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"Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed. The gas chamber in Dachau was never entirely finished or put "into operation." Hundreds of thousands of prisoners who perished in Dachau and other concentration camps in the Old Reich were victims, above all, of the catastrophic hygienic and provisioning conditions: according to official SS statistics, during the twelve months from July 1942 through June 1943 alone, 110,812 persons died of disease and hunger in all of the concentration camps of the Reich."

- Dr. Martin Broszat, from a letter that appeared in the Hamburg weekly Die Zeit under the headline "Keine Vergasung in Dachau." It appeared in the German edition of August 19, 1960, and in the US edition of August 26, 1960 (p. 14).

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Martin Broszat (August 14, 1926 – October 14, 1989) was a German historian specializing in modern German social history whose work has been described by The Encyclopedia of Historians as indispensable for any serious study of the Third Reich...

In an article first published in the Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte journal in 1977, later translated into English as "Hitler and the Genesis of the ‘Final Solution’: An Assessment of David Irving’s Theses", Broszat criticized David Irving's argument in his book Hitler's War that Hitler was unaware of the Holocaust but did accept Irving's argument that there was no written order from Hitler for the "Final Solution to the Jewish Question".[13]

Martin Broszat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

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"As regards the conception properly called of the plan for a total extermination, the three or four principal actors committed suicide in May of 1945. No document has survived or perhaps has ever existed."

- Léon Poliakov, Bréviaire de la haine: Le IIIe Reich et les Juifs, Calmann-Levy, 1951, Livre de Poche, 1974, p.171

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Léon Poliakov (Russian: Лев Поляков; November 25, 1910 in Saint Petersburg – December 8, 1997 in Orsay) was a French historian who wrote extensively on the Holocaust and antisemitism.

Born into a Russian Jewish family, Poliakov lived in Italy and Germany until he settled in France.

He co-founded the Centre de documentation juive contemporaine, established to collate documentation relating to the persecution of Jews during World War II. He also assisted Edgar Faure at the Nuremberg Trial. Poliakov went on to serve as director of research at the National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) from 1954 until 1971.[1]

Léon Poliakov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click
 

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"Last but not least there is what may perhaps be termed the hyperhistorical complex of the survivors. Never before was an event so deeply sensed by its participants as being part of an epoch-shaping history in the making, never before was a personal experience felt to be so historically relevant. The result of this hyperhistorical complex has been that the brief post-war years have seen a flood of "historical materials" -- rather "contrived" than "collected" -- so that to-day one of the most delicate aspects of research is the evaluation of the so-called "research material."

The hyperhistorical complex may be described as judeocentric, logocentric and egocentric. It concentrates historical relevance on Jewish problems of local events under the aspect of personal experience. This is the reason why most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilletante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies. The question thus arises whether participants of such a world-shaking epoch can at all be its historians and whether the time has already come when valid historic judgment, free of partisanship, vindictiveness and ulterior motives, is possible."

- Jewish writer Samuel Gringauz, article in Jewish Social Studies published in New York City in January 1950, Vol. 12, p. 65.
 

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"Over half of the 20,000 testimonies from Holocaust survivors on record at Yad Vashem are "unreliable" and have never been used as evidence in Nazi war crimes trials, Yad Vashem Archives director Shmuel Krakowski has told The Jerusalem Post.

Krakowski says that many survivors, wanting "to be part of history" may have let their imaginations run away with them. "Many were never in the places where they claim to have witnessed atrocities, while others relied on second-hand information given them by friends or passing strangers" according to Krakowski.

"A large number of testimonies on file were later proved inaccurate when locations and dates could not pass an expert historian's appraisal."

- "Doubts Over Evidence Of Camp Survivors", The Jerusalem Post, August 17, 1986.
 

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"…. on the lowest computation 12 million men, women, and children, are done to death. Not in battle, not in passion, but in the cold, calculated, deliberate attempt to destroy nations and races, to disintegrate the traditions, the institutions, and the very existence of free and ancient states. Twelve million murders. Two-thirds of the Jews in Europe exterminated, more than 6 million of them on the killers’ own figures. Murder conducted like some mass production industry in the gas chambers and the ovens of Auschwitz, Dachau, Treblinka, Buchenwald, Mauthausen, Maidanek, and Oranienburg."

- Closing statement of Sir Hartley Shawcross at the Nuremberg IMT.


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"Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed."

- Dr. Martin Broszat


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...did Browning say that the western camps, such as Dachau, Ravensbrück and Buchenwald, did not have Jews in them?

...They are not, in my opinion, extermination camps, though many people died there."

- Summary of the transcript, cross examination of Christopher Browning by Attorney Douglas Christie at the second trial of Ernst Zundel, Canada, 1988.

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"there were no extermination camps on German soil."

- Simon Wiesenthal.
 

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Holocaust denial is the act of denying the genocide of Jews in the Holocaust during World War II.[1] The key claims of Holocaust denial are: the German Nazi government had no official policy or intention of exterminating Jews, Nazi authorities did not use extermination camps and gas chambers to mass murder Jews, and the actual number of Jews killed was significantly (typically an order of magnitude) lower than the historically accepted figure of 5 to 6 million.[2][3][4]
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"It is true that there were no extermination camps on German soil and thus no mass gassings such as those that took place at Auschwitz, Treblinka and other camps. A gas chamber was in the process of being built at Dachau, but it was never completed."

Simon Wiesenthal, "Gassings in Germany" The Stars and Stripes European Edition, Sunday, January 24, 1993 pg. 14.

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All photographs of heaps of corpses were taken in Western camps around the end of the war, such as Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, and Buchenwald, where historians now agree no mass murders took place.

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can anyone explain to me how this works?

WHO IS IN CHARGE OF REVISING STUFF? who is allowed to?

Simon Wiesenthal can 'deny' or revise in 1993 what the world was told for 50 years was true and now is known to be NOT TRUE?

and what the world is STILL SHOWN over and over even though it is NOT TRUE?

will he be brought up before a tribunal for Holocaust Denial?


i HATE being deceived and lied to.
i abhor it.
 

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"It is true that there were no extermination camps on German soil and thus no mass gassings such as those that took place at Auschwitz, Treblinka and other camps. A gas chamber was in the process of being built at Dachau, but it was never completed."

Simon Wiesenthal, "Gassings in Germany" The Stars and Stripes European Edition, Sunday, January 24, 1993 pg. 14.

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"Around the world, the Jewish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Jews were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Jews were killed – more than the entire Jewish population of Israel today."

- President Obama, speech in Cairo, Egypt, 2009

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"Neither in Dachau nor in Bergen-Belsen nor in Buchenwald were Jews or other prisoners gassed."

- Dr. Martin Broszat

 

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MAY 23, 1943

Nazis Suffocate Jews in Groups of 500 in Special “steam Chambers”

LONDON, May. 21 (JTA) –

Thousands of Jews in Poland who are being deported by the Nazis to "unknown destinations" are actually being exterminated by suffocation in groups of 500 in special "steam chambers" erected in several concentration camps, it was learned here today when a 63-page report giving details of the mass-extermination reached this country.

The report, which will be published as a "Black Paper," reveals that in the notorious Treblinka concentration camp "installations have been set up to enable the suffocation of 5,000 Jews daily." These installations are now being enlarged, the report adds. It describes how the victims, before being driven into the steam chambers, are forced to take off their clothing and stand naked for hours in the open. Similar procedure is followed in other "Jewish camps."

Nazis Suffocate Jews in Groups of 500 in Special &#8220;steam Chambers&#8221; < click


this also has been proven to be a lie.
 

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Article 19: 'The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence'.

Article 21: 'The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge, but shall take judicial notice thereof.'

-International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg Trials, articles 19, 21.
 

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"In the monograph on Mauthausen that I published in Revue d’Histoire de la [Deuxième] Guerre mondiale in 1954, I mentioned a gas chamber on two occasions. When the time of reflection had arrived, I said to myself: where did you arrive at the conviction that there was a gas chamber in Mauthausen? This cannot have been during my stay in this camp, for neither myself nor anybody else ever suspected that there was one there. This must therefore be a piece of ‘baggage’ that I picked up after the war; this was [an] admitted [fact] but I noticed that in my text - although I have the habit of supporting most of my affirmations by references-there was none referring to the gas chamber . . ."

Journalist: "You were president of the Calvados (Normandy) Association of Deportees, and you resigned in May, 1985, why?"

"I found myself torn between my conscience as a historian and the duties it implies, and on the other hand, my membership in a group of comrades whom I deeply love, but who refuse to recognize the necessity of dealing with the deportation as a historical fact in accordance with sound historical methods. I am haunted by the thought that in 100 years or even 50 years the historians will question themselves on the particular aspect of the Second World War which is the concentration camp system and what they will find out. The record is rotten to the core. On one hand a considerable amount of fantasies, inaccuracies, obstinately repeated (in particular concerning numbers), heterogeneous mixtures, generalizations and, on the other hand, very close critical studies that demonstrate the inanity of those exaggerations. I fear that those future historians might then say that the deportation, when all is said and done, must have been a myth There lies the danger. That haunts me."

- Michel de Boüard, a former inmate of Mauthausen in the 'NN' category, a professor of history at the University of Caen (Normandy), a member of the Committee for the History of the Second World War and a member of the Institute of France and former head of the Association of Deportees as quoted in 'Ouest-France', August 2-3, 1986, p. 6.
 

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"Every one is free to interpret a phenomenon like the Hitlerite genocide according to his own philosophy. Everyone is free to compare it with other enterprises of murder committed earlier, at the same time, later. Everyone is free to offer such or such kind of explanation; everyone is free, to the limit, to imagine or to dream that these monstrous deeds did not take place. Unfortunately they did take place and no one can deny their existence without committing an outrage on the truth. It is not necessary to ask how technically such mass murder was possible. It was technically possible, seeing that it took place. That is the required point of departure of every historical inquiry on this subject. This truth it behooves us to remember in simple terms: there is not and there cannot be a debate about the existence of the gas chambers."

- Pierre Vidal-Naquet, professor at the School of Higher Studies in the Social Sciences in Paris, 'Le Monde' newspaper, 21 February 1979.

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why not?


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"there were no extermination camps on German soil"

Simon Wiesenthal 1993
 

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The conclusions of the early U.S. Army investigations as to the truth about the wartime German concentration camps have since been corroborated by all subsequent investigators and can be summarized:

1. The harrowing scenes of dead and dying inmates were not the result of a German policy of "extermination," but rather the result of epidemics of typhus and other disease brought about largely by the effects of Allied aerial attacks.

2. Stories of Nazi supercriminals and sadists who turned Jews and others into handbags and lampshades for their private profit or amusement were sick lies or diseased fantasies; indeed, the German authorities consistently punished corruption AND cruelty on the part of camp commanders and guards.

3. On the other hand, the representations of the newly liberated inmates to have been saints and martyrs of Hitlerism were quite often very far from the truth; indeed, most of the brutalities inflicted on camp detainees were the work of their fellow prisoners, in contravention of German policy and German orders.

4. The alleged homicidal showers and gas chambers had been used either for bathing camp inmates or delousing their clothes; the claim that they had been used to murder Jews or other human beings is a contemptible fabrication. Orthodox, Establishment historians and professional "Nazi hunters" have quietly dropped claims that inmates were gassed at Dachau, Buchenwald, and other camps in Germany. They continue, however, to keep silent regarding the lies about Dachau and Buchenwald, as well as to evade an open discussion of the evidence for homicidal gassing at Auschwitz and the other camps captured by the Soviets.

The Liberation of the Camps by Theodore J. O'Keefe < click
 

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TYPHUS, NOT POISON GAS

If not by gassing, how did the unfortunate victims at Dachau, Buchenwald, and Bergen-Belsen perish? Were they tortured to death? Deliberately starved? The answers to these questions are known as well. As Dr. Larson and other Allied medical men discovered, the chief cause of death at Dachau, Belsen, and the other camps was disease, above all typhus, an old and terrible scourge of mankind which until recently flourished in places where populations were crowded together in circumstances where public health measures were unknown or had broken down. Such was the case in the overcrowded internment camps in Germany at war's end, where, despite such measures as systematic delousing, quarantine of the sick, and cremation of the dead, the virtual collapse of Germany's food, transport, and public health systems led to catastrophe.

Perhaps the most authoritative statement of the facts as to typhus and mortality in the camps has been made by Dr. John E. Gordon, M.D., Ph.D., a professor of preventive medicine and epidemiology at the Harvard University School of Public Health who was with U.S. forces in Germany in 1945. Dr. Gordon reported in 1948 that "The outbreaks in concentration camps and prisons made up the great bulk of typhus infection encountered in Germany." Dr. Gordon summarized the causes for the outbreaks as follows:

"Germany was in chaos. The destruction of whole cities and the path left by advancing armies produced a disruption of living conditions contributing to the spread of the disease. Sanitation was low grade, public utilities were seriously disrupted, food supply and food distribution was poor, housing was inadequate and order and discipline were everywhere lacking. Still more important, a shifting of populations was occurring such as few countries and few times have experienced." (5)

Dr. Gordon's findings are corroborated by Dr. Russel Barton, today a psychiatrist of international repute, who entered Bergen-Belsen with British forces as a young medical student in 1945. Barton, who volunteered to care for the diseased survivors, testified under sworn oath in a Toronto courtroom in 1985 that "Thousands of prisoners who died at the Bergen-Belsen concentration camp during World War II weren't deliberately starved to death but died from a rash of diseases."(6) Dr. Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvations but had decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well-equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

Despite noisily publicized claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.

The Liberation of the Camps by Theodore J. O'Keefe < click

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'THE FINAL SOLUTION' WAS DEPORTATION

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disgraceful and sickening enough.
fascism and racism and hate.
aryanism and supremacy garbage.


The Madagascar Plan was a suggested policy of the Nazi government of Germany to relocate the Jewish population of Europe to the island of Madagascar.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan < click


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but this other thing on top of all that?


this perpetual deception about it all?
this is something else altogether.

eh...it's like everyone is sleep-walking.
the truth is everywhere.
hidden in plain sight.
 
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Ken.

i know your love and understanding of music, but i draw the line here: "and express the musical ratio, and also earth and heaven" < how you make this leap is beyond me.

it may be beyond the scope of this thread specifically, but i think all that stuff should be avoided completely
I'm keeping my answer short, just to let you decide if you want to pursue it: Te'amim are musical notes inserted in the Masoretic text. Probably invented 300BC, to maintain the melodies against corruption when LXX came in. They have names, and the names suggest a journey from earth to heaven. The names of these two symbols can be related to earth and heaven. These two are in the ratio of 3/2, the ratio of notes on the shofar (best scholarly opinion, 70-80% likely). The same symbols can be, and are made with the hands as part of the direction of ancient musical groups. This technique is illustrated in tombs from 1500BC Egypt and was used for Gregorian chant in Rome. Plato and Pythagoras both explored this, and the Hindu Vedas also mention a related concept as part of creation. This supports that the 6/4 may be pre-Moses and worldwide, not simply middle ages Kaballah.
 
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When I posted the 6 million Jews in the holocaust, I looked no further than wikipedia to "verify" what I learned as a child. I am well aware that there are very many people who disagree with this number. I deliberately wanted to get an unproven, but "commonly accepted" number, since all I was comparing it to was a legend anyway. Legends contain an internal consistency of their own. Folklore, whether Kaballah or holocaust reports, express something that humans seem to thrive on. Some kind of consistency of information to the point where we alter history to get it to be consistent. I think that some parts of Scripture are used by God to respond to our need for folklore, as well as our need for truth. God never lies, but He ministers to all of our needs, including our need to sometimes have an altered truth. Pretty clearly, the subject of the OP is in that category.
 

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The Separation of the Spiritual from the Physical has begun.

Posted on December 16, 2008 by Jeffrey Meiliken

What is going on right now? Can things get worse?

The spiritual tenet of kabbalah that has been lost on everyone is that when looking to solve a physical problem the only solution is a spiritual one. You can’t solve physical (material) problems with physical answers–throwing money at a situation only throws money away, but I guess we’re all learning that lesson the hard way. And there’s a reason that we’re all learning it now.

The Torah (Bible) set up a system for us, gave us a time frame, and the tools with which to navigate through that system and time span. Only we’ve chosen not to follow that system and to ignore the tools and laugh at the time frame. It’s time we pay attention. It’s no coincidence that people are being separated from their physical belongings and at astounding, imperceivable, rate. How many times have you heard dumbfounded people say “Who could have foreseen this?” in the past year?

The Chronicles of Esau in Genesis 36:1-43 contain a lot of names; why is this important to us? Many of the righteous mentioned so far in the Torah have had their own Chronicles (books) listed, but why should Esau have one? Wasn’t he the hated, bad seed brother?

Since we can know nothing by looking at its cover, let’s remove the wrapping and take a peek inside. And there is a the curious phrase, repeated several times, staring at Genesis 36:1 “Esau, that is Edom,” “AShV HVE EDVM.”

While Vav (V) is the most numerous letter in the Torah, there’s preponderance of them in this chapter 36. Perhaps since vav(V) has the numerical value of 6, and 36 is 6 x6 and the sum of all the integers from 1 – 36 = 666 there is some logical connection to Genesis 36 that we can find.

Nevertheless, the curious phrase, repeated several times, that “Esau, that is Edom,” “AShV HVE EDVM” seems to want to tell us something and each of the 3 words does contains a vav (V), making VVV or “666 leaving us with (AShHE and EDM) or the numerical value of Shalom, peace (376) and Adam, whose total gematria is 421 + 3 (kolel for the 3 words) = 424, that of Mashiach Ben David.

What’s the connection?

We know that 666 is tied into the coming of the Messiah and the dates 5778 HC (2018 CE) from the kabbalists in a good way.

And we know that because of Revelations, the Christians (Edomites) have tied it in in a bad way, but if you email us we’ll let you know what Kabbalah reveals about that ominous number of the beast prophecy.

The Arizal explains that the 8 Edomite Kings represent the physical aspect of the sefirot. To understand this we must first understand that in the Kabbalistic scenario of the vessel and the light, the vessel is also made of light and thus the same thing can have have two seemingly opposite aspects, and indeed needs to have it for existence in our world. In a sense, our world cannot hold true purity which is why the light we receive gets filtered down through all the sefirot (dimensions) and which is why the Torah is so deeply encoded behind so many layers (or veils) of truth.

Esau, that is Edom, represents the Physicality, the vessel aspect of the light, which is why Esau and Edom, etc had to be spelled with the the letter vav (V). Because, as it is known, the vav (V) plays the role of channel, and a vessel cannot channel light, only receive it.

In Genesis 36:31 it says, “These were the Kings that reigned in Edom before any Israelite King reigned.” which is saying that the Edomites must precede the Israelities in the land of Malchut (kingdom), as physicality must make a vessel to hold the spirit.

Edom is the physical Adam. Adam is the spirit (ruach) and if you recall from previous posts that Adam (EDM) is the spirit of Adam-David-Mashiach. Adam also held (was a composite of) the 600,000 souls that journeyed 2018 years from Creation to the Covenant of Abraham that lived through 430 of exile until receiving the Torah together in 2448 HC.

We know that it’s part of our correction to recoup those holy sparks that fell from the worlds of the 8 kings and that were scattered among the 70 nations, and when enough of them have been gathered, Moshiach (the Messiah) will come to elevate the whole plane-of-existence, which is why we’ve been in exile.

We also know that Israel has been in exile amongst the 70 Nations (which spiritually are the branches of the tree-of-life) for much of the 3330 years (66.6 jubilee years) since the giving of the Torah and certainly since the Second Temple was destroyed in 70 CE (3830 HC). ut even before the Second Temple was destroyed Israel lived under Rome, also known as Edom, so as indicated by the first letters of Esau, father of the Edomites, (AShV EBY EDVM) which stand for A (70) and the two alefs (E,E) for two elef, or 2000, we have 2000 years among the 70 nations.


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SIGH....:rolleyes:
 

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If you want to look for Bible code signs, I suppose you could say that 9/11 heralded the beginning of the end, of the final 18 year period when one way or another the holy sparks would have to be separated out and elevated, and to say the period hence has been an unsettled one would be an understatement.

What has begun is the forcefully separation of people from their material belongings, and the process has been speeding up as we get closer to 2018.

Was the location of the 9/11 attack a coincidence?

In order to break through the illusions of physical reality to the tree-of-life reality, what is being separated is the material (physical) from the spiritual; people from their belongings. And where were those belongings concentrated? In 2001, 42% of all the profit in America was made in financial services through Wall Street.

So was 9/11 a divine act?

Everything is a divine act, but not usually a spiritual one. Hurting someone you don’t like is not spiritual; it’s the worst kind of physical act. Helping someone, like Jacob did with Esau is the spiritual blueprint.

So what’s going on?

After 9/11, the US economy alone lost a trillion dollars. Then another trillion went down the black holes of Iraq and Afghanistan. Another trillion was siphoned off to import hyper-priced oil from the mid-east and other oil rich nations that tell us daily how much they hate us.

Next, after a few localized real estate bubbles started bursting the country took notice that people were being separated from their homes in foreclosures, and instead of applying compassion and solving the cause of the problem, the government and the financial institutions and the myriad academics that advise them, all decided to throw money at the symptoms–to give money to the very institutions that were kicking them out of their homes. How do you think that was going to play out spiritually?

For the past 2000 years it probably would have been a good bet–give money to the rich and powerful and they’d see to it you’d stay in power, while the poor and meek wouldn’t be heard from again, and if they were heard from so much time would have passed that cause and effect would have been completely divorced in people’s minds. Not anymore; cause is becoming effect.

What actually happened next was a downward spiral, where tens, then hundreds, and now over a trillion dollars of the government’s (the people’s) money was thrown away and lost in trying to prop up misguided corporations that were still trying to profit from people’s misfortune. Meanwhile, even more people lost their homes, and then still more. At the same time that everyone was trying to solve physical problems with ill-advised physical solutions, the marketplace (Wall Street, where 9/11 first hit) lost about $7 trillion in value, gone in months, weeks, days, thus washing away years and decades of savings and investments by people who had planned on living off those physical assets. Then came the bankruptcies and the layoffs, and thus even more separation of people form their belongings. The spiral became faster as the newly unemployed couldn’t pay their mortgages. And the big talk in the papers was whether the Wall Street bonuses to all those people who cost everyone trillions would decline by half or only by a third?

So in the midst of this financial turmoil, the criminals and fraudsters couldn’t maintain their rouses and the headlines shifted to people who had had their life savings stolen, wiped out overnight.

And we voted in a new government, that somehow seems to be shaping itself with most of the same players as the previous governments that made all these wrong decisions. And what’s their plan: throw more money at it? A few hundred million more here, and a trillion in infrastructure construction there–rebuild the physical. Have you ever seen government contractors repair roadways and potholes; what should take days or weeks always takes years and never ever gets completed. Even if all those white collar office workers and blue collar assembly line employees who lost their jobs and dolare in danger of losing their homes would possibly find work amongst the illegal aliens on the construction sites, that trillion dollars will be lost in potholes before the first one ever gets filled.

And where are all those trillions coming from? Printing presses. That’s called devaluation. The government is wastefully devaluing all our hard currency, thus punishing everyone, even those that didn’t invest in the stock market or real estate market. The physical/material continues to evaporate.

And it’s only the beginning.

And this just describes what’s happening in the US. The problem is global and being played out similarly all over the world. As our charities dry up and our funding of relief efforts around the world stop cold, millions will suffer even more than us. And as our penchant for importing rather then manufacturing stops at our empty wallets every nation and village of the world will feel the impact, many with economies far more fragile than ours. And it’s a global spiraling effect, as they import less from us, we hurt more and contract even further. Meanwhile, people must eat, and anger spreads. Health care languishes because people are forced to make choices and food comes first; next comes the health crises, the viruses, pandemic diseases, and unchecked plagues. G-d forbid!

Was there no warning?

Sure there was. Katrina. That was huge missed opportunity for our government and institutions to show compassion.

So is the end in sight?

Sure it is. The year 2018 CE. But as for a solution to our physical problems; it’s always been there. Unconditional love. The plight millions of us are suffering now can only be felt on an individual basis and can only be solved that way too. We don’t feel compassion at hearing about a million starving people in Africa; we feel it (an entire nation feels it) for a stranded whale on a beach. Why? Because we don’t have the capacity to comprehend more than a small dose of suffering. That doesn’t make us spiritual; it makes us human. So we must do what we’re capable of. Instead of thinking about how to save 10 million foreclosures, we need to feel the suffering of the individual and his family that are losing their single home. We must put a stop to that. We must use our physical world to feel the pain of our neighbors and to physically help them with our own money and our own hands, one by one, each of us. We must share what we have, while we still have it.

It’s simplistic, as the spiritual always is, but if the government was as concerned for the individual homeowner as it was for the share price of Goldman Sachs none of this would have happened. If they would have created a superfund like they did years ago to clean up the toxic dumps, and put their money in conjunction with the money of the financial institutions that had the most to lose towards helping the 5% of the homeowners that needed immediate help and easing the situation for another 5%, we’d all be physically fine right now. And yes they’d have to put in some regulation and controls to avoid making more bad sub-prime loans in the future, but if they did that with the heart to protect people rather than their assets under management it would all work out fine. The outcome of our actions are directly linked now to the consciousness behind them.

But they didn’t and those options are a lot more difficult right now since so much has been lost already and so many more people are in trouble. So we go back to what we can do as individuals: We must share what we have, while we still have it. If not, the end truly is in sight and we will be the ones who need the help. The Bible (Torah) gave us a very simple system. It all boiled down to one line:

Vayikra (Leviticus) 19:18 “You must love your neighbor as (you love) yourself. I am God.”

Could it be any plainer, any simpler, any clearer? This is how we separate the spiritual from the physical.

That message was reinforced by more than a billion people since the year 3760 HC (0 CE) yet in crisis after crisis, opportunity after opportunity, it was lost. Yes, the world became very religious in the past 2000 years, but where was the love? Where was the spiritual?

What were the “revolting practices with which they worship their gods,” from Deuteronomy (Devarim) 20:18. It was idol worship, the worship of money, of the material.


The Titans of Wall Street became the gods, and the rock stars, sports heroes, movie stars, anyone with huge conspicuous wealth. We worshiped them. We worshiped the McMansions, the home theater systems, the exotic vacations, the giant SUVs, and the designer clothes.

We forgot our human dignity, our soul, the aspect of G-d and the souls within our suffering brethren. It’s not too late. It may be more difficult to find the physical means to help someone now, but those that need it are that much closer to us. We must all take our hands out of our pockets and reach out to one another.

B”H May G-d help us to help each other that we may all elevate above our physical trappings and receive Mashiach (Messiah) consciousness together.

The Separation of the Spiritual from the Physical has begun. | KabbalahSecrets.com < click



translation: everything is Esau's fault, Esau is Edom, Esau is Code for Christians (Edomites are Christians) and supposedly everything that is happening in the world is a result of the false religion of the last 2000 years - Christianity.

Wall Street and related criminality is Christian doing.

opportunity after opportunity lost for 2000 years.

but, apparently there is hope to recover all those sparks wasted on Edomites.

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And adding to this separation of the physical from the spiritual we know that there are exactly 600,000 – 408 composite letters in each sefer Torah, not 600,000, yet we also know that these correspond to the 600,000 Jewish souls at Mt Sinai, and the different is 408 letters. Now, while 408 x 6 (vav) equals 2448, the year the Torah was received by the 600,000 at Sinai, 408 is also 51 x 8 or the value of Edom x the 8 Kings. Without the physical component, there would be nothing to house the much larger spiritual one, which also shows us that it only takes a small physical action to activate a lot of spiritual benefit.

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this is what happens to the minds which will not (can not?) acknowledge Jesus Christ, but instead actively work against Him.


reduced to reading tea leaves or peering into white spaces between letters to explain why 70AD happened.


John 5:39
You pore over the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, yet they testify about Me.
 

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so what is this sickness really all about?

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Shevirat ha-Kelim (Breaking of the Vessels)

According to Luria, the ten vessels that were originally meant to contain the emanation of God's light were unable to contain that light and were hence either displaced or shattered. As a result of this cosmic catastrophe, the Sefirot, the archetypal values through which the cosmos was created, are shattered and out of place, and the world within which we reside, is composed of the shards of the these broken values. It is significant that for the Kabbalists, only 6 of the 10 Sefirot (from Chesed to Yesod) were fully shattered (Malchut, the final vessel was broken partially). Had all of the vessels, including, Keter, Chochmah, and Binah, been shattered, the universe would have been thrown back into the state of complete and utter chaos, the toho and bohu prior to creation. As it is, the three highest Sefirot, which represent Will, Wisdom, and Understanding, remained intact; only the six Sefirot representing the spiritual, moral, aesthetic and material values were broken, and are, hence, in need of restoration or repair (Tikkun). Nevertheless, the Breaking of the Vessels is a truly cataclysmic event. Will, Wisdom and Understanding remain, but all other values, particularly those embodied in the cultural and symbolic order of mankind, have been shattered. Further, while certain forms (may) remain, their embodiment in matter, is chaotic and confused. The Breaking of the Vessels is, according to the Lurianic Kabbalah, a clearing of the decks, a fresh start, and a challenge to the structures that we equate with our own civilized life. It is, in short, an eruption of chaos into the heart of our spiritual, conceptual, moral and psychological structures.

There is also a decided erotic aspect to the Breaking of the Vessels. The vessels, as described by Luria's most important disciple, Chayyim Vital, are envisioned as being located in the womb of the feminine Partzuf, the Cosmic Mother, an expression of the age-old symbol of the feminine as "vessel", "receptacle" and "container". Further, the shattering of these vessels brings about a state of affairs in which the masculine and feminine aspects of the cosmos, which had hitherto been in a "face to face" sexual conjunction, turn their backs upon one another and become completely disjoined. The "chaos" brought about by the Shevirah ("breakage") leads to an erotic alienation, a condition that can only be remedied through a rejoining of opposites through a renewed coniunctio of the sexes. At the same time, like the water that breaks signaling the birth of a new human life, the Breaking of the Vessels also heralds a new birth, that of a new personal and world order to be completed by man in the process of Tikkun.


Breaking of the Vessels, Shevirat ha-Kelim < click


- the spiritual, moral, aesthetic and material values were broken, and are, hence, in need of restoration or repair (Tikkun).

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

- the Breaking of the Vessels is a truly cataclysmic event.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED AND IN PROCESS

- Will, Wisdom and Understanding remain, but all other values, particularly those embodied in the cultural and symbolic order of mankind, have been shattered.

Will, Wisdom and Understanding was not given to anyone but the chosen few who received the "Torah (Oral)", who have taken on themselves the task of bringing the nations into line.

- At the same time, like the water that breaks signaling the birth of a new human life, the Breaking of the Vessels also heralds a new birth, that of a new personal and world order to be completed by man in the process of Tikkun.

a New World Order.
since the one that has existed for 2000 years has all those sparks mingled among the klippot.
the old world order must be shattered, and a new age ushered in where MAN
(who is a man?) will repair and rebuild what their g-d got wrong when he sinned.




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so pardon me if i have a problem with this religion.
and particularly a problem with it assaulting the Christian faith.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
 

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[video=youtube;PWCOjOj4RAU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWCOjOj4RAU[/video]

Jewish David Cole in Auschwitz Full Documentary
 
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this is what happens to the minds which will not (can not?) acknowledge Jesus Christ, but instead actively work against Him.
I agree the sickness is spritual. I agree that the prescription of the Kabballah is not the correct formulation of medicine. It's a shame you had to post all this text to demonstrate the conclusion of yours I quoted. Is the purpose of the thread to investigate the number six million, or to show how irrelevant the thinking that led to it is?
 

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JDL in America

David Cole: Monstrous Traitor
By Robert J. Newman



He has managed to stir the gullible masses with hatred, lies and deception. Just like a low-lying snake that slithers from dark place to dark place, he spreads his venom to innocent victims.

This is David Cole, who takes pride in his demonic occupation: Holocaust denier of the Six Million Jews.

Cole is a young Jewish man with an evil plan: To alter history and to deny documented facts. A revolting and horrible monster is this so-called Jew.

He rubs shoulders with the neo-nazi criminals who do their evil deeds for Adolf Hitler and who, to this day, continue to spread anti-Semitism through the guise of Holocaust revisionist denial.

What is a David Cole? Is it a sickness? Is it a mental disease? Is Cole merely a human parasite who clings to his ardent Nazi supporters and friends who back his ideas whole-heartedly? After all, this Cole mania that the media have played on, don't you think it's time that we flush this rotten, sick individual down the toilet, where the rest of the waste lies? One less David Cole in the world will certainly not end Jew-hatred, but it will have removed a dangerous parasitic, disease-ridden bacteria from infecting society.

David Cole laughs in the face of his own people. He takes pride in seeing Jewish Holocaust survivors suffer. He laughs and snickers when someone mentions the words Auschwitz, gas chambers and crematoriums.

Cole's denial is really a denial toward his own people. He hates the very fact that he was born into this world a Jew. But more than anything else, his denial is an enormous crime against humanity.

This despicable low-life beast is worse than the Julius Streichers and Joseph Goebbels. He is more evil than they were-because he is a Jew! This pathetic excuse for a human being is a neo-Nazi traitorous sell-out to his own Jewish people.

An evil monster like this does not deserve to live on this earth. All the news stories about his life only encourage Cole to feed his sick ego even more, bringing attention to his depraved lifestyle. Cole is an abominable psychopath who must be stopped.

The word revisionist is a direct insult to the Jewish community, to Holocaust survivors and to the memory of the millions murdered. It is especially insulting to us Jews who are out to crush these vicious Holocaust-denying Nazis.

Just as we must get rid of this monster, Cole, we must also get rid of the word "revisionism" from our vocabulary. This awful word and Cole, too, must be eliminated altogether. There is no argument. There needs to be no more debates, only the elimination of the Holocaust deniers.

Cole is a sickness, a horrible aberration that is spreading like a cancerous sore. David Cole is being used by and manipulated by the neo-Nazis to further promote their agendas of hate.

He is a Jewish puppet for the Ernst Zundels, Bradley Smiths, Willis Cartos and all the white supremacist, Nazi-loving, murderous gangster thugs. They would love to see all the Jews of the world gassed and incinerated again in the burning furnaces of Treblinka, leaving smoldering ashes in its wake.

This world would be a happier place, indeed, when all the Jew-baiters and Jew-haters have disappeared, especially the most vicious hater of them all, David Cole.

Reward for Information

JDL wants to know the location of Holocaust denier David Cole, pictured above. Anyone giving us his correct address will receive a monetary reward. Contact us through e-mail immediately if you have information leading to the current location of David Cole.

Home Page of Jewish Holocaust Revisionist David Cole

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the link to JDL article from above naturally goes nowhere, but using the WAYBACK MACHINE, here's the original JDL arvchived HATE/CONTRACT/HIT piece:

JDL in America: A Monstrous Traitor < click