Identifying the Traits of a Person Who has a Religious Spirit

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danschance

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Recently I have seen posts on this forum which are abberant. Some dear brothers have been posting that we can be holy and perfect in this life. Another person who claims to be a Christian claims we are to only love the people of our own race. While many of us read those types of posts we wonder how they could of gotten so far of track. The answer might be a religious spirit.

Just because a person has some of the traits I will be discussing, does not automatically mean he or she is demonically possessed but it does lead me to wonder if they are.

How demons do their dirty work
Demons do their work by shifting our thoughts. Once they get inside a person through sin they entrench themselves into a person's mind by setting up a stronghold. This stronghold is a false way of thinking. Examples of a stronghold are "God can't love me", "I have committed the unpardonable sin and can't be saved", "Getting drunk is not a sin" and similar. It starts out as a lie we accept. Demons interject thoughts into our minds that support this stronghold.

Traits one of a religious spirit.
A person who has a religious spirit will have a religious stronghold, which is an aberrant belief in some aspect of theology. Such as: "we must be holy to please God", "Salvation must be earned", etc. They become focused rigidly on this belief and preach it to others as if it were the gospel, believing this is aberrant belief is from the bible or revealed to them by the voice of God.

Here is a brief list of traits a person can exhibit and preach that is possessed by a religious spirit.
In their posts you will see how they stress one aspect of Christianity but apply it in a way that you know is incorrect. They take a superior stance that if you do not accept their teachings you are in serious error. So they become judgmental Such as claiming to be perfect or focusing in how we will attain perfection and using the word perfect many times in their posts, over and over. Here is a list of things that may be present in a person with a religious spirit. Keep in mind this list is partial and a person with a religious demon may have more than one of these traits.

Holiness (false sense of) - They teach we can attain holiness or a sinless state of being and spiritual perfection.
Salvation by works - They stress we must do certain things to be acceptable before God.
Judgmental - Looking down their nose at certain Christians
Hypocritical - Acting like a Pharisee by pushing rules of dress, appearance and external behavior.
Blending racism with the bible - They might claim the Jews are cursed or hate a certain race.
Doctrinal error
Humility - False sense of being very humble to the point of pride.
Pride - Taking pride in how they are performing better than other Christians. (Luke 18:9-11)
Legalism - Blending our external actions with the free gift of God's imputed righteousness.
Exclusivity - "I have discovered the truth and if you do not accept this you are in error."

Hearing the voice of "god".
Many Christians hear the voice of God. Unfortunately, demons have no hesitation or reticence in pretending to be the voice of God. When we accept the voice of a demon as God, we are guilty of idolatry. Even worse it brings a conviction that their error is 100% correct, further entrenching them in their error.

Demonic Networks
A person can be attached to others in a spiritual network made of demonic soul ties. Typically a soul tie can be formed between two people through sex, strong emotion or ungodly covenants like "blood brother". A person can also have a soul tie to others in an organization. Once this happens religious demons and demonic strongholds can be shared. One trait is that they can even hear the same demon speak to them as "god".

Helping them to get free
3For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh, 4for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but divinely powerful for the destruction of fortresses. 5We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, 6and we are ready to punish all disobedience, whenever your obedience is complete. 2 Cor. 10:3-6 NASB


I am sure many of you attempt to correct their error with posts which include scripture to prove you point, only to see they reject all of your attempts to help them in their error. Even so, the bible is an effective tool for tearing down strongholds. It becomes like throwing BB's at a battle ship. So what can be done to help them? You can give them over to God in prayer. Ask God to expose their error and to expose any demon at work supporting their error.

I found this website which goes into more detail on this type of demon.
----> Religious spirits (demons)
 
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Great post.
 
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letti

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Twisting,and contorting the scripture is also a common practice,by some this is done as a means to justify, hateful ideas.They have ways to misquote scripture to conform to false teachings.That is why we shall trust no man,for GOD also tells us this.Trust GOD according to what he says.
 
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I have been searching for some examples of a religous demon at work. I found this which is close to it, but not a good fit. It does illustrate how we can hear a demon pretending to be God.

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[TD="colspan: 2"]Had an interesting expierience that I think alot of people should know about.
One day I heard "throw all of your violent movies away". Immediatly I felt compelled by fear to do it and a suddenness too. I thought "ok, violence is something that I shouldnt have around I guess, so I will do it." Not stopping to discern that I was compelled by an overwhelming FEAR to do this thing, it was just a deep torment like the Lord wouldnt bring on you, but my mind said "violence bad" so I did it.
But the fear did not go away. immediatly after I got rid of 300 dollars worth of dvds I heard this voice (by hearing a voice I mean impression in my mind) say "dont listen to secular music anymore". The same fear was driving this, the same sense of urgency.
I sought God. I said "I know that violence and music can carry bad messages so I want to obey what I think is your voice, but I have never heard from you like this."

I prayed alot about this and the Lord spoke gently to me some scriptures and said "this is a false holy spirit".

I immediatly knew that Satan counterfited what God had so I knew that the Holy Spirit led into all knowledge of Jesus, comforted, brought peace, brought power, exorted, etc.

I began to see that this false spirit instead of the Lord's leading, was leading by fear, confusion, doubt, accusation. And I was following. Why? Because what I had heard seemed logical. This False Holy Spirit was operating out of legalism as well. I felt led to give $30 to the church and immediatly this spirit said give $100. I thought "more is better" but God checked me and said "better is 30 in obedience than 100 in legalism".

I slowly started beating this thing, but didnt want to rebuke it yet because I was afraid of grieving the holy spirit. But the fear grew more intense and was causing doubt in my faith. I cant have that.

I sat down with God and said"I need to know how to pray, I need to know how to beat this fear that has plagued me for months now." God said "break the covenant that you made with this spirit of fear and the false holy spirit by throwing your dvd's away...."

You see, the Lord had taken my desire (I am ex military and law enforcement) to watch these violent things away, but by listening to the fear I was not giving honor to what the Holy Spirit had done in me, instead I was giving honor to the fear. [/TD]
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jb

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Just to clarify, are you saying that a born again Christian can be possessed by a demon, ie that they can have a demon in their soul?
 
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letti

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I could be wrong but,the way ,I took it is that a christian can still even though not possessed can still be influenced by a false spirit,although as far as I know under certain circumstances.
 
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Holiness (false sense of) - They teach we can attain holiness or a sinless state of being and spiritual perfection.
Salvation by works - They stress we must do certain things to be acceptable before God.
Judgmental - Looking down their nose at certain Christians
Hypocritical - Acting like a Pharisee by pushing rules of dress, appearance and external behavior.
Blending racism with the bible - They might claim the Jews are cursed or hate a certain race.
Doctrinal error
Humility - False sense of being very humble to the point of pride.
Pride - Taking pride in how they are performing better than other Christians. (Luke 18:9-11)
Legalism - Blending our external actions with the free gift of God's imputed righteousness.
Exclusivity - "I have discovered the truth and if you do not accept this you are in error."
I think that if we take any suggestion of our Lord to an extreme, we do just as this post is saying we shouldn't do. God tells us we should look to those in our own family first. If we say that, extremist can say we exhibit lack of love for those outside our family.

Holiness: God says to be holy, even as He is holy. Extremist say we are teaching we are sinless.
Judgmental: We are not to judge other Christians, I agree. No one can do anything with that but not judge.
Hypocritical: It is NOT like a Pharisee to talk of our dress, to have it express our love of our Lord. Christ wore tassels on the hem of His garment, is it wrong to say so?
Racism: I agree, accepting all humans as God's creation is simply right.
I cannot see how humbly listening to the Lord can morph into pride.
Legalism!!!: Over and over someone says we may not do anything if it is suggested by the Lord, if we do it is legalism!! I get so tired of it.
Exclusivity: And I agree, there is so much of childish saying they know better than you know. Like my Daddy can beat up your Daddy.

A lot of what people think posters say is done by how posters read it. I am bringing up opposing thoughts. To some posters they will read it as "let's fight". Others will read it as "let's talk". Yet my posting will remain the same.
 
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danschance

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Just to clarify, are you saying that a born again Christian can be possessed by a demon, ie that they can have a demon in their soul?
If you mean soul = mind, then yes. Demons do operate in the mind. They really can't touch our spirit, especially if we are a christian. This is a common issues with many Christians get hung up on many will disagree with me, but yes a christian can be partially under the influence in their mind by a demon.

To those who claim a Christian can not be possessed or oppressed by a demon in their mind, then my response is show me where in the bible it states that. They often point to a passage To the following scripture to prove a christian can not be indwelt by a demon. However, look at the context! It is warning Christians to not fellowship or marry unbelievers--which can be done! It has nothing to do with christians being possessed.

14Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? 15Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? 2Cor. 6:14-15


If a christian simply can not have a demon then all we need to do is convert a demon possessed person and the Holy Spirit will drive them out, right? Many do in fact believe this. However, I had more than a few demons cast out of me after I became a christian!

Now this idea that a christian can't have a demon is actually partially correct! We have tremendous protection from God but God will not protect us in our willful sins. So if a Christian has a sin issue and they are not willing to deal with it properly, it establishes a beachhead for the enemy. This is because demon possession is a sin related condition!






 
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danschance

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I could be wrong but,the way ,I took it is that a christian can still even though not possessed can still be influenced by a false spirit,although as far as I know under certain circumstances.

Yes, we as Christians who are still on this earth are still in the battle field. We are still fair game and we are warned to be on guard. Satan is a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. A christian caught up in sin might be devoured by satan.

As I mentioned above we as Christian have tremendous protection from the enemy. However, if you are in rebellion to God through sin, you may be wide open to the demonic, including demon possession. The Christian who believes false doctrine is in a state of sin. This in essence allows satan to possess that person. In fact, demons refer to this as their "legal right" to stay inside a person, but that is another topic.

Read above and see if you still feel that a demon can not possess a christian. I will respect what ever you decide.

For further reading on this topic please read this article: Christians and demons: Can a believer have a demon or evil spirit? Deliverance from demonic bondage in the lives of believers
 

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If you mean soul = mind, then yes. Demons do operate in the mind. They really can't touch our spirit, especially if we are a christian. This is a common issues with many Christians get hung up on many will disagree with me, but yes a christian can be partially under the influence in their mind by a demon.

To those who claim a Christian can not be possessed or oppressed by a demon in their mind, then my response is show me where in the bible it states that. They often point to a passage To the following scripture to prove a christian can not be indwelt by a demon. However, look at the context! It is warning Christians to not fellowship or marry unbelievers--which can be done! It has nothing to do with christians being possessed.



If a christian simply can not have a demon then all we need to do is convert a demon possessed person and the Holy Spirit will drive them out, right? Many do in fact believe this. However, I had more than a few demons cast out of me after I became a christian!

Now this idea that a christian can't have a demon is actually partially correct! We have tremendous protection from God but God will not protect us in our willful sins. So if a Christian has a sin issue and they are not willing to deal with it properly, it establishes a beachhead for the enemy. This is because demon possession is a sin related condition!






Let me pose this question to you then in the light of the above:

Can you show me in the New Testament Scripture, an example of a born again Christian being possessed by a demon?
 
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flight316

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Danschance, interesting post. You seem quite knowledgeable in this area. Haam faced with a disturbing dilema. A friend of mine, who has been a friend for twenty years ( a guy) made a pass at me, but very subtly more than once. The first time I took it as a fluke because I have never seen those type of tendencies in him before. I have also heard some things about him as of late that were questionable. Now this guy knows that I am not that way and he claims to follow God. Why would he choose me when he knows that I hate that activety. Would this apply to what you are talking about in your post. I really didn't want to lose another friend right now, but I can't be around this guy. Do you have any insight as to what may really be going on. This one blew my mind.
 
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danschance

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Let me pose this question to you then in the light of the above:

Can you show me in the New Testament Scripture, an example of a born again Christian being possessed by a demon?

JB, Thankx for asking.

I want to state up front I respect whatever you want to believe in this area, but since you asked I will answer as best I can.

Keep in mind the demons being cast out in the gospels, there were no Christians at that time. In fact I can only recall a single reference of a demon being cast out in the book of Acts, when Christians did exist. It is the story of a psychic fortuneteller recorded in Acts 16:16-18. So we don't have much to go on and I am not sure if it is prudent to assume that only demons can be cast out of unbelievers.
 
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Danschance, interesting post. You seem quite knowledgeable in this area. Haam faced with a disturbing dilema. A friend of mine, who has been a friend for twenty years ( a guy) made a pass at me, but very subtly more than once. The first time I took it as a fluke because I have never seen those type of tendencies in him before. I have also heard some things about him as of late that were questionable. Now this guy knows that I am not that way and he claims to follow God. Why would he choose me when he knows that I hate that activety. Would this apply to what you are talking about in your post. I really didn't want to lose another friend right now, but I can't be around this guy. Do you have any insight as to what may really be going on. This one blew my mind.
I am not sure if I can be of much help here with limited info on him. I can speak in general terms and that might be of use.

Sexual issues can be underpinned by demons. Demons can lead us all into sexual temptation and homosexuals can have strong lust issues, both gay men and lesbians. The doorways that might lead into a lust issue underpinned by a demon can include the following.

1) Childhood sexual abuse.
2) Frequent porn use or a porn addiction.
3) Soul ties to previous sexual partners.

If you want, hand him my demon risk test and see what his risk is. Just copy and print it. You can message me about the results if you wish.

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The Demon Risk Assessment Test (Short version)
Directions. Look at each item below. If you feel it currently is or was an issue for you, place a mark next to it. When you are done, add up the marks and give yourself one point for each mark. Then compare you points to the table below to find your risk for having a demonic issue in your life.

[] 1) Abusive childhood or a traumatic experience up to age 15. (May have some amnesia of this trauma)

[] 2) Issues with depression or anxiety

[] 3) Suicidal thoughts or Attempted Suicide

[] 4) Self harm (cutting, burning, hair pulling, hitting or biting ones self.)

[] 5) Victim of sexual abuse.

[] 6) Previously seen a ghost or spirit or felt the presence of one.

[] 7) Possess spiritual abilities. (psychic, telekinetic, communicating with spirits, etc)

[] 8) Frequent Nightmares or frequent night terrors

[] 9) Sudden shift in emotions (explosive anger that comes out of no where, tears for no reason, separate personality, etc)

[] 10) Occult or paranormal proclivities. Fascinated with ghosts, psychics, UFOs, Ouija board, vampires etc.


Pts ____Risk
0-2 …Low risk
3-4….Moderate risk
5-10…High risk

People in the high risk group might consider finding a deliverance minister or read up on the subject.
 
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danschance

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Flight316

Keep in mind a person must want help before they can get help.

They must see that they have a problem, admit the problem and be willing to do something about it before they can be helped. The demon risk test might help him see that he might need help. He may see nothing wrong with his lust or homosexuality. In that case, all you can do is pray for him.
 

jb

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JB, Thankx for asking.

I want to state up front I respect whatever you want to believe in this area, but since you asked I will answer as best I can.

Keep in mind the demons being cast out in the gospels, there were no Christians at that time. In fact I can only recall a single reference of a demon being cast out in the book of Acts, when Christians did exist. It is the story of a psychic fortuneteller recorded in Acts 16:16-18. So we don't have much to go on and I am not sure if it is prudent to assume that only demons can be cast out of unbelievers.
So then, there are absolutely no references in the Scriptures to a born again Christian being possessed by a demon...

OK, let me ask you another question, is there any references to "believers" being possessed in the Gospels?

As a slight digression, surely when a person believed in Christ while He was upon earth that made them a Christian, as it is faith in Christ that saves us and makes us such?
 
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So then, there are absolutely no references in the Scriptures to a born again Christian being possessed by a demon...

OK, let me ask you another question, is there any references to "believers" being possessed in the Gospels?

As a slight digression, surely when a person believed in Christ while He was upon earth that made them a Christian, as it is faith in Christ that saves us and makes us such?
Yes see the verse below and notice how she is specifically called a daughter of Abraham, a clear reference to her being a Jew.
"And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?" Luke 13:16
I would like you to consider this verse.
43“Now when the unclean spirit goes out of a man, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. 44“Then it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came’; and when it comes, it finds it unoccupied, swept, and put in order. 45“Then it goes and takes along with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there; and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first. That is the way it will also be with this evil generation.”Matthew 12:43-45
Here Jesus describes that a demon can return to a person who is an unbeliever. This is why you will not find any credible deliverance ministry that will cast a demon out of non-believers.

14When Jesus came into Peter’s home, He saw his mother-in-law lying sick in bed with a fever. 15He touched her hand, and the fever left her; and she got up and waited on Him.16When evening came, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed; and He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were ill. 17This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: “HE HIMSELF TOOK OUR INFIRMITIES AND CARRIED AWAY OUR DISEASES.”
Here the bible says Jesus cast out demons from many people. Some of them might of been gentiles but certainly many were Jews. Look as this verse above which quotes from Isaiah 53:5 which is clearly for believers only! If deliverance was part of the atonement and new covenant, then it's meant for believers! I really hope you can see this and understand it.

5But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
Please not that the fulfillment of this prophecy was actually fulfilled as Jesus as Jesus cast demons out of Jews.

Lastly Jesus himself says deliverance is for the Jews in this passage.
24Jesus got up and went away from there to the region of Tyre. And when He had entered a house, He wanted no one to know of it; yet He could not escape notice. 25But after hearing of Him, a woman whose little daughter had an unclean spirit immediately came and fell at His feet. 26Now the woman was a Gentile, of the Syrophoenician race. And she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. 27And He was saying to her, “Let the children be satisfied first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 28But she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, but even the dogs under the table feed on the children’s crumbs.” 29And He said to her, “Because of this answer go; the demon has gone out of your daughter.” 30And going back to her home, she found the child lying on the bed, the demon having left.
In this amazing story Jesus tells a woman that deliverance is not for the gentiles but the Jews. I hope this answers your questions. If you want to continue this topic, please start a new thread.
 
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While I do not believe a Christian can be demon possessed at all(unless fully backslidden), I do believe Christians can be oppressed of the devil. Otherwise, good topic.
 
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This,can be a bit tricky any (PERSON) can say they are a christian.The truth of the matter is only GOD judges that.But in regards to that being said,if one says it and is not truly saved for whatever reason.Then the fact arises,YES a only (TITLED)christian can be possessed or influenced demonically.NO any person truly a christian and not just using that title can't be possessed.
 
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A good thing to remember,is many bear the title Christian,but Christ himself said many will come to him in the end saying Lord,Lord confessing a title only.Then he will turn and say away from me.I am saying this because confusion arises in fact anybody merely, saying they are Christian is sufficient.With Christ it is not.Anybody not truly living in Christ is fair game for the wiles of the Devil and Demons.
 

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Yes see the verse below and notice how she is specifically called a daughter of Abraham, a clear reference to her being a Jew.

And this woman, a daughter of Abraham as she is, whom Satan has bound for eighteen long years, should she not have been released from this bond on the Sabbath day?" Luke 13:16
Yes, this woman was certainly a believer, however, notice in Luke 13v13 where it says:

"And He laid His hands on her, and immediately she was made straight, and glorified God."

The Lord Jesus did NOT exorcise this woman, but simply laid His hands on her and healed her, a case of imparting a simple "gift of healing" and NOT exorcism, so she could not have been possessed! Mark 16v17,18 differentiates between casting out a demon (ie exorcism) and laying on hand on the sick to impart a "gift of healing" and so should we.

The Lord Jesus came to the "lost" house of Israel, "lost" in the sense that they had NO faith and so the vast majority of Israel in the time when the Lord Jesus walked the earth were not believers and the whole point of healing in the atonement was not only for believers, but for unbelievers as well and indeed the whole thrust of the Lord Jesus in Isaiah 53 is as the sinbearer, the One Who bore the sin of the sinner.

So, with all things considered there is NOT 1 example in the New Testament Scriptures of a believer or born again Christian being possessed and the reason there are NO examples found is that it is impossible for such to be possessed!

A look at Job chapters 1 & 2 shows that the Devil could get nowhere near Job's household, never mind His family or indeed himself and Job was not even under the blood of the Passover Lamb, how much GREATER is the protection of a Christian who is under the Blood of the True Passover Lamb!

You can find a bit of a study on demons and possession Here

Yahweh Shalom...