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Let me answer the second question first.
The world is walking in lock step with the antichrist spirit to bring down the world's governments so they may be replaced by his one-world rule. I know this is going to happen and that I'm just basically p*ssing into the wind to try and stop it. But what alarms me IS THE HUGE NUMBERS OF CHRISTIANS WHO ARE BUYING INTO THIS PLAN AND PROMOTING IT. Even tho we all know where the world is going to end up, I believe it is a Christians duty to fight it none the less. At least it is our duty to not aid and abet it. Yet here we are, believer after believer supporting the hording of riches, disdain for the working man, and loss of love for the poor and destitute. That is why I try to sound the alarm.
But the alarm falls on self-deafened ears ... that's why I don't try very hard. I've had my fill of beating my head against the brick wall of self-imposed mass ignorance.
Ok, first question now.
I am apparently one of the very few left who LEARNS FROM EXPERIENCE. Every. Single. Place. and Every. Single. Time. trickle down economics has been tried IT HAS FAILED MISERABLY. I could point to Kansas as the latest example of failure, but I'd be just beating my head against the wall again wouldn't I? Because you people just aren't interested in the truth. You've been set in motion down a path and have absolutely NO interest in changing that ... the facts and scripture be d@mned! Isn't the definition of insanity trying something over and over again expecting a different result? Evidently a large percentage of Christians are certifiable. They don't learn from scripture and they certainly don't learn from experience.
Ok Lynn, since I got you here I have a question I've been meaning to ask you for a long time but haven't because it is of a personal nature. I'm trying hard to stop with the personal attacks, and while I don't mean this to be an attack I know it will be very easily and quickly interpreted as such. And since you are a chronic attacker I don't feel so constrained...
Your tagline "Still a woman but no lady". ... is that something you find pride in? Is that something to aspire to? What if I were to call myself "still a male but not a gentleman"? That's not a tagline I would be proud of, much less promote. What is the Christ-like thinking there?
Aaaaaand, just to tie back into the OP.... Yes it can be horribly expensive to develop and bring to market a new drug. But let's look at the Epi-pen, a lifesaving necessity for many... Developed many many decades ago by the government, then sold at the typical government discount to a pharmaceutical company which then sold it to another company that, absent any real R&D expenses, OR ANY OTHER JUSTIFICATION THAN PURE GREED, JACKED THE PRICE UP 700%.
Because that's capitalism baby. Screw what's right, screw the sick and poor. Pony up ALL your duckets or die.
Yeah ... that's a REAL Christian mindset.
The world is walking in lock step with the antichrist spirit to bring down the world's governments so they may be replaced by his one-world rule. I know this is going to happen and that I'm just basically p*ssing into the wind to try and stop it. But what alarms me IS THE HUGE NUMBERS OF CHRISTIANS WHO ARE BUYING INTO THIS PLAN AND PROMOTING IT. Even tho we all know where the world is going to end up, I believe it is a Christians duty to fight it none the less. At least it is our duty to not aid and abet it. Yet here we are, believer after believer supporting the hording of riches, disdain for the working man, and loss of love for the poor and destitute. That is why I try to sound the alarm.
But the alarm falls on self-deafened ears ... that's why I don't try very hard. I've had my fill of beating my head against the brick wall of self-imposed mass ignorance.
Ok, first question now.
I am apparently one of the very few left who LEARNS FROM EXPERIENCE. Every. Single. Place. and Every. Single. Time. trickle down economics has been tried IT HAS FAILED MISERABLY. I could point to Kansas as the latest example of failure, but I'd be just beating my head against the wall again wouldn't I? Because you people just aren't interested in the truth. You've been set in motion down a path and have absolutely NO interest in changing that ... the facts and scripture be d@mned! Isn't the definition of insanity trying something over and over again expecting a different result? Evidently a large percentage of Christians are certifiable. They don't learn from scripture and they certainly don't learn from experience.
Ok Lynn, since I got you here I have a question I've been meaning to ask you for a long time but haven't because it is of a personal nature. I'm trying hard to stop with the personal attacks, and while I don't mean this to be an attack I know it will be very easily and quickly interpreted as such. And since you are a chronic attacker I don't feel so constrained...
Your tagline "Still a woman but no lady". ... is that something you find pride in? Is that something to aspire to? What if I were to call myself "still a male but not a gentleman"? That's not a tagline I would be proud of, much less promote. What is the Christ-like thinking there?
Aaaaaand, just to tie back into the OP.... Yes it can be horribly expensive to develop and bring to market a new drug. But let's look at the Epi-pen, a lifesaving necessity for many... Developed many many decades ago by the government, then sold at the typical government discount to a pharmaceutical company which then sold it to another company that, absent any real R&D expenses, OR ANY OTHER JUSTIFICATION THAN PURE GREED, JACKED THE PRICE UP 700%.
Because that's capitalism baby. Screw what's right, screw the sick and poor. Pony up ALL your duckets or die.
Yeah ... that's a REAL Christian mindset.
Oh and, since I know your next response will be "that's just your opinion not scripture", here lemme help you with that ... bear with me this is soooo large it will take 2 posts ...
Job 31:24-28 If I have put my confidence in gold, And called fine gold my trust, If I have gloated because my wealth was great, And because my hand had secured so much; If I have looked at the sun when it shone or the moon going in splendor, And my heart became secretly enticed, And my hand threw a kiss from my mouth, That too would have been an iniquity calling for judgment, For I would have denied God above.
Psalm 52:6-7 The righteous will see and fear, And will laugh at him, saying, "Behold, the man who would not make God his refuge, But trusted in the abundance of his riches And was strong in his evil desire."
Proverbs 11:28 He who trusts in his riches will fall, But the righteous will flourish like the green leaf.
Jeremiah 49:4 How boastful you are about the valleys! Your valley is flowing away, O backsliding daughter who trusts in her treasures, saying, 'Who will come against me?'
Ezekiel 28:5 By your great wisdom, by your trade You have increased your riches And your heart is lifted up because of your riches
Psalm 62:10 Do not trust in oppression and do not vainly hope in robbery; If riches increase, do not set your heart upon them.
Proverbs 18:23 The poor man utters supplications, But the rich man answers roughly.
Proverbs 28:11 The rich man is wise in his own eyes, But the poor who has understanding sees through him.
Job 20:17-20 He does not look at the streams, The rivers flowing with honey and curds. He returns what he has attained And cannot swallow it; As to the riches of his trading, He cannot even enjoy them. For he has oppressed and forsaken the poor; He has seized a house which he has not built. Because he knew no quiet within him, He does not retain anything he desires.
Proverbs 15:6 Great wealth is in the house of the righteous, But trouble is in the income of the wicked.
Proverbs 30:8-9 Keep deception and lies far from me, give me neither poverty nor riches; Feed me with the food that is my portion, That I not be full and deny You and say, "Who is the LORD?" Or that I not be in want and steal, And profane the name of my God.
Deuteronomy 32:15 Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; filled with food, they became heavy and sleek. They abandoned the God who made them and rejected the Rock their Savior.
Nehemiah 9:25-26 They captured fortified cities and a fertile land They took possession of houses full of every good thing, Hewn cisterns, vineyards, olive groves, Fruit trees in abundance So they ate, were filled and grew fat, And reveled in Your great goodness. "But they became disobedient and rebelled against You, And cast Your law behind their backs And killed Your prophets who had admonished them So that they might return to You, And they committed great blasphemies.
Hosea 13:6 As they had their pasture, they became satisfied, And being satisfied, their heart became proud; Therefore they forgot Me.
Proverbs 23:4 Do not weary yourself to gain wealth, Cease from your consideration of it.
Haggai 1:3-5 Then the word of the LORD came by Haggai the prophet, saying, "Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses while this house lies desolate?" Now therefore, thus says the LORD of hosts, "Consider your ways!
Leviticus 19:13 You shall not oppress your neighbor, nor rob him. The wages of a hired man are not to remain with you all night until morning.
Deuteronomy 24:12-15 If he is a poor man, you shall not sleep with his pledge. When the sun goes down you shall surely return the pledge to him, that he may sleep in his cloak and bless you; and it will be righteousness for you before the LORD your God. You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your countrymen or one of your aliens who is in your land in your towns.
Proverbs 22:16 He who oppresses the poor to make more for himself or who gives to the rich, will only come to poverty.
Isaiah 1:23 Your rulers are rebels And companions of thieves; Everyone loves a bribe And chases after rewards. They do not defend the orphan, Nor does the widow's plea come before them.
Jeremiah 22:13 Woe to him who builds his house without righteousness And his upper rooms without justice, Who uses his neighbor's services without pay And does not give him his wages,
Micah 6:12 For the rich men of the city are full of violence, Her residents speak lies, And their tongue is deceitful in their mouth.
Malachi 3:5 Then I will draw near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers and against the adulterers and against those who swear falsely, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages, the widow and the orphan, and those who turn aside the alien and do not fear Me," says the LORD of hosts.
Job 31:24, 25, 28 If I have put my confidence in gold, And called fine gold my trust, If I have gloated because my wealth was great, And because my hand had secured so much; ... That too would have been an iniquity calling for judgment, For I would have denied God above.
Psalm 52:7 Behold,the man who would not make God his refuge, But trusted in the abundance of his riches And was strong in his evil desire."
Proverbs 18:11 A rich man’s wealth is his strong city, And like a high wall in his own imagination.
Job 31:24-28 If I have put my confidence in gold, And called fine gold my trust, If I have gloated because my wealth was great, And because my hand had secured so much; If I have looked at the sun when it shone or the moon going in splendor, And my heart became secretly enticed, And my hand threw a kiss from my mouth, That too would have been an iniquity calling for judgment, For I would have denied God above.
Psalm 52:6-7 The righteous will see and fear, And will laugh at him, saying, "Behold, the man who would not make God his refuge, But trusted in the abundance of his riches And was strong in his evil desire."
Proverbs 11:28 He who trusts in his riches will fall, But the righteous will flourish like the green leaf.
Jeremiah 49:4 How boastful you are about the valleys! Your valley is flowing away, O backsliding daughter who trusts in her treasures, saying, 'Who will come against me?'
Ezekiel 28:5 By your great wisdom, by your trade You have increased your riches And your heart is lifted up because of your riches
Psalm 62:10 Do not trust in oppression and do not vainly hope in robbery; If riches increase, do not set your heart upon them.
Proverbs 18:23 The poor man utters supplications, But the rich man answers roughly.
Proverbs 28:11 The rich man is wise in his own eyes, But the poor who has understanding sees through him.
Job 20:17-20 He does not look at the streams, The rivers flowing with honey and curds. He returns what he has attained And cannot swallow it; As to the riches of his trading, He cannot even enjoy them. For he has oppressed and forsaken the poor; He has seized a house which he has not built. Because he knew no quiet within him, He does not retain anything he desires.
Proverbs 15:6 Great wealth is in the house of the righteous, But trouble is in the income of the wicked.
Proverbs 30:8-9 Keep deception and lies far from me, give me neither poverty nor riches; Feed me with the food that is my portion, That I not be full and deny You and say, "Who is the LORD?" Or that I not be in want and steal, And profane the name of my God.
Deuteronomy 32:15 Jeshurun grew fat and kicked; filled with food, they became heavy and sleek. They abandoned the God who made them and rejected the Rock their Savior.
Nehemiah 9:25-26 They captured fortified cities and a fertile land They took possession of houses full of every good thing, Hewn cisterns, vineyards, olive groves, Fruit trees in abundance So they ate, were filled and grew fat, And reveled in Your great goodness. "But they became disobedient and rebelled against You, And cast Your law behind their backs And killed Your prophets who had admonished them So that they might return to You, And they committed great blasphemies.
Hosea 13:6 As they had their pasture, they became satisfied, And being satisfied, their heart became proud; Therefore they forgot Me.
Proverbs 23:4 Do not weary yourself to gain wealth, Cease from your consideration of it.
Haggai 1:3-5 Then the word of the LORD came by Haggai the prophet, saying, "Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses while this house lies desolate?" Now therefore, thus says the LORD of hosts, "Consider your ways!
Leviticus 19:13 You shall not oppress your neighbor, nor rob him. The wages of a hired man are not to remain with you all night until morning.
Deuteronomy 24:12-15 If he is a poor man, you shall not sleep with his pledge. When the sun goes down you shall surely return the pledge to him, that he may sleep in his cloak and bless you; and it will be righteousness for you before the LORD your God. You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your countrymen or one of your aliens who is in your land in your towns.
Proverbs 22:16 He who oppresses the poor to make more for himself or who gives to the rich, will only come to poverty.
Isaiah 1:23 Your rulers are rebels And companions of thieves; Everyone loves a bribe And chases after rewards. They do not defend the orphan, Nor does the widow's plea come before them.
Jeremiah 22:13 Woe to him who builds his house without righteousness And his upper rooms without justice, Who uses his neighbor's services without pay And does not give him his wages,
Micah 6:12 For the rich men of the city are full of violence, Her residents speak lies, And their tongue is deceitful in their mouth.
Malachi 3:5 Then I will draw near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers and against the adulterers and against those who swear falsely, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages, the widow and the orphan, and those who turn aside the alien and do not fear Me," says the LORD of hosts.
Job 31:24, 25, 28 If I have put my confidence in gold, And called fine gold my trust, If I have gloated because my wealth was great, And because my hand had secured so much; ... That too would have been an iniquity calling for judgment, For I would have denied God above.
Psalm 52:7 Behold,the man who would not make God his refuge, But trusted in the abundance of his riches And was strong in his evil desire."
Proverbs 18:11 A rich man’s wealth is his strong city, And like a high wall in his own imagination.
Matthew 4:9-10 and he said to Him, "All these things I will give You, if You fall down and worship me." Then Jesus said to him, "Go, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and serve Him only’”.
Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
Matthew 13:22 And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
Matthew 19:21-22Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.
Mark 4:19 but the worries of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
Mark 10:21-22 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property.
Luke 6:20 “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. 21 Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh. 22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets. 24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. 25 Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep. 26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
Luke 8:14 The seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
Luke 12:13-21 [SUP]13 [/SUP]Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”[SUP]14 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?” [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. [SUP]17 [/SUP]He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’ [SUP]18 [/SUP]“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.”’ [SUP]20 [/SUP]“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’ [SUP]21 [/SUP]“This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”
Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth
Luke 16:19-21 Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores … 25 But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony
Luke 18:22-23 When Jesus heard this, He said to him, "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich.
1 Timothy 3:3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.
1 Timothy 6:8-9 If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content. But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
1 Timothy 6:17 Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy.
James 2:6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you and personally drag you into court?
James 5:1 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. 6You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth.
Matthew 13:22 And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
Matthew 19:21-22Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.
Mark 4:19 but the worries of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.
Mark 10:21-22 Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, "One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But at these words he was saddened, and he went away grieving, for he was one who owned much property.
Luke 6:20 “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. 21 Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh. 22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets. 24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. 25 Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep. 26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.
Luke 8:14 The seed which fell among the thorns, these are the ones who have heard, and as they go on their way they are choked with worries and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
Luke 12:13-21 [SUP]13 [/SUP]Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”[SUP]14 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Man, who appointed me a judge or an arbiter between you?” [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then he said to them, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]And he told them this parable: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded an abundant harvest. [SUP]17 [/SUP]He thought to himself, ‘What shall I do? I have no place to store my crops.’ [SUP]18 [/SUP]“Then he said, ‘This is what I’ll do. I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, and there I will store my surplus grain. [SUP]19 [/SUP]And I’ll say to myself, “You have plenty of grain laid up for many years. Take life easy; eat, drink and be merry.”’ [SUP]20 [/SUP]“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you. Then who will get what you have prepared for yourself?’ [SUP]21 [/SUP]“This is how it will be with whoever stores up things for themselves but is not rich toward God.”
Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth
Luke 16:19-21 Now there was a rich man, and he habitually dressed in purple and fine linen, joyously living in splendor every day. And a poor man named Lazarus was laid at his gate, covered with sores, and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores … 25 But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony
Luke 18:22-23 When Jesus heard this, He said to him, "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich.
1 Timothy 3:3 not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.
1 Timothy 6:8-9 If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content. But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
1 Timothy 6:17 Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy.
James 2:6 But you have dishonored the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you and personally drag you into court?
James 5:1 Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. 6You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
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There is a difference though in hoarding wealth and using it responsibly.
I know of a few rich Christians, they give a lot away. Support Christian causes etc.
Christian business owners also have a responsibility to their workforce.
Im sure too that God was rooting for mankind to find remedies for all the terrible
diseases. That’s also being responsible with the knowledge and resources given by
God.
Those who are irresponsible will be held to account Im sure, but it doesn’t mean all
rich people and scientists are evil. (Well maybe apart from TV ones
).
I know of a few rich Christians, they give a lot away. Support Christian causes etc.
Christian business owners also have a responsibility to their workforce.
Im sure too that God was rooting for mankind to find remedies for all the terrible
diseases. That’s also being responsible with the knowledge and resources given by
God.
Those who are irresponsible will be held to account Im sure, but it doesn’t mean all
rich people and scientists are evil. (Well maybe apart from TV ones
).
I hope you don’t think I am picking on you, this is not my intention. However, I just wonder what makes you think people take meds they do not need?
I was on a whack load of meds back in the early 2000s, because my RA was not controlled. Plus things for mental health, I was such a wreck because of the pain, and being so immobile. So, when Celebrex got taken off the market, because the company had misrepresented their product, by leaving off some important pages with side effects from their presentation to the FDA, and whoever approves meds in Canada (Canada Food and Drug Act?), I went to my rheumatologist crying and told him I couldn’t live this way anymore.
He put me on a biologic, and switched me from useless oral methotrexate to injectable. It took a few months, but I was 100% for the next 5 years, except for the damage I had incurred from not being properly medicated. I immediately dropped from 22 meds, (mthx was once a week, the others daily) to 9 meds, 3 of which were inhalers for asthma. I was able to start exercising, after a few years I got up to 35 km on my bicycle outside daily, heavy weights, and go to seminary and get my MDiv, because my cognitive function was restored (RA attacks the brain, but those psych meds were also hard on the brain!) To say nothing of being active in chaplain work in long term care.
Another doctor gave me a outdated copy of the CPS, which is the Canadian Bible for meds, that doctors and pharmacists use. He told me to look up all my drugs, and see which ones were causing my liver issues. Turns out Reactine, an OTC antihistamine I had been put on for allergic asthma raised enzymes. I went off immediately, and my liver enzymes dropped. My lesson is that I look up every drug I am given, I track each med daily, I track RA pain, regular pain, asthma attacks, fibromyalgia etc on a monthly calendar made for that purpose. It helps me see the patterns, which drugs I do not need, which drugs I need more of, etc.
These things convinced me the root of my issues was to keep my RA properly medicated, and those dangerous biologics were giving me quality of life, who cares about quantity? I’ve stuck with that, and it worked well, although I had to go off mthx when my liver enzymes were sky high. My new rheumatolgist has solved that issue, having me go off for a week and reduce my dosage. I am so grateful we revisited this med.
However, I am on my last biologic, my RA has gotten more severe, and the 3 drugs combo is not working as well as my first biologic. So, I have to take pain killers. I tried to get off of them, but I could barely move. My daughter said it was just withdrawal (she is a social worker, deals with addicts which colours her perspective on things!) and to push through it. Well, I did, and the pain never stopped. Plus, they never dealt with the fatigue at all. So, I took a prednisone, and I was a different person. Because the pain was caused by inflammation. I’ve been talking it for quite a few days, and I haven’t needed pain pills once. I made soup at 7pm, when I am usually a zombie. So why would I take something I don’t need?
Meanwhile, I am now taking a drug (prednisone) that has more bad side effects than all the addictive pain killers in the world. Including the fact that I may be suffering from adrenal insuffiency, because I have been on this drug so much in the last 3 years, because my meds failed completely 3 years ago, then forest fires for 2 months this summer kept me on prednisone, even though I carefully weaned off. And now my cold has gone into my lungs, my asthma is bad, so I need it for that.
A lot of words to say, I do NOT take drugs I do not need! Anyone would be a fool to do that! And for those that do, they need to really smarten up, find a doctor that will work with them, and help them find better answers. Some people do have chronic and unceasing pain, and need strong pain meds. I need to balance my need to get out of bed, between pain killers and prednisone.
Again, too many healthy people just do not understand what it means to have a chronic and disabling illness. And how quality of life, as indicated not just by pain, but how we are able to contribute to society, and enjoy life means that meds are necessary.
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Whew! Thank you! This makes me feel much better.
I really did think those two things were related to church teachings, but you say you learned it all on your own! Truly a relief! I feared pastors were teaching this junk, which is like feeding the congregation cotton candy for dinner.
Nope. Not from the church. Not related to Christianity at all. Just you. Whew!
What a relief.
BTW, since you asked, you don't have to say you're no gentlemen on your signy. It comes in loud and clear every time you write.
The reason I write I'm no lady on mine? Because I'm not, and it really does slow down the number of times people want to break in to tell me "you should be." Happens most often with men who think I "should submit" to their authority. I shouldn't do that either.
But thank you for answering my question. So this is all about my experience trumps God's word?
And, yeah, saw how many verses you used to pump up your excuses, but that's okay. I'm fully aware that Job, Abraham, David, Solomon, and Joseph of Arimathea would be snubbed by the Christians who snub the rich, too, and yet their very words would be used to prove that's not what you meant.
Whew! It's the nomads that believe this, not the church. What a sense of relief.
Thank you!
I really did think those two things were related to church teachings, but you say you learned it all on your own! Truly a relief! I feared pastors were teaching this junk, which is like feeding the congregation cotton candy for dinner.
Nope. Not from the church. Not related to Christianity at all. Just you. Whew!
What a relief.
BTW, since you asked, you don't have to say you're no gentlemen on your signy. It comes in loud and clear every time you write.
The reason I write I'm no lady on mine? Because I'm not, and it really does slow down the number of times people want to break in to tell me "you should be." Happens most often with men who think I "should submit" to their authority. I shouldn't do that either.
But thank you for answering my question. So this is all about my experience trumps God's word?
And, yeah, saw how many verses you used to pump up your excuses, but that's okay. I'm fully aware that Job, Abraham, David, Solomon, and Joseph of Arimathea would be snubbed by the Christians who snub the rich, too, and yet their very words would be used to prove that's not what you meant.
Whew! It's the nomads that believe this, not the church. What a sense of relief.
Thank you!
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The truth is the anarchists have been playing a game with the rest of us for years, and it's working to the point we think it's real. I call it "the 3% game." Sometimes the numbers are a little more than that, but often they're less than that.
Let me show the game.
-- 2% of all American men, (and, yes, I know you're not American, but this is an American game), are homosexuals. 4% of American women are. Between the two genders, 3% of Americans are. And yet, look how far we've bent backwards to affirm them into believing they are like everyone else. .3% of homosexuals get married, (and understand that is .3% of 3% of the population, not a third of homosexuals), and yet, look how far we've bent backwards to accept they should get married.
-- 4% of American women get abortions.
-- 3% of patients prescribed narcotics become addicts.
America really has become the land of the what-if. We're bending over backwards to make a very small, aberrant minority feel fine with their aberrant choices, because what-if?
Christians have gotten on the bandwagon the other way. It is true that some parents are drugging their children into behaving. It is also true there are some adults drugging themselves to seem normal too. And yet, now, because of that very small percentage of people who do that, no one, under and circumstance should use drugs for any reason... until suddenly, they're the ones who need the drugs for some debilitating reason.
And, 1% is bad too, because "1% of the population is controlling everyone and everything."
It's a stupid game. We've set ourselves up as judge and jury before finding the facts, and then assume one-size-fits-all. Worse yet, it dismisses the one and only thing we should all be agreeing on --
God. Is. Sovereign.
He is judge, jury, and omni-fact-knower. He set up the Law, so we do know right from wrong. That's what we should be seeing, instead of the convoluted mess that seems so natural to us.
How easy it is to see that mass murderer in FL is just that -- a mass murderer. And yet we can't see parents drugging their kids for no reason is bad? I really do get ADD is a real thing. But it's like gluten. 1% of people really do have a bad time digesting gluten or concentrating for physical reasons in their bodies. And yet many more think that's the problem so don't bother finding a good doctor to find out if it is true.
I need pain pills because without them, I will spend much more time as a heap on my floor writhing back and forth in pain long enough to notice there is a dead roach under the sofa, and still can't get up to remove it. It's that bad without my pain pills, and yet everyone thinks we're drug addicts because 3% are!
Let me show the game.
-- 2% of all American men, (and, yes, I know you're not American, but this is an American game), are homosexuals. 4% of American women are. Between the two genders, 3% of Americans are. And yet, look how far we've bent backwards to affirm them into believing they are like everyone else. .3% of homosexuals get married, (and understand that is .3% of 3% of the population, not a third of homosexuals), and yet, look how far we've bent backwards to accept they should get married.
-- 4% of American women get abortions.
-- 3% of patients prescribed narcotics become addicts.
America really has become the land of the what-if. We're bending over backwards to make a very small, aberrant minority feel fine with their aberrant choices, because what-if?
Christians have gotten on the bandwagon the other way. It is true that some parents are drugging their children into behaving. It is also true there are some adults drugging themselves to seem normal too. And yet, now, because of that very small percentage of people who do that, no one, under and circumstance should use drugs for any reason... until suddenly, they're the ones who need the drugs for some debilitating reason.
And, 1% is bad too, because "1% of the population is controlling everyone and everything."
It's a stupid game. We've set ourselves up as judge and jury before finding the facts, and then assume one-size-fits-all. Worse yet, it dismisses the one and only thing we should all be agreeing on --
God. Is. Sovereign.
He is judge, jury, and omni-fact-knower. He set up the Law, so we do know right from wrong. That's what we should be seeing, instead of the convoluted mess that seems so natural to us.
How easy it is to see that mass murderer in FL is just that -- a mass murderer. And yet we can't see parents drugging their kids for no reason is bad? I really do get ADD is a real thing. But it's like gluten. 1% of people really do have a bad time digesting gluten or concentrating for physical reasons in their bodies. And yet many more think that's the problem so don't bother finding a good doctor to find out if it is true.
I need pain pills because without them, I will spend much more time as a heap on my floor writhing back and forth in pain long enough to notice there is a dead roach under the sofa, and still can't get up to remove it. It's that bad without my pain pills, and yet everyone thinks we're drug addicts because 3% are!
I've had medication stolen from me from people addicted. I've also worked w addicts...meth users. That's where I was coming from.
Most of the time we're guinea pigs trying to find something that works. Until I'm sure it helps I'm very cautious. Even after... I am concerned the stronghold things have on ppl.
I have been HEALED of a bulging disk. (I didnt all caps that. The Holy Spirit did that So I left it).
My minister of rheumatoid arthritis.
I died when my head was cracked against a tub at a very young age... about 7. God said "It's over". I cried out, " I have to help my mom". He let me come back.
There is healing. In Christ.
I hate these meds I take but I'm not able to shake them. Fear is my reasoning. I Timothy 1:7 bothers me on that note. Many days I've felt defeated. It's society. It's faith.
Most of the time we're guinea pigs trying to find something that works. Until I'm sure it helps I'm very cautious. Even after... I am concerned the stronghold things have on ppl.
I have been HEALED of a bulging disk. (I didnt all caps that. The Holy Spirit did that So I left it).
My minister of rheumatoid arthritis.
I died when my head was cracked against a tub at a very young age... about 7. God said "It's over". I cried out, " I have to help my mom". He let me come back.
There is healing. In Christ.
I hate these meds I take but I'm not able to shake them. Fear is my reasoning. I Timothy 1:7 bothers me on that note. Many days I've felt defeated. It's society. It's faith.
Ok, I'll play along...
You are the one who made the rather conspiracy-esque accusations of pharmaceutical companies working for "the government" making biological weapons. YOU have the burden of proof, here..... I do not have to prove they are not.
I simply made the observation that those types of comments belong in the conspiracy forum.
If you consider that an insult, perhaps I was, indeed, stepping on your toes.
You are the one who made the rather conspiracy-esque accusations of pharmaceutical companies working for "the government" making biological weapons. YOU have the burden of proof, here..... I do not have to prove they are not.
I simply made the observation that those types of comments belong in the conspiracy forum.
If you consider that an insult, perhaps I was, indeed, stepping on your toes.
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Here's something that you're going to have to believe just because I believe you. (Or, you know me well enough to know I don't lie. Your choice. lol)
I was a drug addict. After going through rehab, I worked for that rehab. Never wanted to do drugs again.
And yet, the pain was so bad I couldn't take it. Doctors put me on over 24 different drugs to try and find one that helped for the very obvious reason they had to. I out-and-out told them both things (addict. Can't take the pain.) None of them worked and I was past my last nerve. By that time,the only thing keeping me alive (and, looking back -- oh yeah, that was God all the way), was a promise I made to hubby that I would hold on as long as I could in hope something changed. By then, the best thing that could happen to me was sleeping at night. (If I slept.) Not good when your biggest hope is sleeping so nothing happens.
Finally, no choice. A narcotic. The Hollywood darling of hateful drugs -- oxycodone. It helps enough. Doesn't take the pain away, but it makes it bearable. And guess what. I'm not addicted to it.
Dependent, obviously, but not addicted.
You help addicts? As an ex-addict, I thank you very much. Couldn't have made it back then without people helping me and teaching me how to live normal. But do understand, you are helping the 3%ers. Most of us aren't addicts.
And, yeah, 3%. Given the US has over 320 million people that is a whole lot, but not compared to the whole. Don't think because you see the whole lot, it is everyone. The vast majority of people are NOT stealing your prescriptions.
I was a drug addict. After going through rehab, I worked for that rehab. Never wanted to do drugs again.
And yet, the pain was so bad I couldn't take it. Doctors put me on over 24 different drugs to try and find one that helped for the very obvious reason they had to. I out-and-out told them both things (addict. Can't take the pain.) None of them worked and I was past my last nerve. By that time,the only thing keeping me alive (and, looking back -- oh yeah, that was God all the way), was a promise I made to hubby that I would hold on as long as I could in hope something changed. By then, the best thing that could happen to me was sleeping at night. (If I slept.) Not good when your biggest hope is sleeping so nothing happens.
Finally, no choice. A narcotic. The Hollywood darling of hateful drugs -- oxycodone. It helps enough. Doesn't take the pain away, but it makes it bearable. And guess what. I'm not addicted to it.
Dependent, obviously, but not addicted.
You help addicts? As an ex-addict, I thank you very much. Couldn't have made it back then without people helping me and teaching me how to live normal. But do understand, you are helping the 3%ers. Most of us aren't addicts.
And, yeah, 3%. Given the US has over 320 million people that is a whole lot, but not compared to the whole. Don't think because you see the whole lot, it is everyone. The vast majority of people are NOT stealing your prescriptions.