Why we should reject forgiveness culture

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I am not embarrassed to call myself a Christian because I'm ashamed of Christ. I'm embarrassed to call myself a Christian because I supposedly have the same faith as the people who insist that we be doormats.

Given the recent mass shootings we've been dealing with in the last few years, we as Christians need to remind ourselves that it's not just Satan who makes this world evil, there are also evil people in this world. People who do not have a conscience and do not want forgiveness. I'm not going to hesitate to call what this man did as murder and child killing, and neither should you. Evil is evil, and there is no excuse for it, none. I don't care what this man went through that "drove" him to do this. There is ALWAYS a choice, and he made his choice.

How about this for a news flash? NO ONE can MAKE you do ANYTHING. NO ONE. People CHOOSE to murder and rape and rob and torture and abuse. It is ALWAYS a choice. ALWAYS. Saying it's due to one thing or another is to absolve people like this murderer of their responsibility, which the Bible says we are to hold them to.

I hate it, honestly hate it, when people are quick to forgive. Forgiveness NEVER comes without REPENTANCE. I know that because I read my bible. Only when people REPENT can they be forgiven. And I'm not just talking about saying "I'm sorry." I'm talking about literally begging and actively changing their lives around. Only then can things be made right and the people left in the wake of destruction have any kind of relief.

You can challenge me all you want, but I will be ready with a biblical response. The bible tells us that people who do evil things are without excuse. Some may ask for forgiveness, and some don't, because they don't want it. Forgiveness is not a right, it's not a demand to be made, it's not a commodity. And in a culture that stigmatizes those who refuse to forgive, the added stress can lead to poorer health and slower recovery.

Our job as Christians is not to walk eggshells around people like this but to stand with their victims and be there for them. That means praying that the murderer might come to repentance. I'm not going to be nice to people who blame other people for their problems by murdering their families and children. Satan may be evil, but there are also evil people. There are people who do not have a heart and do not want forgiveness.

All we can do is pray that we start taking evil more seriously when we see it. Jesus didn't walk eggshells around evil, and neither should we. If we do, then we'll only be part of the problem. Unconditional forgiveness is not biblical or compassionate. It lets the murderer think they can get away with whatever they want and not have consequences.

I sincerely pray that this man who killed all of these children come to realize the terrible, barbaric, and evil thing he did. I also sincerely pray that we look more deeply into our bibles and start following what it says regarding the oppressed and those who do them wrong.
 
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I am not embarrassed to call myself a Christian because I'm ashamed of Christ. I'm embarrassed to call myself a Christian because I supposedly have the same faith as the people who insist that we be doormats.

Given the recent mass shootings we've been dealing with in the last few years, we as Christians need to remind ourselves that it's not just Satan who makes this world evil, there are also evil people in this world. People who do not have a conscience and do not want forgiveness. I'm not going to hesitate to call what this man did as murder and child killing, and neither should you. Evil is evil, and there is no excuse for it, none. I don't care what this man went through that "drove" him to do this. There is ALWAYS a choice, and he made his choice.

How about this for a news flash? NO ONE can MAKE you do ANYTHING. NO ONE. People CHOOSE to murder and rape and rob and torture and abuse. It is ALWAYS a choice. ALWAYS. Saying it's do to one thing or another is to absolve people like this murderer of their responsibility, which the Bible says we are to hold them to.

I hate it, honestly hate it, when people are quick to forgive. Forgiveness NEVER comes without REPENTANCE. I know that because I read my bible. Only when people REPENT can they be forgiven. And I'm not just talking about saying "I'm sorry." I'm talking about literally begging and actively changing their lives around. Only then can things be made right and the people left in the wake of destruction have any kind of relief.

You can challenge me all you want, but I will be ready with a biblical response. The bible tells us that people who do evil things are without excuse. Some may ask for forgiveness, and some don't, because they don't want it. Forgiveness is not a right, it's not a demand to be made, it's not a commodity. And in a culture that stigmatizes those who refuse to forgive, the added stress can lead to poorer health and slower recovery.

Our job as Christians is not to walk eggshells around people like this but to stand with their victims and be there for them. That means praying that the murderer might come to repentance. I'm not going to be nice to people who blame other people for their problems by murdering their families and children. Satan may be evil, but there are also evil people. There are people who do not have a heart and do not want forgiveness.

All we can do is pray that we start taking evil more seriously when we see it. Jesus didn't walk eggshells around evil, and neither should we. If we do, then we'll only be part of the problem. Unconditional forgiveness is not biblical or compassionate. It lets the murderer think they can get away with whatever they want and not have consequences.

I sincerely pray that this man who killed all of these children come to realize the terrible, barbaric, and evil thing he did. I also sincerely pray that we look more deeply into our bibles and start following what it says regarding the oppressed and those who do them wrong.
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Not being a Christian yet, you have no idea how or why to forgive yet, once more teach as if you're giving lessons on the subject.

Are you even aware, you are as guilty as that guy is? Not saying you're a mass murderer. I'm saying you are just as much a sinner as he is. AND, because of that, you deserve forgiveness just as much as he does -- you don't! You absolutely deserve no forgiveness at all! None of us do!

AND YET, the God who has no guilt, the God who has lived perfectly, as Man and as God, the God who makes your anger look like child's play, has chosen to take on the guilt of whosoever will believe -- and he did take on that guilt with full punishment included -- and love them by saving them.

You're angry with that guy? How about catching on God has more anger than that, and it is directed at you, unless you become saved by that God?
 
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I'm not going to let you judge me on whether or not I'm a Christian. I am because I asked for forgiveness for my sins. I knew I was a sinner, but I'm not anymore. What I mean is my sins no longer define me. That's only possible if one asks God for forgiveness, like this man needs to do.
 
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Nowhere in the Gospels does Jesus teach that forgiveness should be offered unconditionally. In Matthew, Jesus says that church members should forgive each other “seventy times seven times” (18:22), a number that symbolizes boundlessness. However, even though he preaches boundless forgiveness, he does not indicate whether that forgiveness has conditions. “The author of the Gospel of Luke repeats the same story, but adds a condition to forgiveness, stating that church members must forgive boundlessly “if there is repentance” (17:3).


Further, in Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus warns his disciples that there is a sin that will not be forgiven: “Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 12:31-32; Mark 3:29; Luke 12:10). Blasphemy (Greek: blasphemēo) means to speak against or slander. The meaning of “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit” is open to interpretation, but it is clear that there is a sin that God will not forgive under any circumstances. If Jesus teaches unconditional forgiveness, then God must be exempt from that teaching.
 
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You must be a very happy woman safe in the love of God if you think he's angry with you all the time. I however know God loves me. He has forgiven me of my sins. And because of that he's promised he won't ever be angry with me again.
 
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I'm not going to let you judge me on whether or not I'm a Christian. I am because I asked for forgiveness for my sins. I knew I was a sinner, but I'm not anymore. What I mean is my sins no longer define me. That's only possible if one asks God for forgiveness, like this man needs to do.
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You don't have to let me. I still judged you. I'm sure that man didn't let you judge him either, and yet...

And since you don't get how deeply we need forgiveness, again and again, you surely do not understand yet.
 
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I do understand how deeply we need forgiveness. That's why I repented of mine. And this is why I posted this thread.

I'm not going to judge your faith, because I know Christians know that judging people's faith is both an act of disobedience and a lack of faith even if the judgment is correct. It is an act of disobedience because Jesus commanded us not to judge each other's faith, and it is a lack of faith, because if we have faith in Jesus to judge, there is no need for us to do it.

I am confident in my faith because I repented, genuinely. And that's why I posted this, to remind Christians that forgiveness is not free.
 
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always remembering what Love actually consists of so as not to confuse " chastening, rebuking, correcting, teaching, discipling" as "not being Love" Im sure many parent get angry when thier children do certain things, they even discipline them, they tell them the truth that what they did was terribly wrong, they insist that thier Kid stops doing whatever the thing is, and they explain to them " if you keep doing this im warning youm, you are going to get into big trouble" thats Love, even though we have forgotten it as a society.


Hebrews 12 " And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord,nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? 8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. 9Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?10For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that wemight be partakers of his holiness. 11Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby."



so in other words we have to be careful not to be the kid who is explaining Dad never said to clean our bedrooms or else we wont Get to Go to the waterpark tomorrow"...to the other Kids, or that were saying " Dad doesnt ever get angry when we do wrong you know, hell never actually ground us for a mointh, Hell never actually scourge us" or disciline us ...dad Loves us he would never put me over his Kne for my own good to teach me a lesson that i need to learn...


God most certainly Loves us without any debate or argument, i think we have to distinguish How He defines Love, and How man perceives Love and defines it. some parents justly believe " if i spank my kid, im doing terrible damage to them, if i Love them id never spank them, id never ground them because theyll cry and im hurting them then thats not love"


actually, its not Love to not correct bad behaviors and instill respect for others , respect for God, the parents, the elders. discipline and rebuke has its place in Love because bad behaviors Harm and good behaviors Heal . i think if we accept Gods version of Love we find it may be different from our thoughts.


 
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I believe 70 x 7 refers to the parable of the unmerciful servant

here's the passage ...

Matthew 18:29-35

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were outraged and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33 Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’ 34 In anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
 
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HistoryPrincess said:
I'm embarrassed to call myself a Christian because I supposedly have the same faith as the people who insist that we be doormats.
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The people who want Christians to be doormats are cowards and liars. They're cowards if they're afraid to stand up for the truth, lest the world hates them. They're liars if they're trying to deceive Christian into not standing up for the truth. The doormat syndrome has gone a long way in making the church ineffective in our culture.

On a sort of related topic, we' not only not tough on time, but the general attitude seems to be that crime is okay if you're willing to risk paying a modest price for crime. The Left routinely makes martyrs out of criminals and insist that human animals be treated as human beings. This is not compassion, because their motivation is political, not compassion. This is not compassion because being soft on crime contributes to more crime and suffering.
 
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