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I believe the verse actually goes: "But now I have written to you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortionist; with such an one no not to eat."
Seeing as how we all sin, I believe (I stress that this is my interpretation/conjecture) that the prose here is advocating that we cast out the hypocrites that decline to repent from the church, lest they cause others to fall.
Seeing as how we all sin, I believe (I stress that this is my interpretation/conjecture) that the prose here is advocating that we cast out the hypocrites that decline to repent from the church, lest they cause others to fall.
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I don't need to validate any judgement of people in the church. It is my right to
point out what I see is wrong behavior. Do you also accuse your preacher of being
judgmental? If you don't feel judged by anything he preaches then your preacher
needs to find another line of work. If what I have said, makes you feel judged, then it
is you who has validated my judgements.
point out what I see is wrong behavior. Do you also accuse your preacher of being
judgmental? If you don't feel judged by anything he preaches then your preacher
needs to find another line of work. If what I have said, makes you feel judged, then it
is you who has validated my judgements.
T
You know what Christians in China pray for, concerning Christians in the USA?
They pray that Christians in the USA get MORE persecutions. They pray this
NOT because they hate Christians in the USA, but because they LOVE us.
They say we are weak in the faith, lazy and carefree. Their point of veiw
is that persecutions will cause us to focus on Christ more and work harder for
Him and be less concerned for our own daily pleasures and entertainment.
Christians in China and other countries HAVE ALREADY JUDGED US Christians
in the USA. I can see the truth also. I'm just siding with them. They have
judged you correctly. Christians in the USA just don't want to face the truth.
They don't want their cage rattled. Well, when the majority of the church
has pointed its finger at you, then you might just want to stop quoting Mat 7:1
and start examining your walk with Christ. Its time for Christians in the USA to
get it in gear.
If you got a problem with what I tell you, then you got a problem with Christians
in the rest of the world also.
They pray that Christians in the USA get MORE persecutions. They pray this
NOT because they hate Christians in the USA, but because they LOVE us.
They say we are weak in the faith, lazy and carefree. Their point of veiw
is that persecutions will cause us to focus on Christ more and work harder for
Him and be less concerned for our own daily pleasures and entertainment.
Christians in China and other countries HAVE ALREADY JUDGED US Christians
in the USA. I can see the truth also. I'm just siding with them. They have
judged you correctly. Christians in the USA just don't want to face the truth.
They don't want their cage rattled. Well, when the majority of the church
has pointed its finger at you, then you might just want to stop quoting Mat 7:1
and start examining your walk with Christ. Its time for Christians in the USA to
get it in gear.
If you got a problem with what I tell you, then you got a problem with Christians
in the rest of the world also.
T
2Ti 3:16-17 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; (17) so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
2Ti 4:1-4 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: (2) preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. (3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, (4) and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
2Ti 4:1-4 I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: (2) preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. (3) For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, (4) and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
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1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
It says I'm a Holy Royal Priest. Thanks for pointing out that I have a right to point out
things.
T
I didn't come out and accuse anyone in the church of sinning, but being lazy and doing nothing.
I pointed out that the country is going downhill and has become a country of abominations
now, and most of the Christians in the USA prefer to do their own desires, rather than be
dedicated to the Lord. And the response I got? "Who are you to judge."
I also pointed out, those Christians will be held accountable. The bottom line to their
arguement is: "They just don't want to hear it."
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and im sure america is the only country in the world that has wickedness
of the Bible, and had the freedom to act and be dedicated to God, and had the
finances to carry out His work, but in the past 40 years, done so little.
The USA had been the moral conscience of the world. Now, it isn't so.
In fact, the USA is becoming a very large third world country. And Christians
try to justify their laziness.
T
Copied from this website: Christian Prayer Quotations - Quotes about Prayer
65. “The great people of the earth today are the people who pray! I do not mean those who talk about prayer; nor those who say they believe in prayer; nor those who explain prayer; but I mean those who actually take the time to pray. They have not time. It must be taken from something else. That something else is important, very important and pressing, but still, less important and pressing than prayer. There are people who put prayer first, and group the other items in life's schedule around and after prayer. These are the people today who are doing the most for God in winning souls, in solving problems, in awakening churches, in supplying both men and money for mission posts, in keeping fresh and strong their lives far off in sacrificial service on the foreign field, where the thickest fighting is going on, and in keeping the old earth sweet a little while longer.” S.D. Gordon (Emphasis added)
66. “Up in a little town in Maine,things were pretty dead some years ago. The churches were not accomplishing anything. There were a few Godly men in the churches, and they said: 'Here we are, only uneducated laymen; but something must be done in this town. Let us form a praying band. We will all center our prayers on one man. Who shall it be?' They picked out one of the hardest men in town, a hopeless drunkard, and centered all their prayers upon him. In a week, he was converted. They centered their prayers upon the next hardest man in town, and soon he was converted. Then they took up another and another, until within a year, two or three hundred were brought to God, and the fire spread out into all the surrounding country. Definite prayer for those in the prison house of sin is the need of the hour.” Dr. R.A. Torrey
(I'm glad those few didn't reply to one another in the typical Mat 7:1 mentality)
65. “The great people of the earth today are the people who pray! I do not mean those who talk about prayer; nor those who say they believe in prayer; nor those who explain prayer; but I mean those who actually take the time to pray. They have not time. It must be taken from something else. That something else is important, very important and pressing, but still, less important and pressing than prayer. There are people who put prayer first, and group the other items in life's schedule around and after prayer. These are the people today who are doing the most for God in winning souls, in solving problems, in awakening churches, in supplying both men and money for mission posts, in keeping fresh and strong their lives far off in sacrificial service on the foreign field, where the thickest fighting is going on, and in keeping the old earth sweet a little while longer.” S.D. Gordon (Emphasis added)
66. “Up in a little town in Maine,things were pretty dead some years ago. The churches were not accomplishing anything. There were a few Godly men in the churches, and they said: 'Here we are, only uneducated laymen; but something must be done in this town. Let us form a praying band. We will all center our prayers on one man. Who shall it be?' They picked out one of the hardest men in town, a hopeless drunkard, and centered all their prayers upon him. In a week, he was converted. They centered their prayers upon the next hardest man in town, and soon he was converted. Then they took up another and another, until within a year, two or three hundred were brought to God, and the fire spread out into all the surrounding country. Definite prayer for those in the prison house of sin is the need of the hour.” Dr. R.A. Torrey
(I'm glad those few didn't reply to one another in the typical Mat 7:1 mentality)
T
Copied from this website: Chinese Christians Pray
Bro Paul: Actually, that is not the case. They very much need missionaries who can come help them and work together-but as equal brothers, not as Western leaders leading the show. That day is well and truly finished, and it is easy to see, they do not need our leadership. This is causing a great burden on the Chinese church. I sat in a meeting when one of the house church leaders stood up and said, "We just don't understand why people are racing into China from the West with their own vision and ideas, doing their own thing." He continued, "Why don't these people come and ask us what God has given to the church?" They are all bringing their new visions, and it is actually damaging the advance of the Gospel in China. The proud westerners do not even think to ask the Chinese church. The key is that first you must find out what vision God has given His body in China, then how you can be part of that vision. Do not bring a new vision.
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Well, then, are you this dedicated? Chinese Christians Pray
Bro Ren: Let us take prayer first. The leaders of the church in China try to pray three to four hours a day. That is normal. But then there are some brethren who are totally committed to pray. Almost every minute they are awake, they are praying. They cannot even be elders in the church because of the amount of time they spend in prayer. They have two kinds of leaders in the church. They have spiritual leaders, who fast and pray; then they have practical operational leaders, who are active in everyday affairs of the church. The praying leaders are praying for the whole church, and especially for the practical leaders. They are not in a preaching ministry. The operational leaders go to them for direction and wisdom. Very few Westerners have ever met these elders. These men are older men who cannot travel anymore, so they are mainly in that ministry. It literally keeps the church on track. They hear from the Lord and give answers to the practical leaders.
Or how about this dedicated?
Bro Ren: There are two kinds of fasting in China. Most of the pastors have to fast because they don't have money to buy food. It is a natural part of their lives. The other kind of fasting is out of a burden for someone or some spiritual issue. When you read from Brother Yun's book, you will read how he fasted one hundred days to get one Bible during the Cold War revolution. He was eating a small bowl of rice each day; that is all. That means there was no time that he wasn't fasting. After one hundred days of prayer and fasting, he received a Bible in a supernatural way. That story is there. It is not in anyway special. The people fast like that often.
It doesn't sound like those guys have the time, nor would want to spend time social networking,
or engage in other pleasure and entertaining practices.
Bro Ren: Let us take prayer first. The leaders of the church in China try to pray three to four hours a day. That is normal. But then there are some brethren who are totally committed to pray. Almost every minute they are awake, they are praying. They cannot even be elders in the church because of the amount of time they spend in prayer. They have two kinds of leaders in the church. They have spiritual leaders, who fast and pray; then they have practical operational leaders, who are active in everyday affairs of the church. The praying leaders are praying for the whole church, and especially for the practical leaders. They are not in a preaching ministry. The operational leaders go to them for direction and wisdom. Very few Westerners have ever met these elders. These men are older men who cannot travel anymore, so they are mainly in that ministry. It literally keeps the church on track. They hear from the Lord and give answers to the practical leaders.
Or how about this dedicated?
Bro Ren: There are two kinds of fasting in China. Most of the pastors have to fast because they don't have money to buy food. It is a natural part of their lives. The other kind of fasting is out of a burden for someone or some spiritual issue. When you read from Brother Yun's book, you will read how he fasted one hundred days to get one Bible during the Cold War revolution. He was eating a small bowl of rice each day; that is all. That means there was no time that he wasn't fasting. After one hundred days of prayer and fasting, he received a Bible in a supernatural way. That story is there. It is not in anyway special. The people fast like that often.
It doesn't sound like those guys have the time, nor would want to spend time social networking,
or engage in other pleasure and entertaining practices.
T
Copied from website: Praying for Persecution
NASHVILLE, TN (ANS) -- A Southern Baptist leader has revealed that the Chinese house church movement is praying that American Christians might experience the kind of persecution they have seen in China so that it would ignite a similar revival in America.
Draper then said, “Once I recovered from the shock of such a profound statement, I thought about the irony: We in America keep praying for God to bless us –- and Christians in other nations are praying God will allow us to experience persecution so that we’ll act like the blessing we were made to be. I shudder at the thought that we are on the road to persecution, brought on because of our own arrogance.
(I'm telling you all the truth. It isn't one person's opinion I give you. IT IS the greater number of
witnesses against all Christians in the USA. But what is your reply to this charge??? Mat 7:1
Judge not lest you be judged! And, "who are you to judge me. Who GAVE YOU the right to judge."
Arrogance, just total arrogance! Go play on facebook! Go play on your cell phone! Go play your
video games! The church is growing over there. It is dying in the USA. And Christians in the USA
ARE TO BLAME!)
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Indeed, this is true, and I blame it all on the Protestant Reformation and the Roman Catholic Church. If it was not for the Roman Catholic Church and its heresies, there would never have been a Protestant Reformation. It is the Reformation which is the reason why everything is so bad in America. The 2 most beloved teachings of the Reformers (teachings of men) Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide, have shipwrecked the faith of many and causes widespread dis-unity. How has it caused widespread dis-unity and loss of faith? Because when people think that they can interpret the Scriptures by themselves then they will, as they have done thousands of times already since the 1517 Protestant Reformation, create new 'churches'. These new 'churches' teach the things which man teaches, not what God and the Holy Spirit teaches. This is what the mark of the beast is, the number of a "man", and those who obey the rationalistic reformers receive the mark of the beast because they teach by the inspiration of man-made rationalism. They try to live the Christian life according to their own understanding and thus they are in grave error. What we need to do is come back to the True Church, the "Ground and pillar of the Truth" (1 Tim 3:15), not the Bible, because the Bible can be interpreted in thousands of different ways; that is why the Bible needs inspired interpreters to discern (by the Holy Spirit) what it is actually teaching us, not what man teaches us. "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." 2Peter 1:20
At least back before the 1517 Protestant Reformation there was only 3 Churches; the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and the Roman Catholic Church... Now there are literally thousands of sects and individual 'churches' which make Christianity into nothing less than a Babylon (confusion).
These huge amounts of divisions and schisms is why things are so bad. People have become deluded by their own interpretations of Christianity and the Scriptures, they even create new 'churches' according to their own understanding, according to a tradition of men. That is why we have such worldliness in our Churches today, people are not submitting to a true form of Christianity but one which they have created. They are creating Christianity as they go along, re-writing the traditions and not standing fast and holding them as we were taught them by St Paul to do. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
They also are totally disobeying the Scriptures which state that there is one Church which is the "Ground and pillar of the Truth" (1 Timothy 3:13), not a diverse number of different schisms and division. "For there must also be sects among you, in order that those who are approved may become recognized among you." (1Cor 11:19 )
Jesus Himself founded a Church, He did not leave us with thousands of different sects. He said the the Apostle: "I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)
Therefore, we need not make up Christianity into our own image but into the image of what Christ gave us from the beginning. He gave us His Church which he said would endure forever. There is no need to walk according to our own understanding and become deceived, thinking that we can understand everything in the Scriptures. In this way, we will avoid making the serious error of claiming ourselves to be wise when reality we are just fools, the blind leading the blind.
At least back before the 1517 Protestant Reformation there was only 3 Churches; the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Church, and the Roman Catholic Church... Now there are literally thousands of sects and individual 'churches' which make Christianity into nothing less than a Babylon (confusion).
These huge amounts of divisions and schisms is why things are so bad. People have become deluded by their own interpretations of Christianity and the Scriptures, they even create new 'churches' according to their own understanding, according to a tradition of men. That is why we have such worldliness in our Churches today, people are not submitting to a true form of Christianity but one which they have created. They are creating Christianity as they go along, re-writing the traditions and not standing fast and holding them as we were taught them by St Paul to do. 2 Thessalonians 2:15 "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."
They also are totally disobeying the Scriptures which state that there is one Church which is the "Ground and pillar of the Truth" (1 Timothy 3:13), not a diverse number of different schisms and division. "For there must also be sects among you, in order that those who are approved may become recognized among you." (1Cor 11:19 )
Jesus Himself founded a Church, He did not leave us with thousands of different sects. He said the the Apostle: "I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18)
Therefore, we need not make up Christianity into our own image but into the image of what Christ gave us from the beginning. He gave us His Church which he said would endure forever. There is no need to walk according to our own understanding and become deceived, thinking that we can understand everything in the Scriptures. In this way, we will avoid making the serious error of claiming ourselves to be wise when reality we are just fools, the blind leading the blind.
T
It has nothing to do with any reform. It boils down to Christians in the USA, making their own
pleasures and self-seeking lifestyle, take priority over following and working for the Lord Jesus.
It boils down to Christians in persecuted countries praying 2 to 4 hours a day, while in the USA,
its mostly 15 minutes at best. And the lack of prayer is the same as trying to take a long trip
with only a 1/4 tank of gas. A lack of praying equates to a lack of works also. A lack of works
equates to a lack of spiritual strength. From there it all crumbles. Here is the lack of work
equates to lack of spiritual strength:
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
There is spiritual lesson here. If anyone is unwilling to work, then that person don't eat. Not
eating is the spiritual weakness. When the Christian prays little, he works little, and has little
spiritual strength. They want a bumper crop without planting seeds. They want to get
paid at work, while not working.
The weak spiritual strength of the country is a reflection of the weak spiritual strength of the
Christians in it. Satan can now have a field day in the USA. Grace is a free gift of God,, but
maturity isn't a free ride. Following Christ isn't a free ride either.
Christians in China aren't compormised by any reform. We are the same body of the same Lord.
When a person starts praying 2 to 4 hours a day, that person gets closer to God, gets spiritual truths, gets the desire to work, and gains the spiritual strength to do works.
pleasures and self-seeking lifestyle, take priority over following and working for the Lord Jesus.
It boils down to Christians in persecuted countries praying 2 to 4 hours a day, while in the USA,
its mostly 15 minutes at best. And the lack of prayer is the same as trying to take a long trip
with only a 1/4 tank of gas. A lack of praying equates to a lack of works also. A lack of works
equates to a lack of spiritual strength. From there it all crumbles. Here is the lack of work
equates to lack of spiritual strength:
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
There is spiritual lesson here. If anyone is unwilling to work, then that person don't eat. Not
eating is the spiritual weakness. When the Christian prays little, he works little, and has little
spiritual strength. They want a bumper crop without planting seeds. They want to get
paid at work, while not working.
The weak spiritual strength of the country is a reflection of the weak spiritual strength of the
Christians in it. Satan can now have a field day in the USA. Grace is a free gift of God,, but
maturity isn't a free ride. Following Christ isn't a free ride either.
Christians in China aren't compormised by any reform. We are the same body of the same Lord.
When a person starts praying 2 to 4 hours a day, that person gets closer to God, gets spiritual truths, gets the desire to work, and gains the spiritual strength to do works.
