Xmas is Christmas

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jamie26301

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I get so tired of Christians saying that Xmas takes the Christ out of Christmas. The first Greek letter for Christ is X. So Xmas is just as good as Christmas.
 
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Kooper

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Christmas seems to be an over materialistic celebration for a judgemental fat man and his little pointy-earred minions who create toys for all the "good" children of the world. If anything, this pagan belief should be cast away and banned from everyone's minds and hearts to keep true focus to what is rightious and pure.

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Heh... But really. If you were to strip everything down from the colorful lights to the elves, from Santa to the snowman, or from the songs and presents. We would have what matters most as christians. And that's the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that should be the only reason to celebrate, even if the date is historically inaccurate.

Either way, our actions should reflect what we know. Be it Christmas, or Xmas.

Sidenote: From what I could pick up from my grandmother's bible the symbol X is used as Jesus Christ within the aboriginal bibles around here.
 

jamie26301

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Christmas seems to be an over materialistic celebration for a judgemental fat man and his little pointy-earred minions who create toys for all the "good" children of the world. If anything, this pagan belief should be cast away and banned from everyone's minds and hearts to keep true focus to what is rightious and pure.

:p

Heh... But really. If you were to strip everything down from the colorful lights to the elves, from Santa to the snowman, or from the songs and presents. We would have what matters most as christians. And that's the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe that should be the only reason to celebrate, even if the date is historically inaccurate.
Well, hold on a minute. Santa and such is good for growing imaginations. I don't know many children who grow up hating their parents because they "lied" to them. I grew up with Santa, and I don't resent my parents.

I think it's a matter of concious. If you think Santa does harm, don't teach that to your children. But to tell other Christians they can't do the Santa thing, is to cross the line over to legalism.

Sidenote: From what I could pick up from my grandmother's bible the symbol X is used as Jesus Christ within the aboriginal bibles around here.
Cool! I didn't know that.
 
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Relena7

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I'm not offended when people say Xmas. I guess I had always thought of it like shortened slang.
Besides, we all know exactly which holiday they're talking about anyway. They're not fooling anybody. :p
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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When I was in seminary, we always used X as a short-hand for Christ. In our notes, we would write Xian, Xianity, etc. Never saw it as blasphemous. Even the professors did it.
 

jamie26301

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When I was in seminary, we always used X as a short-hand for Christ. In our notes, we would write Xian, Xianity, etc. Never saw it as blasphemous. Even the professors did it.
Oh, you went to seminary? Preach somewhere?

Btw, interesting note.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Oh, you went to seminary? Preach somewhere?

Btw, interesting note.
I preach occasionally (once or twice a year). My calling is that of music ministry. I currently work in an Episcopal church, where I am a licensed Lay Eucharistic Minister, not ordained into the priesthood. I try to hide in the choir loft as often as they let me, though more and more they get me down in front of the people, teaching new songs to the congregation (as King David wrote, "Sing to the Lord a New Song.") God gave me a gift, and I use it to glorify Him as best as I can. I pray that I continue to follow His calling where ever that may lead me.

Being a psalmist / cantor / minister of music can be a lot more prophetic than many people realize. The Lord speaks to us in many ways: certainly through Scripture, and through preaching. A lot of people don't recognize how much of their theology is shaped by the songs they sing. So yes, I take my vocation seriously.

Thank you for your words.
 

jamie26301

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I preach occasionally (once or twice a year). My calling is that of music ministry. I currently work in an Episcopal church, where I am a licensed Lay Eucharistic Minister, not ordained into the priesthood. I try to hide in the choir loft as often as they let me, though more and more they get me down in front of the people, teaching new songs to the congregation (as King David wrote, "Sing to the Lord a New Song.") God gave me a gift, and I use it to glorify Him as best as I can. I pray that I continue to follow His calling where ever that may lead me.

Being a psalmist / cantor / minister of music can be a lot more prophetic than many people realize. The Lord speaks to us in many ways: certainly through Scripture, and through preaching. A lot of people don't recognize how much of their theology is shaped by the songs they sing. So yes, I take my vocation seriously.
That sounds wonderful! I had borrowed a guitar for a year, thinking I'd eventually put my guitar lessons to practice. I picked it up a few times, but I guess my heart isn't in it. I returned the guitar today.

I have great respect for musicians. It takes talent and calling. And I'm sure you're good at it. :)

Thank you for your words.
You're quite welcome. :)
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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That sounds wonderful! I had borrowed a guitar for a year, thinking I'd eventually put my guitar lessons to practice. I picked it up a few times, but I guess my heart isn't in it. I returned the guitar today.

I have great respect for musicians. It takes talent and calling. And I'm sure you're good at it. :)
The eye does not mock the ear because it is not an eye. God gave us all different gifts. I can't draw a picture to save my life. Seriously. I can't even draw stick-figures! I fail at pictionary. I'm also a terrible cook. God gave me a husband who can cook, so I don't have to worry about that. We each have our own talent, and there is no point in fretting about what we cannot do. If God wanted you to be a rock star, your heart would have been in it this past year :)

Happy Advent, my friend.
 

Dude653

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Well, hold on a minute. Santa and such is good for growing imaginations. I don't know many children who grow up hating their parents because they "lied" to them. I grew up with Santa, and I don't resent my parents.

I think it's a matter of concious. If you think Santa does harm, don't teach that to your children. But to tell other Christians they can't do the Santa thing, is to cross the line over to legalism.



Santa Clause is an idol god
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Well, hold on a minute. Santa and such is good for growing imaginations. I don't know many children who grow up hating their parents because they "lied" to them. I grew up with Santa, and I don't resent my parents.

I think it's a matter of concious. If you think Santa does harm, don't teach that to your children. But to tell other Christians they can't do the Santa thing, is to cross the line over to legalism.



Santa Clause is an idol god
I specifically remember the first Christmas that I didn't believe in Santa Claus. I couldn't have been older than 5, because we were living in a house that we moved out of when I was 5. I may even have been 4.

We left for Christmas Eve services, the tree was in the livingroom, but there were no presents. When we got back from Church, there were presents all around the tree. My parents said, "Look! Santa came while we were at church."

At that tender age, I knew there was no real such thing as Santa. My brother -- he was 6 or 7 at the time -- was very excited, so I didn't say it out loud, but I pulled my mom aside, and said, "I don't know how you guys did this, but I know it was you. There's no such thing as Santa Claus."

Looking back at that, it's kind of sad to think that I never really had a childhood. Maybe that's why, since I was about 26 or 27, I've been so immature as an adult.

Now that I have a 2-year-old, it will be interesting to see what he thinks about Santa.
 

Snackersmom

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Christmas seems to be an over materialistic celebration for a judgemental fat man and his little pointy-earred minions who create toys for all the "good" children of the world. If anything, this pagan belief should be cast away and banned from everyone's minds and hearts to keep true focus to what is rightious and pure. :p
LOl, Kooper, I love your humor :D.

Funny, Snackers said something similar when I caught him booby-trapping the chimney yesterday.........:p
 
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Brandon777

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I get so tired of Christians saying that Xmas takes the Christ out of Christmas. The first Greek letter for Christ is X. So Xmas is just as good as Christmas.
But that's like saying Cmas... pretty lame
 
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Steve4U

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Is it a good thing to encourage imaginings in children? (I'm not sure.)

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TheGrungeDiva

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In one yard last night, a saw a Santa kneeling at a manger. Is anyone else here as thoroughly disgusted by that as I am? I mean, okay, if you want a Santa in your front yard at Christmas, put a Santa in your front yard. If you want a manger scene, put a manger scene. But both? TACKY!
 
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Brandon777

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In one yard last night, a saw a Santa kneeling at a manger. Is anyone else here as thoroughly disgusted by that as I am? I mean, okay, if you want a Santa in your front yard at Christmas, put a Santa in your front yard. If you want a manger scene, put a manger scene. But both? TACKY!
I wouldn't say tacky I would say blasphemous. That's messin with the Holy Christmas story!!!
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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I wouldn't say tacky I would say blasphemous. That's messin with the Holy Christmas story!!!
I'm so glad to hear that. I like to consider myself one who is not easily offended, and that scene offended me.

Yes, you have a good point. Sticking a fictional character (though granted, Santa Claus is based on the historical Saint Nicholas, the resemblance is so far removed it's laughable) into a holy scene is a form of blasphemy. Even if the Santa figure were made to look more like the original St. Nick--thinner, wearing a white robe and a miter rather than the fat man in a red suit we know today--it still would be historically inaccurate, as St. Nicholas lived hundreds of years after Jesus.

If anything, I imagine like those fishes you see on the back of the cars, where the Jesus fish is eating the Darwin fish, only with the Jesus fish eating a Santa, though I'm not sure I like the imagery of violence in such a picture. I don't think Jesus wants us to convert others by eating them or beating them -- just through love. It's just that sometimes the mixing of my sacred religion into the secular world makes me mad.

I just wish people would learn to separate the holy celebration from the profane. Let the pagans have their santa and reindeer and snowmen and exchanges of gifts and eggnog and whatever else they want to do. Just leave Christ out of it. So yes, take the "Christ" out of Xmas. Please DO take my Lord and Savior out of your heathen celebrations; he wants nothing to do with such commercialism, such materialism, and such debauchery.

(And by "you" I'm not referring to Brandon or anyone else on this board ... I'm referring to non-believers who think they can celebrate "Christmas" without paying homage to Jesus.)
 

jamie26301

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In one yard last night, a saw a Santa kneeling at a manger. Is anyone else here as thoroughly disgusted by that as I am? I mean, okay, if you want a Santa in your front yard at Christmas, put a Santa in your front yard. If you want a manger scene, put a manger scene. But both? TACKY!
Actually, this could be theologically correct. Jesus' blood spreads to all generations. It covers St. Nick's sins as well as Mary, and Joseph and the wise men. We celebrate Jesus' birthday and join in with the wise men and shepherds' worship of the Baby Jesus.
 
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Helloimandrewyo

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[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv-7WdpB72o[/video]
 
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Steve4U

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I guess it depends on your point of view.

I think Santa kneeling before the Christ child makes a powerful statement.

(But now I see it offends some Christians I need to rethink before I set it in my yard.)

- - - Sorry, I can't comment on the You tube item as I don't click on those, but I'm sure it's very nice (in an English way of speaking).

(Feel free to throw custard about what I'm missing.)

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