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    Do you believe there can truly be such a person as "a Christian Politician?"

    IOW, I don't think there is a one of us who will not agree that there are often civil & governmental "laws" and positions that contradict some laws of God. Yet, in the very oaths politicians take, they swear to uphold manmade laws, above all else.

    Does a politician just stubbornly voting "No" on those issues absolve him or her from putting God before the law of man?
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    Yes there can be a Christian politician... and if he was truely born again he should pray and vote in ways that align with Gods will...

    vote in ways that go against abortion rights for example


    im sure he or she would make mistakes

    but i think if we had more Christian (actual brothers and sisters) politicians it would help more than hurt....

    not all bias is harmful
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    (coming from a guy who has no idea what oaths politicians take)
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    IMO, I would think they would have to, sooner or later, compromise
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7seasrekeyed View Post
    IMO, I would think they would have to, sooner or later, compromise
    This is the entire premise from which I am addressing this subject.

    When I posted the thread about "Lying", several people expressed the opinion that, under no circumstances could a Christian ever have a reason to speak a lie. (considering some people thought a "lie" had to be a verbal utterance) And by the fact of a politician "speaking" an oath to uphold manmade laws above all else, I would have to say that they actually began their term of office by telling a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
    (coming from a guy who has no idea what oaths politicians take)
    No problem. Most oaths of office are easily Googled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    No problem. Most oaths of office are easily Googled.
    this thread goes well with your other thread

    is it ok to lie

    hahaha
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    Default Re: "Christian" Politician?

    Jimmy Carter is a Christian and politician. Some would say he wasn't much of a politician though. So there's that.

    (btw, I like Jimmy Carter and wish we had more people in office today with his beliefs and character. )
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    Default Re: "Christian" Politician?

    Of course there are Christian politicians, some of the greatest Christians of all history where the rulers and servants of governments. Government is specifically listed as a gift.

    1 Corinthians 12:28

    28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

    With that said though there is a lot of wicked governments too. Governments, especially in this time are at the forefront of the spiritual warfare. It is one of those lines where the worldly and spiritual meets and the battle is very hot in this time!

    Ephesians 6:12

    12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    This is the entire premise from which I am addressing this subject.

    When I posted the thread about "Lying", several people expressed the opinion that, under no circumstances could a Christian ever have a reason to speak a lie. (considering some people thought a "lie" had to be a verbal utterance) And by the fact of a politician "speaking" an oath to uphold manmade laws above all else, I would have to say that they actually began their term of office by telling a lie.

    politician speak out of both sides of his/her mouth?

    didn't participate in the other thread

    if it meant protecting innocents...children for example...I would lie. of course I guess a person can always point at David and say well he pretended to be insane to protect himself

    I think I would go off the rails under certain circumstances...like war or terrorist attack...and not have a bad conscience

    we can also consider if NOT saying something is a lie...if you do not say something to another to 'spare' their feeings for example. personally, I would rather have the nekked truth and some pain then be lied to

    I would agree with your premise here though...an oath is not the same as just an exchange between people and all the intricacies of relationships

    an oath is black and white and if you take, you should uphold it.

    if you cannot do that, then do not take the oath. the bottom line for me though, is the almost constant duplicity of politicians and I don't care who they are

    guess I kind of waxed philosophical LOL!

    the short answer remains tho
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    Default Re: "Christian" Politician?

    Weve had several, they usually end up throwing in the towel though as their work
    conflicts with their faith.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lib-dem-leader


    Having said that there is a group set up for MPs who are Christians or who
    want to explore the Christian faith.

    Christians in Parliament


    Prime Minister Teresa May claims to be a Christian though I’m uncertain if she is
    born again. She comes from an Anglican background and her father was a vicar.

    https://www.premierchristianity.com/...ublic-politics


    In fact I don’t think we have ever had as many “Christians” in Parliament before.

    The queen is also a very devout born again Christian and both William and Kate have
    been on the Alpha Course.

    Prince Charles by contrast has no interest in Christianity at all, completely the
    opposite. That’s why many UK Christians are hoping he doesn’t get to be King and
    that it goes to William, in the hope the queens faith will become a big influence to
    William.
    He is God and we are not.


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    Being a Christian politician is like being a Christian car salesman. You can do both jobs with a clean conscience, but you will not do very good business that way.

    I have a friend who is both a Christian and a Pentecostal. In fact he goes to my church. He is honest but his business is... Very small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
    Being a Christian politician is like being a Christian car salesman. You can do both jobs with a clean conscience, but you will not do very good business that way.

    I have a friend who is both a Christian and a Pentecostal. In fact he goes to my church. He is honest but his business is... Very small.
    No way, if they really are Christians and really believe in God then the Lord God will prosper them be it in business or government like he always does because the Lord Jesus Christ is true and faithful! Consider King Solomon whom prospered greatly for as long as he followed the Lord, he prospered materially and in all wisdom so much so that the Queen of Sheba did come to verify the claims of his magnanimity which the Lord God did magnify him with until the day he fell into the narrow pit of strange women and they carried his heart away after lying gods and his kingdom was torn in two. Yea King Solomon is a great example of both ways, the way the Lord gives and the way the Lord takes away. Even after Solomon consider all the good kings written about in the Bible and how they prospered marvelously so long as they loved God. Consider even in the era after Jesus Christ's birth, life, crucifixion, and resurrection how many great Christian kings like Charlemagne did prosper and become names of legend. Praise the Lord God, for he will not mislead his faithful, praise the Lord Jesus Christ!

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    Charlemagne FORCED his subjects to 'become' Christian

    puts a different spin on taking 'the kingdom' by force

    history

    get it write

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
    Being a Christian politician is like being a Christian car salesman. You can do both jobs with a clean conscience, but you will not do very good business that way.

    I have a friend who is both a Christian and a Pentecostal. In fact he goes to my church. He is honest but his business is... Very small.
    I have known Christian business owners who have sadly compromised their Christianity by modishness...involving money of course.

    an example of not compromising, would be Christian bakery owners who are harassed and sued by homosexuals with an agenda
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7seasrekeyed View Post
    Charlemagne FORCED his subjects to 'become' Christian

    puts a different spin on taking 'the kingdom' by force

    history

    get it write
    Charlemagne was a great man and one of the greatest Christian kings to ever rule. He did that which was right scouring out the false gods of the Europeans, which were all idols and devils, and destroying them as is commanded by God. God made Charles prosper and magnified him and he made his forebear Charles the Hammer whom defended Europe from the heathen to prosper, and their names are surely inscribed with great glory by God. Charlemagne's name will live on that he is the father of Europe. May the wicked children of Europe whom forsook Charlemagne's ways and went backwards into the way of Balaam be accursed just as it is foretold in the books of Ezekiel, Daniel, Revelation, the Torah, and the writings of Paul. All the glory and praise is the Lord Jesus Christ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezekiel8 View Post
    Charlemagne was a great man and one of the greatest Christian kings to ever rule. He did that which was right scouring out the false gods of the Europeans, which were all idols and devils, and destroying them as is commanded by God. God made Charles prosper and magnified him and he made his forebear Charles the Hammer whom defended Europe from the heathen to prosper, and their names are surely inscribed with great glory by God. Charlemagne's name will live on that he is the father of Europe. May the wicked children of Europe whom forsook Charlemagne's ways and went backwards into the way of Balaam be accursed just as it is foretold in the book of Ezekiel, Revelation, the Torah, and the writings of Paul. All the glory and praise is the Lord Jesus Christ!
    ok

    well, we'll take that under advisement

    gonna take millions to change all the documents and history books to agree with you though

    did someone put hot pepper down your shirt?

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    Default Re: "Christian" Politician?

    at any rate, the question of forced conversion might be an interesting side thread...or thread spawn, whatever you call it

    perhaps there is some bit of a tie in anyway though, if we look at certain politicians, who refer to themselves as Christian, and the belief they can run the country with those beliefs...dunno...

    there's a can of little wigglies for yah

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7seasrekeyed View Post
    ok

    well, we'll take that under advisement

    gonna take millions to change all the documents and history books to agree with you though

    did someone put hot pepper down your shirt?
    The truth is written all ready and inscribed with a pen of iron into history, and you shall not change it.

    Deuteronomy 12:3

    1 These are the statutes and judgments, which ye shall observe to do in the land, which the Lord God of thy fathers giveth thee to possess it, all the days that ye live upon the earth.
    2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:
    3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.

    Jeremiah 10

    1 Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
    2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
    3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
    4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
    5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
    6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
    7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
    8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
    9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.
    10 But the Lord is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
    11 Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.
    12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
    13 When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out of his treasures.
    14 Every man is brutish in his knowledge: every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.
    15 They are vanity, and the work of errors: in the time of their visitation they shall perish.
    16 The portion of Jacob is not like them: for he is the former of all things; and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: The Lord of hosts is his name.
    17 Gather up thy wares out of the land, O inhabitant of the fortress.
    18 For thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will sling out the inhabitants of the land at this once, and will distress them, that they may find it so.
    19 Woe is me for my hurt! my wound is grievous; but I said, Truly this is a grief, and I must bear it.
    20 My tabernacle is spoiled, and all my cords are broken: my children are gone forth of me, and they are not: there is none to stretch forth my tent any more, and to set up my curtains.
    21 For the pastors are become brutish, and have not sought the Lord: therefore they shall not prosper, and all their flocks shall be scattered.
    22 Behold, the noise of the bruit is come, and a great commotion out of the north country, to make the cities of Judah desolate, and a den of dragons.
    23 O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.
    24 O Lord, correct me, but with judgment; not in thine anger, lest thou bring me to nothing.
    25 Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name: for they have eaten up Jacob, and devoured him, and consumed him, and have made his habitation desolate.

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    Default Re: "Christian" Politician?

    Most politicians are like Florida shoes. They are a bunch of flip floppers.... A Christian politician would be a holy flip flopper.

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