31 SIGNS YOU MIGHT BE APOSTATE (Check your spiritual pulse.)

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The indictment and outrage that the Lord has against most of His saints today is that they KNOW that what they are doing (or are not doing as they should be) is wrong, but they are justifying what they are doing to themselves, refusing to listen to His correction and avoiding conviction by all means, whether by hardening themselves against the voice and promptings of His Spirit, or by picking and choosing what they read in His Word to suit themselves, or by gathering to themselves---intentionally---teachers who will tell them what they want to hear, and despising or ignoring the chastening of the Lord.

The Bible refers to the time preceding the revealing of the antichrist as the REBELLION (both in Daniel and in 2 Thessalonians)---of Christians (not unsaved people)---because, just like in the time of Jeremiah and Ezekiel and the other old testament prophets, the prevailing spirit of His people in this time is a spirit of defiance, indifference, and stubbornness.

This is not a time of Christians merely making mistakes and being ignorant; they know what the word of God says and they do not put up with it. They twist it and defy it, or just refuse to read it.

And their ignorance about many things is a result of them not applying what they DO know so that God might add to their understanding of things they need to know, as well as a result of their not seeking for understanding (because they are busy doing other things they deem more important---like having fun or making more money.)

They do know (or could know and should know) what God wants them to do and what He commands them to do---as do/could their pastors---but they do not do it. Because they love themselves, and money, and pleasure, etc., just as the Scriptures declare that Christians will in the last days, when the love of most grows cold.

The most horrible thing about this is that they have the grace of God available to them to obey Him, all day long, day after day, and they are squandering it, and forcing Jesus Christ---who died to give them that grace, and to whom they belong---to endure their sins, as His name is blasphemed by the unsaved because of the evil, irreverent and foolish behavior of apostate Christians. Do you have any idea how angry and sad that makes our Lord? (Most Christians don't. And they don't even care. WRETCHED.)

And they won't be able to blame their pastors for their rebellion, because they choose to listen to them over the word of God. The pastors will be judged for sure (remember Jesus' warning about the one who causes one of His little ones to sin being better off having a millstone hanged around his neck and drowned in the sea? And the warning in James to those who teach doctrine?); but so will those who listen to their pastors instead of God.

We all have His Word; we can read it. We all have His Spirit; we can listen to Him. So there is no excuse.

An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land:
the prophets prophesy falsely,
and the priests rule by their own authority;
AND MY PEOPLE LOVE IT SO...

(Jeremiah 5:30,31)

For they are a rebellious people, lying children,
children unwilling to hear the instruction of the LORD;
who say to the seers, "Do not see,"
and to the prophets, "Do not prophesy to us what is right;
speak to us smooth things, prophesy illusions,
leave the way, turn aside from the path,
let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel."
(Isaiah 30:9-11)

This is the prevailing spirit of the times among Christians.

What Jesus said about those who do evil not coming to the light for fear of their sins being exposed is not only true of the unsaved; Christians who are willfully sinning run from Him too. They run from His word, they run from His prophets, they try to muffle His Spirit. They don't want to be convicted because their hearts are set on themselves. They know they're doing wrong and they feel guilty, but they aren't penitent. They just want to get away from the discomfort of their conviction because they've already decided to keep doing what they're doing.

They want to talk about Jesus, do things "for Him", wear Him on their clothes and jewelry (the irony), but they don't really want Jesus. They really want to do what they want to do; and they don't want Jesus to interfere. All their Christian flair and bric-a-brac, Christian activities, and empty talk is fig-leaves. God sees right through it, and will judge them accordingly.

(And they wonder why I don't have anything good to say to most of them. I wish I did. But these are not good times, just as Jeremiah's times were not good times. They are spiritually PERILOUS times. How many good things did God have to say to His people in the time of Jeremiah---the last prophet before God brought the judgment He'd been declaring for years through His messengers to pass and His people were vomited out of their inheritance?)

God's people don't need to hear any more sweet nothings; they have plenty of people to tell them such things. They need to hear the truth for their own good, even if they don't want it (which most of them do not). And the truth is that those who are compromising what they know to do and those who are rebelling against God need to repent, now.

THAT is what the Lord is saying to the majority of His people and what they need to hear---NOT jokes, cute anecdotes, lying visions, and God's promises without His conditions.
 
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Lynx

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In all that long post you never answered my question so I will ask it again... why do you keep assuming people are getting offended?
 
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There's more hope for a man who feels indignant or uncomfortable about the points and position of this thread because he is convicted by it (if he needs to be) than there is for a man who scoffs or feels nothing, or who thinks that it's nonsense.
 

gb9

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There's more hope for a man who feels indignant or uncomfortable about the points and position of this thread because he is convicted by it (if he needs to be) than there is for a man who scoffs or feels nothing, or who thinks that it's nonsense.
well, i don't think it's nonsense, but i do think it better to dialogue than lecture.
 
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well, i don't think it's nonsense, but i do think it better to dialogue than lecture.

What is there to dialogue about with regard to the things I stated?

And haven't I been responding to other people's posts on this thread as they been have to mine?
 

Lynx

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There's more hope for a man who feels indignant or uncomfortable about the points and position of this thread because he is convicted by it (if he needs to be) than there is for a man who scoffs or feels nothing, or who thinks that it's nonsense.
So you are assuming people are offended because... you hope they are?

"A dog that walks around will find a stick." If you go out looking for arguments you will find them. But this is not a good place for haranguing people. That's what the Bible Discussion Forum is for.
 

Lynx

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You're offended that no one is offended.
I take offense at that! Are you saying I can't be offended? I'll have you know I can be just as offended as anybody else! :mad:
 

preacher4truth

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I take offense at that! Are you saying I can't be offended? I'll have you know I can be just as offended as anybody else! :mad:
To be honest, you generally are offended about people taking a stance on Biblical doctrine, then go off on a tirade. But I still love ya man! :D
 

PennEd

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There's more hope for a man who feels indignant or uncomfortable about the points and position of this thread because he is convicted by it (if he needs to be) than there is for a man who scoffs or feels nothing, or who thinks that it's nonsense.
Man! You really think you're all that and a bag of chips!

You are loved. God loves you. You don't have to keep trying to earn His love. How about a little love to your brothers and sidters?
Believe me. We are more concerned with YOUR heart, than the dire warnings of condemnation you attempt to cast on our heads.
 

gb9

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What is there to dialogue about with regard to the things I stated?

And haven't I been responding to other people's posts on this thread as they been have to mine?
o.k, so you have all the answers, and you are here to lecture and preach to us rebels ( who you do not know anything about, but you act like you do).

ever here of judge not, and you shall not be judged?
 
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Man! You really think you're all that and a bag of chips!

You are loved. God loves you. You don't have to keep trying to earn His love. How about a little love to your brothers and sidters?
Believe me. We are more concerned with YOUR heart, than the dire warnings of condemnation you attempt to cast on our heads.
Either what I have said is true or it isn't. I suggest---as I have suggested to you before---that you make that your concern, as you have no way of knowing what I think of myself or whether I am doing what I am doing in love and by faith or for some other reason. I have explained my reasons well enough for anyone to know them, and not everyone is as convinced as yourself about my character, or as unconvinced as yourself about the things I have shared. (God knows the truth about me, and it's His judgments about me that I'm concerned about, not other people's).

(Perhaps you should speak for yourself, and let others do the same.)

God loves us very much, but most Christians don't love Him. That is the problem, which I've already explained to you, and others. It's not because of God's lack of love for us that most Christians are about to be overthrown, but because of their lack of love for Him.

(I explained these things to you enough in the We Are In The Midst Of The Falling Away/Rebellion thread that I don't need to do it again here.)

Do you love God, brother? By His definition of what love for Him is, not your own. Is your conscience toward Him clear? Are you looking forward to death or are you fearful of it?

(Take these questions to the Lord for yourself; don't answer me. You need to know the answers for yourself, not me.)




 

PennEd

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Either what I have said is true or it isn't. I suggest---as I have suggested to you before---that you make that your concern, as you have no way of knowing what I think of myself or whether I am doing what I am doing in love and by faith or for some other reason. I have explained my reasons well enough for anyone to know them, and not everyone is as convinced as yourself about my character, or as unconvinced as yourself about the things I have shared. (God knows the truth about me, and it's His judgments about me that I'm concerned about, not other people's).

(Perhaps you should speak for yourself, and let others do the same.)

God loves us very much, but most Christians don't love Him. That is the problem, which I've already explained to you, and others. It's not because of God's lack of love for us that most Christians are about to be overthrown, but because of their lack of love for Him.

(I explained these things to you enough in the We Are In The Midst Of The Falling Away/Rebellion thread that I don't need to do it again here.)

Do you love God, brother? By His definition of what love for Him is, not your own. Is your conscience toward Him clear? Are you looking forward to death or are you fearful of it?

(Take these questions to the Lord for yourself; don't answer me. You need to know the answers for yourself, not me.)




What I see is a sister stumbling. One who thinks her purpose as Christian is to accuse the Brethren.
You DO know who's job it is to accuse the Brethren right? And he doesn't love or have our best interests at heart.

Our job as Christians is to make MORE Christians. Being used of God to make eternal differences to the lost.

We need to preach the Gospel through words and actions in love, pray for people, and love them in word, heart, and deed.
Once they are born again, and sealed with the Holy Spirit, HE will reveal to their new heart changes they need to make.
True love casts out all fear, because fear is wrapped up in condemnation.
Giving people fear through condemnation is NOT of God.
Please start a thread that expresses the love you have for your brothers and sisters in Christ, NOT the condemnation they have in Him.
 
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Apparently being a Christian and being saved should be easy peasy. And saying you are already one of the elite going to heaven is a matter of just stating firmly that you have a golden ticket (and THEM them and them don't). It's like you can break one law and you don't break all of them. Reminds me of something I read somewhere.

LightsShineInTheDarkness I think your intent is well-meaning, don't let anyone defile that (try to poison your view of yourself and distort the purity of what you are trying to say).

If someone informs you (without informing you) let me have the last word, let them have the last word. Right at the beginning. No need to waste energy in pointless chatter.

It is hard accepting different or opposite views. But accepting each other as being allowed to have our own views - that is love, that is loving other people. That's the tricky part, until we press the stop button and observe what is actually going on.
 
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(Perhaps you should speak for yourself,
and let others do the same.)

God loves us very much,
but most Christians don't love Him. That is the problem, which I've already explained to you, and others. It's not because of God's lack of love for us that most Christians are about to be overthrown, but because of their lack of love for Him.
What happened to "let others do the same" (speak for themselves) :confused:. Or did "operating in the prophetic" give you this heads up :confused:.
 
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o.k, so you have all the answers, and you are here to lecture and preach to us rebels ( who you do not know anything about, but you act like you do).

ever here of judge not, and you shall not be judged?

Who have I passed judgment on personally? I've been personally judged by others on this thread and on another, but I have not judged (condemned) anyone personally. I have generally condemned the behavior and spirit of many Christians in the times in which we are living, as the Bible itself does, and warned of God's forthcoming judgment on Christians who are in rebellion against Him and who refuse to repent, which the Bible also does. A rebuke does not rest where it is not deserved, and I do not know who it applies to personally here. It is a general warning.

Either what I have said is true or it isn't. If you're convinced that it isn't, why not go your way? If it is true and applicable to you, do whatever you need to do about it. If you're not sure whether it is or whether it isn't, take it to the Lord with clean hands and a good conscience toward Him and ask Him to show you. What's the problem?

You called yourself (and other people on this thread) "rebels", a judgment I never made of you or of anyone else. I certainly hope that that isn't true, and I don't know the Lord's judgment of you personally. Hopefully you know it for yourself.

If the things I've been saying on this thread don't apply to you, don't worry about them. If they do, do something about it. I don't need to know whether they do or whether they don't.

If your conscience toward God truly is clear and you're doing everything you know He wants you to do and have peace with Him, there's no reason to take issue with what I've been saying, which agrees with the things that the Scriptures themselves say about the condition of the majority of saints in the last days.

(You can refer to the questions I asked PennEd in my last post.)

As for acting as though I know everyone on this thread or me thinking that I know everything, that is your opinion, impression, and assumption, which you are entitled to, but it is not true.

(And "Judge not lest ye be judged" concerns hypocrisy, not making certain kinds of judgments about other people, which is appropriate to do in some cases. The Bible teaches us to make judgments about people for various reasons, but not to be hypocrites, or to condemn when it is not in our authority to do so.)


 
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What I see is a sister stumbling. One who thinks her purpose as Christian is to accuse the Brethren.
You DO know who's job it is to accuse the Brethren right? And he doesn't love or have our best interests at heart.

Our job as Christians is to make MORE Christians. Being used of God to make eternal differences to the lost.

We need to preach the Gospel through words and actions in love, pray for people, and love them in word, heart, and deed.
Once they are born again, and sealed with the Holy Spirit, HE will reveal to their new heart changes they need to make.
True love casts out all fear, because fear is wrapped up in condemnation.
Giving people fear through condemnation is NOT of God.
Please start a thread that expresses the love you have for your brothers and sisters in Christ, NOT the condemnation they have in Him.
Brother, I could reply to this but I don't believe it would make any difference, so I'm not going to. I've already addressed all of these things before; I'm weary of doing so again. May the Lord give you what you need of Him.