"The human brain doesn't fully develop until 25."

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I've seen this statement several times on this site, and would like to know, "What does that even mean?"

Sure, scientifically, it means younger brains don't look like older brains, but how does that affect the younger person? Because it seems that is the excuse parents use on not trusting their kids until they're over 25.

Does. Not. Compute.

If we can't trust someone under 25 because their brains aren't fully developed...

-- Why do we trust them to join the military and fight in wars?

-- Why do we trust them to marry at 18?

-- Why can they drive at 16-18 years old?

-- Why do we even educate someone before 25?

-- Why were people like Newton and Luther allowed to finish college before they were 16?

-- Why was Ben Franklin on his own at 12, and a businessman by the time he was 14? Why was John Quincy Adams an ambassador to the Netherlands at 14? Why did none of these boys freak their neighbors out for being who they were oh so young and "under-developed?"

Really, what does that even mean, and why is that used as an excuse to keep adults as children at such and old age? And WHY has that little piece of information come down so hard in the church, when we know age does not produce wisdom? The fear of the Lord does!

Can someone who uses this piece of information, explain this to me? Because I see two kinds of young people on here -- the ones who think they have the same wisdom as 40 year olds, and don't. But I also see 15-18 year olds with the same level of wisdom or even more wisdom than 50 year olds.
 

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good point, I had accepted an 18 year old isn't fully aware on the consequences of their actions. It may depend on how responsible their companions are or how much responsibility their parents instilled in them.
 

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I am completely with you Depleted. No two people are alike, and sometimes seemingly mature people can surprise you. Here is a look at your scientific view:

Main Entry: syn·ap·sis
Pronunciation: se-nap-ses
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural syn·ap·ses /- s z/
:
the pairing of homologous chromosomes that occurs in prophase of the first meiotic division and during which crossing-over may occur.

Understanding how synapsis works: Your brain makes these connections which pass neurons that get different areas of the brain working together.

Neuronal pathways: These are pathways through which nerve messages travel as they move among the various parts of the brain.

Synaptic pruning: When weaker neural connections are thinned and replaced by stronger connections.

Many of these necessary connections only happen as the brain matures. That is why young people are more impressionable. That is also why they have fewer inhibitions and can be led to killing more easily (think child soldiers). The science behind this says our brain connections are not fully developed until mid-twenties.

Anyway, that is why many people want to exclude young people. Some of this makes sense and some does not. I tend to go more by observation than by science. The human psyche is complicated, indeed. When we get to be with our Lord, we will no longer be looking through glass darkly.
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shittim

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here's just one article, do a Google search there are many resources.
/www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708
 
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All parts of the brain have not finished developing. That doesn't mean other parts haven't.
The last part of the brain to develop is the section that affects the ability to recognize consequences. This is why we often see irresponsible and immature behavior even in college age students.

But because some people misuse this information does not negate it. If that were the case Christianity and the very Idea of God would be negated.
Neither does the fact that it may not Always be true make it invid. People that know this information can use it intelligently, not to make excuses to control and limit their kids. People like that will Always find a reason to control their kids. Or make excuses for them.
 

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I've seen this statement several times on this site, and would like to know, "What does that even mean?"

Sure, scientifically, it means younger brains don't look like older brains, but how does that affect the younger person? Because it seems that is the excuse parents use on not trusting their kids until they're over 25.

Does. Not. Compute.

If we can't trust someone under 25 because their brains aren't fully developed...

-- Why do we trust them to join the military and fight in wars?

-- Why do we trust them to marry at 18?

-- Why can they drive at 16-18 years old?

-- Why do we even educate someone before 25?

-- Why were people like Newton and Luther allowed to finish college before they were 16?

-- Why was Ben Franklin on his own at 12, and a businessman by the time he was 14? Why was John Quincy Adams an ambassador to the Netherlands at 14? Why did none of these boys freak their neighbors out for being who they were oh so young and "under-developed?"

Really, what does that even mean, and why is that used as an excuse to keep adults as children at such and old age? And WHY has that little piece of information come down so hard in the church, when we know age does not produce wisdom? The fear of the Lord does!

Can someone who uses this piece of information, explain this to me? Because I see two kinds of young people on here -- the ones who think they have the same wisdom as 40 year olds, and don't. But I also see 15-18 year olds with the same level of wisdom or even more wisdom than 50 year olds.
Hi Lynn

This does compute actually.
The evidence is pretty good here.

As you and others have pointed out clearly this is not a case of suddenly at 25 years of age one's brain switches on like a lightbulb. The process is gradual and completes at 25 years.
Another thing to bear in mind is that any human developmental process is NOT exactly the same in everyone.
Clearly some people are always better at doing certain things than other people, who again are gifted in different areas.

Also, think back to your Bible. In OT times the Israelites, and later the Jews regarded someone at the age of thirteen as an adult able to participate in all adult activities, including going to war, owning a business, getting married etc.
It worked in this time at least partly because all of society was geared to expect 13 year-olds to function as adults.
Even now in modern Jewish societies they still regard the same age as distinguishing a child from an adult. However, because of the way that education has changed it is usual for Jewish young adults to finish school and often complete university before marrying etc. However, particularly looking at their responsibilities in the Synagogue, a 13 year old male has the same potential as an apparently grown man.

So the fact that the brain does not stop developing until 25 is not a barrier to achievement or personal maturity at a younger age.
It is, however, a warning sign that insulting one's brain at a young age with alcohol or other substances that affect brain function (and they are legion) is not a good idea.
It is never a good idea but the effects are worse on a developing brain.
I know that in some jurisdictions that there are moves afoot to change the legal drinking age to 21 from 18 as a result of this research.
 
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I'm so glad since I'm 25 that my brain is fully developed such a load off my mind.
 
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But if the brain hasn't developed enough to understand consequences, what in the world are we doing putting such undeveloped minds into war? Or having children?
 
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shittim

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Yes it was, thank you for posting!
blessings
 
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No two Brains are alike, the range can be a bit wider from around 22 to around 30

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Throughout the lifetime of the human brain it continues to undergo changes.
Let’s review each of the five stages of human brain growth:
Stage 1: 0 to 10 months

  • Neurons and connections growing.
  • Pregnant woman should stay as stress-free as possible, take folic acid, B6 & B12, stimulate this young developing brain with sounds and sensations. Mother should avoid toxins, cigarettes, heavy metals, alcohol, drugs.
Stage 2: birth to 6 years

  • Development of voluntary movement, reasoning, perception, frontal lobes active in development of emotions, attachments, planning, working memory, and perception. A sense of self is developing and life experiences shape the emotional well being.
  • By age six, the brain is 95% its adult weight and peak of energy consumption.
  • Caregivers need to provide nurturing environment and daily individualized communication. Negative or harsh treatment may come with emotional consequences in the future.
Stage 3: 7 to 22 years

  • The neural connections or ‘grey’ matter is still pruning, wiring of brain still in progress, the fatty tissues surrounding neurons or ‘white’ matter increase and assist with speeding up electrical impulses and stabilize connections. The prefrontal cortex is the last to mature and it involves the control of impulses and decision-making.
  • Therefore, teenagers need to learn to control reckless, irrational and irritable behavior. Avoiding drugs, alcohol, smoking, unprotected sex and substance abuse.
Stage 4: 23 to 65 years

  • Finally, the brain reaches its peak power around age 22 and lasts for 5 more years. Afterwards, it’s a downhill pattern. Last to mature and the first to go are the brain functionality of executive control occurring in the prefrontal and temporal cortices. Memory for recalling episodes start to decline, processing speed slows and working memory is storing less information.
  • Best approach is to stay mentally active, learn new things, stay physically active and eat a very healthy diet. Avoid toxins, cigarettes, alcohol and mind-altering drugs.
Stage 5: older than 65 years

  • Brain cells are lost in the critical areas such as the hippocampus responsible for processing memories.
  • Learn new skills, practice mediation to promote neutral emotions, exercise to improve abstract reasoning and concentration.
  • Avoid stress or incorporate stress reducing mediation and exercises.
  • Eat a healthy diet with foods to nourish one’s level of dopamine.
 
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Somehow this became a science question. I was asking a Christian question. The science I can read. The Christian angle isn't included in the reading.
 

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OK. Any brain-regardless of age-is useless and hopeless until it believes in Christ Jesus and is saved. Psalm 110:10; Proverbs 3:5; Romans 12:2
 
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I believe we can trust our kids. God works within them just as He works within us. However, we need to continue to guide them through their foolishness, just as we sometimes need guidance in our foolishness.

When our kids were in high school, one of our sons hung out with a group of friends whose parents allowed co-ed sleepovers. Yeah, that's right girls and boys spending the night together. :confused: The parents assured us that they were home the whole time, the kids were fine, etc., etc.

Our son begged us to let him spend the night at his friends' houses. We told him no. He could go over and hang out but had to be home at midnight.

At one point, our son told us the parents of one of the boys had asked him what was wrong with his parents? Didn't we trust our son?

My husband told him, yes, we do trust you. We trust you to be a teenage boy.

On the other hand, there were times our kids pointed out when my husband or I were distracted from the Lord. It's always refreshing (to me) when a young person can lovingly and respectfully point an elder to God's truth and the elder humbly responds by listening.
 

shittim

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Thank you !
That was a great tool "We trust you to be a teenage boy".
And the elder who listens to the younger.
blessings
 
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OK. Any brain-regardless of age-is useless and hopeless until it believes in Christ Jesus and is saved. Psalm 110:10; Proverbs 3:5; Romans 12:2
hehe that's funny, there must be something in the water, why so many young millionaires here's a small few there's thousands, probably the increase in knowledge thing or I'm a old school dummie lol.

1. Ashley Qualls: The founder of WhateverLife.com got her ingenious idea back in 2004 when she was just 14. Meant to showcase her design skills, the site really took off when Qualls started doling out freebie MySpace layouts. An anonymous buyer offered her $1.5 million and the car of her choice, but she declined.

2. Juliath Brindak:
She began creating sketched characters at age 10, and then developed a complementary social-media platform at 16. Her Miss O & Friends company is now worth an estimated $15 million, though Brindak gets most of her revenue from ads.


3. Sean Belnik:
With just $600, Belnik started an e-tail shop at 16, beginning with small items such as trading cards. He then moved on to furniture, founding BizChair.com and proving a knack for the market. By the time he was 20, he was worth $24 million.


4. Adam Horowitz:
When he was just 15, Horowitz challenged himself to make his first million by his 21st birthday. He's the developer of Mobile Monopoly, which is a tutorial for learning mobile marketing. He reached his goal and earns an anonymous "six-figure income."


5. John Koon:
Koon was only 16 when he kickstarted New York City's inaugural auto parts business, Extreme Performance Motorsports. He scored a deal with MTV to provide products for reality shows, and then used his connection to team up with Young Jeezy for a fashion line. He's already worth $40 million and by all estimates will soon be a billionaire.


6. Cameron Johnson:
By the time he was 11, Johnson's knack for creating greeting cards had earned him thousands and leverage to start his own business. SurfingPrizes.com was his investment strategy, which is a toolbar service that rakes in about $350,000 per month. When he was a high school senior, he was worth at least one million.


7. David and Catherine Cook:
This brother and sister team got rich by creating MyYearbook.com, which remains a player in the social-media realm. Their older brother invested $250,000 in their digital yearbook idea, and today the site is worth about $100 million.


8. Nick D'Aloisio:
At 17, this entrepreneur had designed an app worth $30 million according to Yahoo. He started coding at 12, which led to the development of a news app. He credits an eye for spotting market disparities as his catalyst.


9. Tyler Dikman:
By eighth grade, Dikman was charging $15 an hour to fix computers. His skills caught the eye of Merrill Lynch executives, and he was hired by Malcolm Taaffe at age 15. He soon started his own business, Cooltronics, repairing computers--making millions and scoring him a spot on Businessweek's 25 Under 25 list.


10. Fraser Doherty:
Only 14 when this Scottish entrepreneur began making homemade jams via his grandmother's recipe, his SuperJam business was booming by the time he turned 16. When a major U.K. supermarket asked to stock his products, he took out a $9,000 loan and became a millionaire. His recipe books can be found on Amazon.


11. Captain Sparklez:
This pro gamer began his career by posting how-to videos on YouTube, and then he expanded into a channel offering detailed gaming instruction. One of the highest earning YouTubers today, he's worth more than $8 million.


12. Mark Zuckerberg:
Many people forget that when Facebook's founder started swimming in wealth, he was a young college student. Almost everyone knows the story of Facebook, and Zuckerberg's now one of the wealthiest people in the world, at around $20 billion, regardless of age.


13. Michael Dunlop:
He dropped out of high school after his dyslexia had teachers telling him he'd never be successful. He founded IncomeDiary.com, which today boasts a 12,000 rating on Alexa and earns him a hefty six-figure income. While his blogs aren't flawless grammatically, his business advice is spot on.


14. Andrew Fashion:
Not all teenage millionaire stories have happy endings. Fashion designed mini rocket launchers and was worth more than $2 million by the time he was 20. He then blew it all on women and gambling by the time he turned 22.


15. John Magennis:
Starting a Web design business at 14, Magennis is totally self-taught. Initially he charged just $15 per site, but today he can demand upwards of $30,000 per site. He earned his first million by his 16th birthday.


16. Tim Sykes:
The famous and young stock investor used his bar mitzvah cash for his first investment. He started with penny stocks and was worth more than $1.5 million by his 21st birthday. Today he's also an inspirational speaker and teaches others how to get rich with penny trading.


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Maddie Bradshaw: Featured on Shark Tank, Bradshaw (along with her younger sister and mom) started by designing locker decorations using soda bottle tops because she couldn't find anything similar she liked on the market. She earned $1.6 million in her first year, and by the time she was 16 she had lured an astonishing three "sharks" as investors and partners.


18. Kiowa Kavovit:
The youngest entrepreneur on Shark Tank to date, she was just 6 years old when she pitched Boo Boo Goo to the sharks. Scoring a $100,000 investment, this tiny and newly minted (in 2014) millionaire slings a paint-on bandage designed for kids--of course.


19. Diane Keng:
This 18-year-old entrepreneur is working on her third business, but she first hit paydirt with MyWEBoo, which helps teens manage their online reputations. She's also founded a T-shirt company and a business that helps companies market to teens.


20. Chris Phillips:
Phillips at 17 was already the founder of Dot5Hosting, making his first million by providing Web hosting and domain name registration. At 19, the British techie was making $10 million every single year with no sign of slowing down.


21. Farrah Gray:
What started as a gig selling body lotion at age 6 became founding a business at the age of 13. Gray is the owner of Farr-Out Food, which raked in orders worth $1.5 million by the time he turned 14.


22. Brian Wong:
In charge of Digg's business development strategy at just 19 years old, Wong has since headed up Kiip--a leading mobile rewards company. Already he's earned $15 million in a capital investment campaign alone for Kiip, which is said to be a game changer.


23. Madison Robinson:
A 15-year-old Robinson created Fish Flops, originally only selling flip-flops with teen-centric designs. She soon branched out to include other apparel and even a complementary app. Earning $1 million in sales before she could drive, she epitomizes entrepreneur.


24. Justin Bieber:
The only celebrity to grace this list, Bieber's success is worth noting because of his humble YouTube beginnings. Although media coverage suggests otherwise, he's actually proved himself to be a pretty savvy entrepreneur, branching out into apparel, fragrance, and the like to capitalize on his A-list status.


25. Elise MacMillan:
She had teamed up with her grandmother to make candy ever since she was a toddler. At 11, she worked with her brother in a commercial chocolatier and founded the Chocolate Farm. She earned top spots on lists by Ernst & Young and several other accolades.


26. Athina Onassis Roussel:
While there are many millionaire heirs and heiresses in the world, Roussel is worth noting because she's one of the richest, and comes from a particularly well-known lineage. She is the only surviving descendant of Aristotle Onassis, who was once famously married to Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis.


27. Robert Nay:
A self-taught coder, when Nay was just 14 he drummed up 4,000 lines of code to create the Bubble Ball game. He made it free to download on Apple, and in two weeks more than one million people had downloaded it. He earned $2 million in those two weeks.


28. Julianne Goldmark and Emily Matson:
This duo created hair ties, getting inspiration in the eighth grade when they envied celebrity high-end ties but couldn't afford them. By their senior year of high school, the friends had cashed in on a connection one of their moms' had to Jennifer Aniston, and they now make about $10 million per year.


29. Connor Zwick:
He started toying with Javascript in middle school, and by 19 was making some of the most in-demand tutorials in the industry. The builder of the Flashcards+ app, Zwick eventually dropped out of Harvard to study under PayPal's founder.


30. Scott and Stacey Ferreira:
The brother-sister duo launched MySocialCloud.com when Scott was in college and Stacey was still in high school. However, their entrepreneurial spirit was sparked as young children watching their father work at IBM and Google. A $1 million investment for the cloud-driven social-media platform has already been secured.
 
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Didymous

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If wealth be an indicator of worth- then perhaps the God of Mammon is in view here.
 
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If wealth be an indicator of worth- then perhaps the God of Mammon is in view here.
Thats good question how do know for sure, I don't personal know any of these people, they could be full blown Christians love Jesus with all their heart their devotion could be more than any of us here at CC debating about the bible, wondering what bible to read, pointing out false teachers, belittling people etc. while time ticks by. hard to say without knowledge of their personal beliefs.
 

shittim

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the wealth can be used for the Kingdom.
 
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I would conjecture that the teenagers on this site are not actually teenagers.