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I have a few genuine questions that I would like answered by anyone who sees fit to do so, I like multiple perspectives on things and this is no different. Now before I ask these questions I feel that it is essential that I state my current religious status. I am an Atheist. I'm not going to give you my full bio but I will say I live in a Christian home and it as occurred to me that I am unable to receive an honest answer about Christianity, Jesus or anything bible related without being yelled at, told I need therapy or rebuked. So I have come here to kindly if I may receive a few answers to my questions. Without all the hatred and negativity. Now with that out of the way, here are my questions.


1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.


2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.


3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.

4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.

Those are my questions, you may take them as you will. I mean no disrespect with these questions. I am just genuinely curious as to what the answers will be.
 
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I'll let more qualified people than me answer the last three questions but for the first question I'd say, I'm not sure why/how many people can believe in something like Evolution. It's more of a philosophy than anything else and there's no real proof to support its outlandish claims. Christianity is a faith that makes use of both revelation and reason.
 
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I have a few genuine questions that I would like answered by anyone who sees fit to do so, I like multiple perspectives on things and this is no different. Now before I ask these questions I feel that it is essential that I state my current religious status. I am an Atheist. I'm not going to give you my full bio but I will say I live in a Christian home and it as occurred to me that I am unable to receive an honest answer about Christianity, Jesus or anything bible related without being yelled at, told I need therapy or rebuked. So I have come here to kindly if I may receive a few answers to my questions. Without all the hatred and negativity. Now with that out of the way, here are my questions.


1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.

You may want to explain that to nearly 3 billions Christians, Muslims & Jews. Good Luck


2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.

Jesus is God and appeared in the flesh over 2000 years ago .... documented by probably the greatest empire in the history of mankind, namely Rome of His existence. He is accessible to those who worship Him.


3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.

It is a 'religious guide' for those who believe in Him.

4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.

Like any organization or group, there are good people & bad people, Christians aren't any different. In religious terms, the so-called bad Christians, are likely not true Christians. The truest or best Christians are probably the ones you wouldn't recognize.

Those are my questions, you may take them as you will. I mean no disrespect with these questions. I am just genuinely curious as to what the answers will be.

No problems, I am just curious as to what "cheap shot" you are willing to shoot from the hip.
 
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I will agree with you, there is as little proof of evolution as there is Christianity and any other religion.
 
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Dom

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No cheap shot, just opinions and a few facts
 
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Dom said:
I will agree with you, there is as little proof of evolution as there is Christianity and any other religion.
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Nice "twist."
 
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Dom said:
I will agree with you, there is as little proof of evolution as there is Christianity and any other religion.
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There is a heck of lot more evidence for Christianity than for other religions, including the religion of Evolution.
Also, I'm sorry that other Christians have dissuaded you from asking questions. Asking questions is an important part of life learning, especially when it comes to growing to know Christ and coming to know Him at a deeper level.
 
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Dom said:
1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.
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Faith is something that comes from inside and not from credible scientific knowledge; it is very intimate and it is the result(in my case) of the questions related to who am I and why do I exist, what's the point of life, of this world etc. I do not have a clear, concrete answer to these questions, but I find that Christianity (and Eastern Christianity, to be more specific) gives the most satisfactory explanation to the "Why?" of the life.

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2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.
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Some people have "accessed" God and they told humanity to 'taste and see that the Lord is good'.
A more accessable proof of God would be this world which exists out of a miracle. This universe is the manifestation of God.

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3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.
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You mean why don't we love our neighbors and wash their feet instead of pouring on them a bucket of theology and if they don't drink it all in front of us and say "it's very good and refreshing" we threaten them with hell? Yeah, good question. I don't know the answer.

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4.In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.
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Okay biscuit it's pretty clear to me that you are not replying to this thread to give an answer to an honest question, but instead you are hear to passively provoke and/or aggravate myself and anyone else with your blind ignorance. I am truly sorry for you because I know it's not your fault
 
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Okay biscuit it's pretty clear to me that you are not replying to this thread to give an answer to an honest question, but instead you are hear to passively provoke and/or aggravate myself and anyone else with your blind ignorance. I am truly sorry for you because I know it's not your fault
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I answered every one of your questions.
 
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I have a few genuine questions that I would like answered by anyone who sees fit to do so, I like multiple perspectives on things and this is no different. Now before I ask these questions I feel that it is essential that I state my current religious status. I am an Atheist. I'm not going to give you my full bio but I will say I live in a Christian home and it as occurred to me that I am unable to receive an honest answer about Christianity, Jesus or anything bible related without being yelled at, told I need therapy or rebuked. So I have come here to kindly if I may receive a few answers to my questions. Without all the hatred and negativity. Now with that out of the way, here are my questions.
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1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.

You've made a false assertion in your question here. There is a large body of empirical evidence for God including "credible scientific knowledge." You appear to be completely unaware of it. In fact, some of the brightest scientists on the planet are genuine Christians. Large associations of them exist which you may want to familiarize yourself with. Here's a couple to get you started:

Reasons to Believe: reasons.org
Biologos: biologos.org

But I'm fortunate in that I do not have to rely on only empirical evidence as God revealed Himself to me. I have experiential knowledge also in a personal relationship with Him. But it gets even better as I've had the benefit of witnessing supernatural miracles and even receiving a supernatural healing miracle myself once.

2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.

There is and it is. God is at work interacting with humanity personally and when we come together; publicly. If you're interested in pursuing this further, commit for a year to regularly attend some of the more charismatic assemblies of Christians in your areas such as a Vineyard Church, for example.

3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.

Because there was only one in the history of humanity that was sinless. All the rest of us are imperfect. Genuine Christians are spiritually renewed; however, and imbued by God Himself. Unfortunately, the new nature that wants to do what's right and holy is in conflict with our rebellious selfish old nature. But any genuine Christian will progress in sanctification and holiness over time though remain imperfect in this life. Theologically, the formula is that you're justified before God in Christ upon salvation and spiritual regeneration (e.g. the spiritual new birth) at which point you embark on a lifelong process of becoming more like Christ (e.g. sanctification) and finally when you die you receive your eternal reward and glorification. So: justification --> sanctification --> glorification.

4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.

I can't speak on your personal experiences but I can tell you that holiness is very important to God and also very important to people's welfare both here on earth and eternally after we die. In scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral license, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's moral law and both practice and realize agape love in their lives."

I hope you have found this informative.
 
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Life feels empty sometimes for Christians who are struggling with their faith. How much more for you who don't have a God to lean on, to pray on, to please and most specially to thank for your dear life? Its just so sad.
 
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Okay biscuit it's pretty clear to me that you are not replying to this thread to give an answer to an honest question, but instead you are hear to passively provoke and/or aggravate myself and anyone else with your blind ignorance. I am truly sorry for you because I know it's not your fault
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It's not just your thread. It's just how he is.
 
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Regarding your first question I will make my response short and hope you, in some manner, understand what I am trying to say.

A group of scientists (Science Council in the UK) recently spent a year to come up with a definition for science. They decided on the following:
"Science is the pursuit of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence."

I have reached my understanding of what faith is in Hebrews 11 and in particular verse 1:
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

I just do not believe science, as per the definitions given, will ever be able to find evidence of those things hoped for which really doesn't matter to science because it deals with the here and now and not the hereafter.

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I am not sure if your second question refers to scientific proof of God's existence or some other type of proof. If you find scientific proof let me know and if you find spiritual proof welcome aboard brother. Regarding science and God - Reasons To Believe : Where Modern Science & Faith Converge - perhaps this might be of interest to you.

3. I can't answer this question but if you find word for word guidance on living within scripture then perhaps you should pursue this direction in the course of your life.

4.I don't know in what manner the Christians you encounter are judgmental however it would appear you are seeking truths truths in scripture and I this I would encourage.
 
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AgeofKnowledge said:
1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.

You've made a false assertion in your question here. There is a large body of empirical evidence for God including "credible scientific knowledge." You appear to be completely unaware of it. In fact, some of the brightest scientists on the planet are genuine Christians. Large associations of them exist which you may want to familiarize yourself with. Here's a couple to get you started:

Reasons to Believe: reasons.org
Biologos: biologos.org

But I'm fortunate in that I do not have to rely on only empirical evidence as God revealed Himself to me. I have experiential knowledge also in a personal relationship with Him. But it gets even better as I've had the benefit of witnessing supernatural miracles and even receiving a supernatural healing miracle myself once.

2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.

There is and it is. God is at work interacting with humanity personally and when we come together; publicly. If you're interested in pursuing this further, commit for a year to regularly attend some of the more charismatic assemblies of Christians in your areas such as a Vineyard Church, for example.

3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.

Because there was only one in the history of humanity that was sinless. All the rest of us are imperfect. Genuine Christians are spiritually renewed; however, and imbued by God Himself. Unfortunately, the new nature that wants to do what's right and holy is in conflict with our rebellious selfish old nature. But any genuine Christian will progress in sanctification and holiness over time though remain imperfect in this life. Theologically, the formula is that you're justified before God in Christ upon salvation and spiritual regeneration (e.g. the spiritual new birth) at which point you embark on a lifelong process of becoming more like Christ (e.g. sanctification) and finally when you die you receive your eternal reward and glorification. So: justification --> sanctification --> glorification.

4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.

I can't speak on your personal experiences but I can tell you that holiness is very important to God and also very important to people's welfare both here on earth and eternally after we die. In scripture we find the proper relationship between God's moral law and His agape love. Two equal and opposite dangers must be avoided:

1. Legalism effectively ousts agape love as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life by reducing both to obedience or conformity to a set of external commands or rules (after the manner of the scribes and Pharisees in the gospels).

2. Its opposite, antinomianism, ousts God's moral law as a dynamic of the gospel and the Christian life. Antinomianism is heresy that tells Christians it's OK to forget about God's law and concentrate solely on agape love... a course which is a justification for degeneration and immoral license, such as homosexual marriage, rather than promoting the true Christian liberty (i.e. freedom from sin).

The Gospel of Jesus Christ and God's grace in Jesus Christ frees the Christian from both these erroneous tendencies but only if Christians respectfully strive to follow God's moral law and both practice and realize agape love in their lives."

I hope you have found this informative.
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This is good stuff.
 
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'Reasons to Believe'? More like 'Reasons to Compromise'.
 
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Dom said:
1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.
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experience constitutes individual proof. in my experience, God is real, living & actively interacts with humankind.

there is no physical proof that any emotion exists - though we may cry, it does not definitively indicate that sadness is a real thing and not a chemical imbalance -- but do you believe melancholy is real? i think that if you are quite honest you already accept many things as existing without any corporeal, quantitative "proof"

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2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.
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this is how God has ordained that the world should be: that without faith it is impossible to know Him.
when you have your own universe, you can make your own rules. this universe happens to belong to God.

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3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.
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many do.
but it is also written in that book, that "no one is good except God alone" -- that you have never met anyone who perfectly follows the words in the book indicates two things: that the word is true, that Christ alone is perfect, and that there may be truth in this book that you do not fully understand, and so think that no one follows it, but in fact they do, if you could see the full truth of it.

the bible also indicates that there will be a "falling away" -- that as time progresses, even the church will be full of apostasy, hypocrisy, false teaching and immorality. what you perceive fulfills prophecy and is further evidence that this book is true.

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4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.
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in my experience this is true of every human being.
you yourself by your statement are being unbelievably judgmental of all 'christians' -- aren't you? so this is common to man.

Jesus taught that we should judge ourselves, not others. but He also gives us a spirit of discernment, so that we may know the truth of things. perceiving the truth is often received as 'judgmentalism' by those who are ashamed of or reject the truth.
 
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Dom said:
I have a few genuine questions that I would like answered by anyone who sees fit to do so, I like multiple perspectives on things and this is no different. Now before I ask these questions I feel that it is essential that I state my current religious status. I am an Atheist. I'm not going to give you my full bio but I will say I live in a Christian home and it as occurred to me that I am unable to receive an honest answer about Christianity, Jesus or anything bible related without being yelled at, told I need therapy or rebuked. So I have come here to kindly if I may receive a few answers to my questions. Without all the hatred and negativity. Now with that out of the way, here are my questions.


1. Why/how can you believe in someone that no one of any credible scientific knowledge has been able to proof exists.


2. If there is proof of "God" where is it and why is it not acessable to the public.


3. Why dose no christian follow the bible word for word, as it is said to.

4. In my own experience why is it that christians are unbelievable judgemental towards others, yet The bible states that god is the only true judge.

Those are my questions, you may take them as you will. I mean no disrespect with these questions. I am just genuinely curious as to what the answers will be.
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1.) there are mounds of evidence, pick a topic I will show you.

2.)The proof is in the blood of Jesus Christ. The word is and has been spread all throughout the world.

3.)Can I have an example that we are not following God's word?

4.)Very good question, a lot of Christians are very judge-mental but you have to understand we are human and sinners just like you. Christians that judge non-Christians for sinning: they forget that they are sinners as well. No matter how holy you become or were, the only reason you are saved is by God's Grace through Jesus Christ alone. No amount of spiritual correctness, good deeds, or lack of sin will ever save you, ONLY JESUS CHRIST can save! On Christians who criticize theory's such as evolution, islam, hindu, new age, ect. This is done in a form of truth. Every religion agrees on the parameters of truth, and all we are doing is discussing the subject inside the parameters.
 
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That's fine with me if you are adhere to young earth creationism (YEC). Salvation is not based on which of the five standard creation models almost all Christians adhere too.

But most modern scientists, researchers, and those in academia (including Christians) do not find YEC the best fit for the scientific evidence. So it's no surprise that their associations form around alternatives such as old earth/progressive creationism and theistic evolution.

Personally, I can find no compromise with any of the literature at RTB and have met with and spoke with the team over there on various occasions and they are genuine Christians who have carefully constructed a scientifically testable creation model with predictive power based solidly and uncompromising in an old age interpretation of scripture.

Obviously, you don't have to agree with it but calling it a "compromise" is rather infantile. How about this? You are misinterpreting in your head what you read in the Bible. More like young earth ignorance... lol.

See the problem with tossing out a little ad hominem? It's really easy to do, offensive, and doesn't get anyone anywhere. Peace.


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'Reasons to Believe'? More like 'Reasons to Compromise'.
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T_Laurich

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Guys lets not turn this into a debate between young earth and old earth on another forum(there are dozens of threads for this)... If the original poster wishes to go that route then okay... But to start fighting among-st ourselves is childish.
 
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