to share a vivid dream I had a bit ago that has stuck with me. I'm curious for your reactions to it.

I dreamed that I was visiting a church that my family had attended ten years ago. We left due to a chronic neglect of the children's ministry and leaders who had their own agendas which were slowly killing the Body. In real life, this church (a very old historic building) is going up for sale because the congregation has finally all but died and they can't pay their debts anymore. It's pretty sad. They could have had an amazing ministry in that city, but they wasted the opportunity 100%...

So, in my dream, the church was preparing to sell the building and they were having a book sale to sell all the books in their old theological library, as well as historic documents from an archive room. I decided to go see if there was anything worth buying. The room where they were selling everything was in the basement of the church where I used to go to youth group meetings.

Everything was laid out on tables and as I looked through the items I found an old church bulletin and recognized my own writing and doodling on it! I opened it up, and inside was a list of people from the church I was apparently praying for, including the name of a girl I was in Sunday School with (I had forgotten all about her before this dream). I decided to keep it, since it was my own after all. Then I went to an adjoining room to look at the pricier archived books and historical church documents.

In that room I met a woman who used to lead the Sunday School programs during the time I was a kid. She told me sadly that the church had never recovered since a man in the congregation committed suicide. She said his name was Mr. Main. She thought I should remember it, but I said it was probably when my family had just begun attending there.

As I talked to her, my attention was caught by a portable coat rack in the room. It didn't have any hangers on it, and the top bar was covered in ice which was shaped into the heads of different animals. There was a giraffe, a dog, and others I don't remember. It seemed to me that the animals represented church leaders who had once hung their coats there.

I was just about to tell the lady about a suicide at my current church when suddenly she froze in place and put her ear to the wall like she heard something. Immediately, the floor began to shake and it was getting increasingly stronger. There were two little kids in the room - a boy and a girl. I grabbed the girl and the woman grabbed the boy. I hid with the little girl under a desk while the "earthquake" continued. In my mind's eye I saw a map of the US and Canada and the destruction from this earthquake was very widespread in both countries.

However, soon it went away and nothing in the room was even damaged at all, though we were still very shaken. The woman seemed panicky, though, and said "I swear I heard screaming out there just before it started!" Meaning on the other side of the wall. But we were in the basement, and on the other side was only dirt... I was beginning to feel very creepy.

Just then, we all heard a ghostly scream echo through the church! I realized that we were also suddenly the only people there when before the basement had been full of people looking at books. Rapid footsteps began coming down a stairway from the floor above as the "thing" was running toward the room we were in! I ran out into a hallway and in the opposite direction hoping to find an exit door to the outside, while the scream continued echoing behind me and was gaining ground quickly...

Then I woke up.

So maybe that's all just entertaining to you read, but any thoughts other than "How much pizza did you have before you went to bed?" :D
 

Blain

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Hi fenceman:) I think you don't give your gift enough credit, yes everyone has dreams and yes lots of things can affect our dreams but the ones you have spoken about here are not ordinary dreams they are very much God given. the dream with the earthquake is actually one that has been in many of God's childrens dreams and revelation even speaks of a terrible quake. to be honest right now I don't know the meaning of the dream but what I do know is that this is one you need to pay attention because it is a message from God like a cryptic letter that is to be deciphered
 
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heartofdavid

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since the dream is a parallel to real events,it is probably filling in some missing pieces.

But the death of a fellowship would naturally be a playground for demons.
 

CherieR

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It definitely is pretty vivid. It sounds like a nightmare to me. I don't know if whether or not God would give a scary dream like that... Maybe tell a pastor about it or a mature Christian you know. Maybe you could pray for the people on that list in your dream...
 

blue_ladybug

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I only ever have stupid dreams.. :/
 
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I always dream like I'm being raped or something is raping me I have so many of those dreams they freak me out y lie...I always scream n shout n I'm woken up but I always feel ashamed wen asked what I was dreaming about so I just keep them...it's so weird
 

stonesoffire

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I always dream like I'm being raped or something is raping me I have so many of those dreams they freak me out y lie...I always scream n shout n I'm woken up but I always feel ashamed wen asked what I was dreaming about so I just keep them...it's so weird
Grock, you shouldn't feel ashamed, but you do need prayer over yourself. It would be best to tell your pastor. I would like to know if you do, and if they stop. Am concerned.
 

stonesoffire

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Fenceman, I agree with Blain. This is a prophetic dream. I do know that the ice represents a formal religious spirit. Animals have certain characteristics that in dreams can show what is in the hearts of people.

You being the pastors son, could be a prophet in the making. But, being prophetic too, one will receive dreams and visions. Can be a help then to prophets, teachers, pastors, etc.

Theres a lot in this dream to seek the Lord about. He will let you know. What I've found is that the things we see can be symbolic of what we are familiar with in our life.

Ive used this one before....if I dream of a purse, It's about identifying with the Lord in some way. That's how it works for me. Keep Jesus central in your seeking. Not self. You won't go wrong then.
 

Blain

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I always dream like I'm being raped or something is raping me I have so many of those dreams they freak me out y lie...I always scream n shout n I'm woken up but I always feel ashamed wen asked what I was dreaming about so I just keep them...it's so weird
Grock have you been violated in your past? or do you have a fear of it? I think you keep having these dreams because the enemy knows about this and is using it to attack you. even if neither of them is true is it is clear these are spiritual attacks and you need help. Both God and the devil can use dreams and if you are continuing to receive these dreams then you need help to be free of them, do you have a pastor or a friend who can help you?

Also something I have noticed when I have been attacked in dreams is that they cannot stand the name Jesus sometimes I can banish them in his name and sometimes I struggle just to simply say his name but even if I have to say his name two or three times they always run away
 
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FenceMan

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Thanks for your thoughts, Blain! Could you point me to some similar dreams you've read from other believers?

I want to be careful not to read into to it too much. I've met many Christians who come up with all kinds of wild ideas about the end times from one tiny little piece of Scripture, when the proof for their ideas is very much lacking. I don't know for sure there is a meaning to this dream or not, so I don't want to try to interpret it on my own. But I definitely should seek God's guidance and the insight of the Spirit to discover if there's something more to it.

As an added detail, in my dream I knew the earthquake began in Terre Haute, Indiana which is very far from the church where we were (the Northeast coast). I've never been to Terre Haute or anywhere near it... Also, I knew that the scream and the earthquake were connected. Somehow the thing that was coming for us also caused the earthquake.

It's all really weird... :confused:
 
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FenceMan

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since the dream is a parallel to real events,it is probably filling in some missing pieces.

But the death of a fellowship would naturally be a playground for demons.
You make an interesting point. Actually, while this church was still functioning there was talk of a shadow of a man that would appear in different places in the building and certain church members had talked to "him" more than once. He had a name, but I forget what it was. "He" apparently had been around for a long time and the elderly members were well acquainted with him... Something was definitely wrong with that! :(
 
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Having been a vivid dreamer myself, although not for a while, I always say, observe the missing link. Most people observe what is in the dream, not what is missing, or is the odd-thing-out, or is 'distracted from'. I could give an example but that would be too long, but along the lines of, for example: I had a dream, I was in a restaurant I used to go with my family, but in the dream, my cousin was there, or everyone was there except my mother who was always there. Or, in my dream I picked up a book that I knew was mine, but in real life it wasn't. Those are just examples, but usually a dream is about that which is not paid attention to, while there are fireworks. And also, point of change, eg. you were just about to tell the lady about a suicide at your church, and then fireworks.

Because our minds are so creative in the translation of things (from dream to waking mind), we often miss the silent details, for the loud ones.

It's the most vague, small details which count, rather than the colours and action.
 
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FenceMan

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Fenceman, I agree with Blain. This is a prophetic dream. I do know that the ice represents a formal religious spirit. Animals have certain characteristics that in dreams can show what is in the hearts of people.

You being the pastors son, could be a prophet in the making. But, being prophetic too, one will receive dreams and visions. Can be a help then to prophets, teachers, pastors, etc.

Theres a lot in this dream to seek the Lord about. He will let you know. What I've found is that the things we see can be symbolic of what we are familiar with in our life.

Ive used this one before....if I dream of a purse, It's about identifying with the Lord in some way. That's how it works for me. Keep Jesus central in your seeking. Not self. You won't go wrong then.
Thanks, stonesoffire! I'm not the pastor's son, though! :) No relation whatsoever and I never told him about it.

I agree with dreams having symbolism even just for every day matters - not necessarily prophetic in any way. I guess that's how our brains work - with symbolism and analogies.

As far as me having the gift of prophecy, it is possible if you take that to mean giving clear insight from the Spirit into a specific situation. I've noticed that in myself. Sometimes the advice I try to give seems so normal, yet others are amazed at the wisdom in my words. Judging from my own dumb decisions, it couldn't be my wisdom they're hearing! :)

I want to pursue an even closer relationship with Jesus. Perhaps if I do that He will use this gift, if it's real, in even greater ways.
 
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it is obvious that the OP + were in a cult and definitely abused to the utmost!!!

may our Holy Saviour release them by this confession and give them
the Peace of God, which passes all understanding'...
 
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FenceMan

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Having been a vivid dreamer myself, although not for a while, I always say, observe the missing link. Most people observe what is in the dream, not what is missing, or is the odd-thing-out, or is 'distracted from'. I could give an example but that would be too long, but along the lines of, for example: I had a dream, I was in a restaurant I used to go with my family, but in the dream, my cousin was there, or everyone was there except my mother who was always there. Or, in my dream I picked up a book that I knew was mine, but in real life it wasn't. Those are just examples, but usually a dream is about that which is not paid attention to, while there are fireworks. And also, point of change, eg. you were just about to tell the lady about a suicide at your church, and then fireworks.

Because our minds are so creative in the translation of things (from dream to waking mind), we often miss the silent details, for the loud ones.

It's the most vague, small details which count, rather than the colours and action.
Interesting. So you are saying that the key point to a dream like this could be the little thing that isn't noticed. So, the suicide at my church (or the coincidence of a suicide at both churches) could be the whole point to the dream? Perhaps it is the suicide of a Christian that led to my former church's spiritual death somehow and could have the same future effect on my current church? In all honesty, things are following a similar pattern so far... Hmmm.

So as far as vague silent details...

1). In the church bulletin all the people's names I had written down had checkmarks next to them.
2). The girl I was in Sunday School with, I had spelled her last name like it was French which it isn't in real life
3). I suddenly had my Bible with me after I found the bulletin and I folded the bulletin inside-out (with the inside showing) and stuck it into my Bible trying to hide it for some reason
4). The room where all the tables and books were set up was the same layout as where they had the youth "game room" in real life, but instead it was located where the youth "meeting room" was supposed to be
5). The bulletin I found was in a yellow envelope which included other random church papers
6). The computer desk I hid under with the little girl was the same as one in my parents' house
7). I never saw the children enter the room
8). I don't know where the lady and the little boy hid during the earthquake
9). There was a window well in the second room (the window was half below ground level)
10). The ice on the coat rack seemed unusually iridescent and also went half way down the frame - the animals heads were on top

Anyway...I think the suicide thing is probably central.
 
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FenceMan

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it is obvious that the OP + were in a cult and definitely abused to the utmost!!!

may our Holy Saviour release them by this confession and give them
the Peace of God, which passes all understanding'...
No, not really... But thank you for your concern and prayers. Are you referring just to Grock? Because her dreams are pretty concerning, I will admit. Your mind could come up with this once in a while maybe, but all the time? There's something definitely wrong either currently or in the past.

I know a man in his fifties who still frequently wakes up at night yelling at his dad. In his case, it's definitely related to the abuse he suffered as a child.
 

Blain

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Thanks for your thoughts, Blain! Could you point me to some similar dreams you've read from other believers?

I want to be careful not to read into to it too much. I've met many Christians who come up with all kinds of wild ideas about the end times from one tiny little piece of Scripture, when the proof for their ideas is very much lacking. I don't know for sure there is a meaning to this dream or not, so I don't want to try to interpret it on my own. But I definitely should seek God's guidance and the insight of the Spirit to discover if there's something more to it.

As an added detail, in my dream I knew the earthquake began in Terre Haute, Indiana which is very far from the church where we were (the Northeast coast). I've never been to Terre Haute or anywhere near it... Also, I knew that the scream and the earthquake were connected. Somehow the thing that was coming for us also caused the earthquake.

It's all really weird... :confused:
Well there used to be a Christian dream forum I was in a few years ago but it died out and that is where I read most of the dreams from others about the earthquakes but while I no longer do so after that forum died out I saw many on youtube who had dreams about these things many of the earthquakes in their dreams caused the united states to split into pieces.
Also about that shadow man i have encountered those kind of things many times and the fact that the people spoke to him is not good. The bible says that when the end is near there will be great quakes in diverse places and while I have not had any dreams of earthquakes I do know that your dream is very prophetic even though I do not really understand it.

The thing with prophetic dreams is that sometimes they just click and you understand what the meaning is other times it may take a long time for the meaning to be known and other times still the meaning is only known by others being able to tell you what it is. But one thing is for and that is you have the gift of prophecy
 

Blain

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No, not really... But thank you for your concern and prayers. Are you referring just to Grock? Because her dreams are pretty concerning, I will admit. Your mind could come up with this once in a while maybe, but all the time? There's something definitely wrong either currently or in the past.

I know a man in his fifties who still frequently wakes up at night yelling at his dad. In his case, it's definitely related to the abuse he suffered as a child.
ya I think he was meaning Grock.
 
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FenceMan

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Well there used to be a Christian dream forum I was in a few years ago but it died out and that is where I read most of the dreams from others about the earthquakes but while I no longer do so after that forum died out I saw many on youtube who had dreams about these things many of the earthquakes in their dreams caused the united states to split into pieces.
Also about that shadow man i have encountered those kind of things many times and the fact that the people spoke to him is not good. The bible says that when the end is near there will be great quakes in diverse places and while I have not had any dreams of earthquakes I do know that your dream is very prophetic even though I do not really understand it.

The thing with prophetic dreams is that sometimes they just click and you understand what the meaning is other times it may take a long time for the meaning to be known and other times still the meaning is only known by others being able to tell you what it is. But one thing is for and that is you have the gift of prophecy
I've never witnessed anything like that shadow man in broad daylight, thank goodness. Though recently I was startled awake by what looked like a dark shadow flying right through my bedroom door and across the room. My curtains were closed and I had no light on that would make a shadow... I just went back to sleep! I know I have the Creator of the universe watching over me, so who cares? :)

Yes, for church members to actually talk to this shadow and learn his name... Not good. I'm not sure what Satan's purpose for things like that are, really, but there's no good reason to engage it. We are told to test the spirits, however, so I guess at the very most these members could have asked it who sent it and why it was there... and then told it to leave. But I got the impression they were sort of proud of it/him, as if he was part of the history of the place.

Anyway... that's a bit off topic.