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    Because of rebellion, many people have been turned over to witchcraft. Anyone who is rebellious is subject to witchcraft and are not only rebellious against the authorities but are rebellious against God. And many people have turned their children over to Satan, to worship him, and not God. It is because there is no fear of God in them, and they DO NOT LIKE to keep God in their thoughts. So God gives them up to Satan to be corrupted with things that are not actually profitable. Rebellion is witchcraft, anyone who practices rebellion will be judged accordingly.

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    rebellion and witchcraft are both sin but they are not synonomous. to say so would make it too easy for the enemy to enter into the defenses of God's elect by lumping it all together.

    Witchcraft is using the magical arts for selfish reasons and trying to become God by creating abominations in the spiritual world. It is consorting with demons.

    rebellion is doing anything that is not in line with what God has told YOU to do in your life. Rebellion is sin but its different from witchcraft in that many people rebel against God's will in our lives because we don't want to believe that its really God talking. We are comfortable with our lives and don't want to change and become more like God, that is rebellion and sin but I don;t think "God gives them up to Satan" for not understanding.

    The Bible says that no one who have been given into the hands of Jesus Christ will be lost. If we have truly believed that Jesus died for our sins and asked God to come and live in our hearts, then we can struggle with God. Jacob did.

    "authorities" aren't God

    "many people turned their children over to Satan, to worship him, and not God. It is because there is no fear of God in them, and they DO not like to keep God in their thoughts" Ok those people have problems because they deny God and we should pray for them that God will send His grace and save them from Satan.

    I thought this was going to be a logical and reasonable post about witchcraft and how it leads Christian astray versus Spiritual gifts and prophets and how miracles are not considered witchcraft because they were ordained by God and to His glorification and not that of the prophet who did them.

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    Dear Ramon,

    I would like to hear your definition of "rebellion". Are you talking about a child's rebellion against his/her parents? ... An employee's rebellion against his/her superiors? ... Satan's involvement in these types of activities is obvious. However, if you are talking about a people's rebellion against a tyrannical leader (like Egypt and Syria recently, or the United States of America 235 years ago), that is something else again.

    It is hard to equate witchcraft with "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Perhaps the devil thrives on unrest wherever it occurs, but I still think we need to examine the motives for rebellion before condemning it.
    This is the day the Lord has made. We will rejoice and be glad in it. (Psalm 118:24)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmdave17 View Post
    Dear Ramon,

    I would like to hear your definition of "rebellion". Are you talking about a child's rebellion against his/her parents? ... An employee's rebellion against his/her superiors? ... Satan's involvement in these types of activities is obvious. However, if you are talking about a people's rebellion against a tyrannical leader (like Egypt and Syria recently, or the United States of America 235 years ago), that is something else again.

    It is hard to equate witchcraft with "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Perhaps the devil thrives on unrest wherever it occurs, but I still think we need to examine the motives for rebellion before condemning it.
    No rebellion is of God whether rebellion against parents, against employers or against activities and whatever. The only truth that is self-evident is Jesus Christ. The only rights that are justified are the rights Jesus Christ gives. Jesus never told us to pursue happiness. We were told to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. Any motive for rebelling is from Satan, and anyone that rebels is obeying their father Satan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramon View Post
    No rebellion is of God whether rebellion against parents, against employers or against activities and whatever. The only truth that is self-evident is Jesus Christ. The only rights that are justified are the rights Jesus Christ gives. Jesus never told us to pursue happiness. We were told to seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. Any motive for rebelling is from Satan, and anyone that rebels is obeying their father Satan.
    A sword a sword I bring a sword... let me find the Bible verses. God's will is that we fight against the oppressors and throw off the bounds of sin and evil that people and the world will try and bind us with. Jesus message is that we are to rebel against the lust of the flesh and all things that keep us from God.

    Jesus rebelled against the authority of the Pharisees. He overturned the table at the synagogue and told them that they were all theives. These were the people in AUTHORITY at the time. Jesus was a rebel. He's teachings were radical and NOT accepted by parents, employers, or common every day activities and whatever.

    Luke 21 v. 16

    " you will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. and you will be hated by all for My name's sake."

    IF they were doing as you suggest, why would they be betrayed? Jesus wanted us to go against the status quo and make a stand for God. We are to love the world and be a light unto it revealing the things of darkness and gathering to us the things of the light. Holy Spirit is not soft and fluffy but like a fire consuming all, destroying sin and creating a more perfect you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnandaHya View Post
    A sword a sword I bring a sword... let me find the Bible verses. God's will is that we fight against the oppressors and throw off the bounds of sin and evil that people and the world will try and bind us with. Jesus message is that we are to rebel against the lust of the flesh and all things that keep us from God.

    Jesus rebelled against the authority of the Pharisees. He overturned the table at the synagogue and told them that they were all theives. These were the people in AUTHORITY at the time. Jesus was a rebel. He's teachings were radical and NOT accepted by parents, employers, or common every day activities and whatever.

    Luke 21 v. 16

    " you will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. and you will be hated by all for My name's sake."

    IF they were doing as you suggest, why would they be betrayed? Jesus wanted us to go against the status quo and make a stand for God. We are to love the world and be a light unto it revealing the things of darkness and gathering to us the things of the light. Holy Spirit is not soft and fluffy but like a fire consuming all, destroying sin and creating a more perfect you.
    Jesus was not in rebellion to man. Man is in rebellion to Jesus Christ. Jesus was before the world began, so he came to this earth in the flesh to tell a rebellious people the standards of his kingdom in heaven, which is already established forever, AMEN. To people who don't know that Jesus was in the beginning they might say he was in rebellion to the System, but the System was in rebellion to him, since his authority is higher than man's. All rebellion is from Satan. Jesus had nothing to rebel against, he came to testify of the Kingdom, to testify and to be the HIGHEST authority. Anyone that doesn't obey him, though they might say he is just a man, is the one in rebellion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramon View Post
    Jesus was not in rebellion to man. Man is in rebellion to Jesus Christ. Jesus was before the world began, so he came to this earth in the flesh to tell a rebellious people the standards of his kingdom in heaven, which is already established forever, AMEN. To people who don't know that Jesus was in the beginning they might say he was in rebellion to the System, but the System was in rebellion to him, since his authority is higher than man's. All rebellion is from Satan. Jesus had nothing to rebel against, he came to testify of the Kingdom, to testify and to be the HIGHEST authority. Anyone that doesn't obey him, though they might say he is just a man, is the one in rebellion.
    I stand corrected you are right God is the highest authority. He does not rebel against Himself, merely fights upsurps that try to steal His power.

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    Ramon, I thought this video examines what you are talking about very well and considering the experience of the man sharing it...it was just very interesting.

    Stephen Dollins - Satanic, Occult, Pagan, and Witchcraft Symbols - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2Tim3vs16 View Post
    Ramon, I thought this video examines what you are talking about very well and considering the experience of the man sharing it...it was just very interesting.

    Stephen Dollins - Satanic, Occult, Pagan, and Witchcraft Symbols - YouTube




    This thread is from 2011... and Ramon is no longer a member.
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    Oh, lol, I didn't see that. But the topic is relevant none-the-less

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    Uhh, I would have to disagree with this. If somebody is disobedient, how are they subjected to witchcraft? One could be disobedient and have no dedication to the craft.