Is it OK to lie?
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Well, I'll try to go farther, and address the actual Commandment.
Does anyone here think it said not to never tell something that was not true? Of course not. If I asked any one of us (myself included) to physically describe other posters here who are brave enough to post their pictures........ do you think I would get descriptions that are strictly the truth? Of course not.
So. I think we can all say that Commandment does not address always speaking pure, hard truth.
That's the first thing. The second is that the Commandment tells us not to do "something" AGAINST OUR NEIGHBOR.
So, that must be something that would wrongly do my neighbor harm in some way.
What I get from that is that if telling a person intent upon harming my neighbor something untrue, that will send him on down the road, thus protecting my neighbor, (not aiding in bringing harm to him), then I think THAT is what God would expect me to do.
If (and I know some will quickly go here) it is a court case, then if telling the truth will harm my neighbor, I would assume that he has done something wrong, and it wouldn't be harming him to state what I know to be true... in truth, he has already harmed himself by doing wrong..... if he has.
Does anyone here think it said not to never tell something that was not true? Of course not. If I asked any one of us (myself included) to physically describe other posters here who are brave enough to post their pictures........ do you think I would get descriptions that are strictly the truth? Of course not.
So. I think we can all say that Commandment does not address always speaking pure, hard truth.
That's the first thing. The second is that the Commandment tells us not to do "something" AGAINST OUR NEIGHBOR.
So, that must be something that would wrongly do my neighbor harm in some way.
What I get from that is that if telling a person intent upon harming my neighbor something untrue, that will send him on down the road, thus protecting my neighbor, (not aiding in bringing harm to him), then I think THAT is what God would expect me to do.
If (and I know some will quickly go here) it is a court case, then if telling the truth will harm my neighbor, I would assume that he has done something wrong, and it wouldn't be harming him to state what I know to be true... in truth, he has already harmed himself by doing wrong..... if he has.
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Being who I am, maybe a little autistic, I find it hard not to be honest. While it sometimes gets me into trouble, I still feel it is right, in the face of people thinking that you should white lie here and white lie there.
I think the truth helps people, and it helps yourself, as hard as it can be to hear. But I think white lies help people feel comfortable. Sympathy is easy, empathy is everything but requires facing the fear of being judged for being honest to others, and yourself. People who need white lies, to feel comfortable, never tend to break out of that need.
You can be troubled for all your life, but psychologically find a way to feel comfortable with it, but I prefer to find the keys. People who need white lies, and convince themselves with them, remove the lock from the door. This is why it can be so hard, if not impossible to help these type of people.
Someone who has removed the lock from the door, often finds it hard to ever admit they did or said anything wrong because it means admitting that what they said or did, was based on a lie they told themselves.
I think the truth helps people, and it helps yourself, as hard as it can be to hear. But I think white lies help people feel comfortable. Sympathy is easy, empathy is everything but requires facing the fear of being judged for being honest to others, and yourself. People who need white lies, to feel comfortable, never tend to break out of that need.
You can be troubled for all your life, but psychologically find a way to feel comfortable with it, but I prefer to find the keys. People who need white lies, and convince themselves with them, remove the lock from the door. This is why it can be so hard, if not impossible to help these type of people.
Someone who has removed the lock from the door, often finds it hard to ever admit they did or said anything wrong because it means admitting that what they said or did, was based on a lie they told themselves.
Ah, but...
You must love your neighbour, as you love yourself.
So if we are in a world where people struggle with loving their neighbour, which is a well known fact in most religions and walks of life, then perspective of self has got a massive importance on this. But focusing on the self and trying to fix that part of us, is something people fear the most, because usually they have boxed it up somewhere underneath all the fearful experiences.
What is your experience of getting through to people, who have put their 'selves' in a box locked away somewhere?
You must love your neighbour, as you love yourself.
So if we are in a world where people struggle with loving their neighbour, which is a well known fact in most religions and walks of life, then perspective of self has got a massive importance on this. But focusing on the self and trying to fix that part of us, is something people fear the most, because usually they have boxed it up somewhere underneath all the fearful experiences.
What is your experience of getting through to people, who have put their 'selves' in a box locked away somewhere?
I had a preacher show up at where I worked after my husband and I were going through a divorce and I believe it was after the divorce. I just remember while I was working this man asked me if my ex-husband had just cause to get remarried.
I was shocked, angry and appalled that this preacher didn't call me at home or try and come to my apartment after work or ask me to come into the church office for a meeting but that he showed up at my work while I'm working at the receptionist desk where I was answering phones to answer such a question.
I wanted to tell him it was none of his blank business, but I remembered he was a preacher and should be afforded some respect and so I said "Well let me put it this way I think we've both been on the wrong side of the fence."
I let him decide what he wanted to think by that statement. The truth of the matter is that our marriage didn't break up because of adultery at least not on my side don't know about my husband as he was remarried quickly after our divorce but I didn't suspect him of cheating.
Later I heard from my Mother-In-Law telling me the church was thinking of dis-fellowshipping Mike because he got married so soon after our divorce and she said I don't know what you told the pastor but they left Mike alone.
Someone getting remarried is a stupid reason to try and kick someone out of church in my opinion and I didn't know why the preacher asked me that question as he didn't tell me why he was asking. I just felt it was wrong place wrong time for this man to show up at my work and ask me such a thing.
Did I lie....I'll let you and God be the judge as I felt I handled it the best way I could at the time because I could have answered so much meaner than I did and I wanted to answer meanly as those bad words crossed my mind after this preacher asked this question.
Out of respect of his position and more for respect for God I answered the way I did as I didn't feel it was this man's business. I was hurt and felt it was such a wrong way to ask me, wrong place and he will have to answer to God for how he went about it. It was painful enough to go through the divorce but to be asked if you are a whore at work was over the top for me and I didn't go to church for a while.
God knew how I felt and I'm so thankful He never gave up on me and will never give up cause I know He wants us all saved. We just have to choose if we will accept this great gift He has offered us.
God doesn't like nor approve of lying and liars won't be in heaven.... The truth will set you free.
[h=1]John 14:6King James Version (KJV)[/h]
I was shocked, angry and appalled that this preacher didn't call me at home or try and come to my apartment after work or ask me to come into the church office for a meeting but that he showed up at my work while I'm working at the receptionist desk where I was answering phones to answer such a question.
I wanted to tell him it was none of his blank business, but I remembered he was a preacher and should be afforded some respect and so I said "Well let me put it this way I think we've both been on the wrong side of the fence."
I let him decide what he wanted to think by that statement. The truth of the matter is that our marriage didn't break up because of adultery at least not on my side don't know about my husband as he was remarried quickly after our divorce but I didn't suspect him of cheating.
Later I heard from my Mother-In-Law telling me the church was thinking of dis-fellowshipping Mike because he got married so soon after our divorce and she said I don't know what you told the pastor but they left Mike alone.
Someone getting remarried is a stupid reason to try and kick someone out of church in my opinion and I didn't know why the preacher asked me that question as he didn't tell me why he was asking. I just felt it was wrong place wrong time for this man to show up at my work and ask me such a thing.
Did I lie....I'll let you and God be the judge as I felt I handled it the best way I could at the time because I could have answered so much meaner than I did and I wanted to answer meanly as those bad words crossed my mind after this preacher asked this question.
Out of respect of his position and more for respect for God I answered the way I did as I didn't feel it was this man's business. I was hurt and felt it was such a wrong way to ask me, wrong place and he will have to answer to God for how he went about it. It was painful enough to go through the divorce but to be asked if you are a whore at work was over the top for me and I didn't go to church for a while.
God knew how I felt and I'm so thankful He never gave up on me and will never give up cause I know He wants us all saved. We just have to choose if we will accept this great gift He has offered us.
God doesn't like nor approve of lying and liars won't be in heaven.... The truth will set you free.
[h=1]John 14:6King James Version (KJV)[/h]
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
I've been reading through Jeremiah and I find it interesting the he lied for the king:
Then Zedekiah said to Jeremiah, “Don’t tell anyone you told me this, or you will die! My officials may hear that I spoke to you, and they may say, ‘Tell us what you and the king were talking about. If you don’t tell us, we will kill you.’ If this happens, just tell them you begged me not to send you back to Jonathan’s dungeon, for fear you would die there.” Sure enough, it wasn’t long before the king’s officials came to Jeremiah and asked him why the king had called for him. But Jeremiah followed the king’s instructions, and they left without finding out the truth. No one had overheard the conversation between Jeremiah and the king.
Jeremiah 38:24*-27 NLT
I don't really have anything to say about it, just a passing comment.
Then Zedekiah said to Jeremiah, “Don’t tell anyone you told me this, or you will die! My officials may hear that I spoke to you, and they may say, ‘Tell us what you and the king were talking about. If you don’t tell us, we will kill you.’ If this happens, just tell them you begged me not to send you back to Jonathan’s dungeon, for fear you would die there.” Sure enough, it wasn’t long before the king’s officials came to Jeremiah and asked him why the king had called for him. But Jeremiah followed the king’s instructions, and they left without finding out the truth. No one had overheard the conversation between Jeremiah and the king.
Jeremiah 38:24*-27 NLT
I don't really have anything to say about it, just a passing comment.
I have broken all of the commandments and not just because I have broken one. Literally all 10 of them so I can't feel above anyone else, I'd hope that it would give me empathy for those who have also gone down a sinful road learning the hard way.
I didn't serve jail time for murder because abortion was legal when I had mine, but then I also attempted suicide at the age of 40 so yes, I've broken them all.
I'm not proud of my bad record but I am oh so very grateful for a Savior who died and paid the price for all my sins and I hope at this point that I have learned that it is better to allow God to live in my heart so I won't want to sin against Him or my fellow man anymore. Thank God for the blood of Jesus who washes away our sins and makes us white as snow.
I didn't serve jail time for murder because abortion was legal when I had mine, but then I also attempted suicide at the age of 40 so yes, I've broken them all.
I'm not proud of my bad record but I am oh so very grateful for a Savior who died and paid the price for all my sins and I hope at this point that I have learned that it is better to allow God to live in my heart so I won't want to sin against Him or my fellow man anymore. Thank God for the blood of Jesus who washes away our sins and makes us white as snow.