THE AVATAR MOVIE

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songster

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Porn ???


I just returned from a 3D presentation of the movie Avatar. I have never seen more realistic computer graphics, in my entire life. My daughter accompanied me, and ran into a few of her friends. All in all, it was a pretty good night, and the movie was entertaining, in more ways than I'd expected.

After coming home, I had a feeling that I've only felt, during times when i knew I'd lusted or had allowed perverse thoughts to linger in my mind. While sitting at the computer reading through my email I felt anxious and uncomfortable. I felt tempted. I knew it was time to pray.

After carefully thinking about the movie, It occurred to me that these computerized images were perfectly toned likenesses of humans. The only difference was, that they were blue in color, and had tails, but I can't escape the obvious, they were naked! Yes, they were a different color, and their faces were altered to provide a more alien like appearence, but their bodies were perfectly toned human naked bodies and most wore little to no clothing.

I want to know if anyone else noticed that this movie is filled with, what I have to call, CGI porn ??
 
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Yup, one of the first things that came to mind when I saw that was... am I really seeing what I think I'm seeing?
 
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wwjd_kilden

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what is so wrong with nakedness?

just because the media is talking about sex all the time that doesnt mean nakedness is bad,...

as long as you don't break Gods will: Enjoy your body! don't be ashamed of it

I never saw how nakedness is bad unless you pose (sexual)
 
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songster

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what is so wrong with nakedness?

just because the media is talking about sex all the time that doesnt mean nakedness is bad,...

as long as you don't break Gods will: Enjoy your body! don't be ashamed of it

I never saw how nakedness is bad unless you pose (sexual)
wwjd_kilden,

Are you familiar with the term 'pornography'? Are you aware that it is one of the fastest growing addictions, at least in the U.S.? Are you also aware that men are not women? By this, I mean, men are visually stimulated, not emotionally. Are you also aware that the individuals on this site are Christian, and are familiar with the contents of the bible??

Genesis 3:6

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.


Genesis 3:21

The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
 
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greatkraw

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wwjd_kilden,

Are you familiar with the term 'pornography'? Are you aware that it is one of the fastest growing addictions, at least in the U.S.? Are you also aware that men are not women? By this, I mean, men are visually stimulated, not emotionally. Are you also aware that the individuals on this site are Christian, and are familiar with the contents of the bible??

Genesis 3:6

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.


Genesis 3:21

The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
songster, i cant let you post that and not respond

the man and the woman were married

whatever they were ashamed of it was NOT their sexuality

it was their unrighteousness in God's eyes

God said to them,

"Who condemned you and told you you were naked?" (God did not)

Therefore it can only have been the snake

Remember he is the ACCUSER of the brethren.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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still
just cause people feel lust is doesn't make beeing naked a sin
men (and women) need to control themselves

I don't buy candy each time I see it in the store...
 
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songster

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songster, i cant let you post that and not respond

the man and the woman were married

whatever they were ashamed of it was NOT their sexuality

it was their unrighteousness in God's eyes

God said to them,

"Who condemned you and told you you were naked?" (God did not)

Therefore it can only have been the snake

Remember he is the ACCUSER of the brethren.
Agreed, perhaps a poor reference choice on my part, however, pornography is the business of exhibition. If we were in our perfect state, I suppose there would be no need for clothing, however, while we are in these bodies and are able to perceive both good and evil, there are very real temptations which need to be avoided.

For men, (most men), the viewing of nakedness, has the potential to generate lust, which then has the potential to produce sexual immorality. If nakedness could be viewed by men as expressions of godly freedom, Paul would have been able to greatly reduce his writings. He warned against idolatry, sexual immorality, and Jesus himself said that to look upon a woman to lust after her was adulterous.

This is not a legalistic message. Exposing nakedness or creating perfect likenesses of nakedness, whether in paintings, statues or movies, is not an expression of God given liberty, and is the exact opposite of modesty.

Many times in our desire to cast off man made rules and doctrines of men, we have cast off truth, in order to accept personal philosophies in place of the word of God. Paul encouraged modest apparel. I have never been legalistic about this, but in this present day, it is certainly something to consider, but the idea of removing all clothing certainly has the potential to cast a number of stumbling blocks in the way of our brothers and sisters.

Am I really to understand that wwjd_kilden has no problem with nudity in films or public places. Pornography is a multi billion dollar business which exists to support the lusts of men, and women. It destroys marriages, corrupts children, and degrades women.

Is there some biblical basis for the claim that exposing nakedness to individuals (other than to spouses), is acceptable? Some Christians actually consider this lewd behavior.
 
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Matthew

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I haven't seen the Avatar film but I have seen many films with semi-clothed individuals etc....and I think in terms of characters in films context is very important, if a film is portraying a group in their native environment who wear little clothing due to culture etc...I don't think that is wrong or bad, but if it is done with a clear attempt to create sexual appeal then it is not right.

Of course men are visually stimulated but every man is responsible for keeping control and maintaining a level of mental discipline as nudity is not always needed to achieve lustful thoughts, but with films and other forms of artistic expression it is difficult to find a balance between having creative freedom and not inciting people to lust and take away the wrong message/thoughts from the film.
Many films aim for the latter to make money which is very sad, but others are simply being faithful to an artistic vision and sometimes come in for critiscism, the film Watchmen comes to mind for me.

I think it is a problem in films today but I think it needs to be taken one case at a time, I don't think in terms of creative works nakedness is completely right or completely wrong, it depends on a lot of other factors, but in films today the 'sex appeal' angle is too often present, but I didn't see that in any of the promotional material for Avatar, gives me something to consider when I do see the film.
 
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songster

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I haven't seen the Avatar film but I have seen many films with semi-clothed individuals etc....and I think in terms of characters in films context is very important, if a film is portraying a group in their native environment who wear little clothing due to culture etc...I don't think that is wrong or bad, but if it is done with a clear attempt to create sexual appeal then it is not right.

Of course men are visually stimulated but every man is responsible for keeping control and maintaining a level of mental discipline as nudity is not always needed to achieve lustful thoughts, but with films and other forms of artistic expression it is difficult to find a balance between having creative freedom and not inciting people to lust and take away the wrong message/thoughts from the film.
Many films aim for the latter to make money which is very sad, but others are simply being faithful to an artistic vision and sometimes come in for critiscism, the film Watchmen comes to mind for me.

I think it is a problem in films today but I think it needs to be taken one case at a time, I don't think in terms of creative works nakedness is completely right or completely wrong, it depends on a lot of other factors, but in films today the 'sex appeal' angle is too often present, but I didn't see that in any of the promotional material for Avatar, gives me something to consider when I do see the film.
It really takes a while before you realize what you're actually seeing. If the characters were poor likenesses of the human body, with poor video game quality graphics, it might be easier to separate fantasy from reality. But the way that the real actors in this movie are able to interact with the computerized characters is the most amazing piece of techonological advancement I've ever seen.

It goes beyond simply viewing these aliens in their native environment. There is an actual romance developed.

Except for certain movements, these characters seem very real. The tails of the females seemed to cover rear cleavage most of the time, and there was no exposed genitalia, however, if you see this movie you will know exactly what I'm talking about. There is one brief love making scene, where, of course, no clothing had to be removed, because they were already naked. I think there is a trend that is going to be established here. I believe that this ability to create a perfect body will soon appeal to the porn industry on a larger scale. Certain video games are already inappropriate for children and teens in Christian homes.
 
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Matthew

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I think there is a trend that is going to be established here. I believe that this ability to create a perfect body will soon appeal to the porn industry on a larger scale. Certain video games are already inappropriate for children and teens in Christian homes.
Well I agree with that, the porn industry like any other will make use of advancing technology and that is going to make a bad sitaution worse, but I do think that using it in dramatic films to create a 'perfect body' is fine as long as it is a credible part of a wider story, when that wider context is absent is when I would have a problem with it, but I'll have to hold any further comment until I see the film.

I recall seeing the Watchmen film and in that the character Dr Manhattan is shown naked, but he is in a well toned human form body that is made of blue energy, as far as I could tell anway.
I spoke to people who didn't appreciate seeing a fully naked man but to my mind there was a credible reason in the story for why he was naked and why the character himself did not care, it wasn't nudity without purpose and in no way was it erotic and so it didn't bother me.
 

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Well I agree with that, the porn industry like any other will make use of advancing technology and that is going to make a bad sitaution worse, but I do think that using it in dramatic films to create a 'perfect body' is fine as long as it is a credible part of a wider story, when that wider context is absent is when I would have a problem with it, but I'll have to hold any further comment until I see the film.

I recall seeing the Watchmen film and in that the character Dr Manhattan is shown naked, but he is in a well toned human form body that is made of blue energy, as far as I could tell anway.
I spoke to people who didn't appreciate seeing a fully naked man but to my mind there was a credible reason in the story for why he was naked and why the character himself did not care, it wasn't nudity without purpose and in no way was it erotic and so it didn't bother me.

I haven't seen Watchmen but I have to bet that if the character that was depicted were a woman and depicted as fully naked--men would remember it, probably in an erotic way, whether it pertained to the story or not. I am not trying to make men out to be evil here, but addressing the fact I hear over and over again that men are very visual.

My main concern as I watched Avatar was thinking, "Oh no, this is going to make men think that in order to be attractive (as if there weren't enough negative messages about this in society), women must be inhumanly tall, thin, and perfectly proportioned." I thought about how many women (beginning as young girls) are going to skip their next meal, take drugs, or vomit in an attempt to become this supposed ideal. I often wonder if men are even attracted to plain, everyday women like myself anymore... because 99% of real, everyday women look nothing like what culture says a "woman" should look like.

I do have to admit, however, to being enthralled by Sam Worthington's bright eyes and utterly addictive accent (I have a thing for eyes and certain accents) :D, shallow as that may sound, but it wasn't in a sexual way.
 
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Matthew

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I haven't seen Watchmen but I have to bet that if the character that was depicted were a woman and depicted as fully naked--men would remember it, probably in an erotic way, whether it pertained to the story or not. I am not trying to make men out to be evil here, but addressing the fact I hear over and over again that men are very visual.
If it were a woman I am sure men woud have found it erotic, that's human nature though, not just male nature.

I read a lot about how men are visually stimulated and women more emotionally stimulated but it isn't absolute. I'd wager my life that plenty of women who saw Watchmen had a stray lustful thought or two when the character came on screen, as I said the character had a big strong muscly body, not every womans preference but I doubt all the women were sitting there thinking what a great intellect that man must have. :D

While I conceed it is a bigger problem with men it is worth keeping in mind that women feel plenty of physical lust as well and it is not one-sided.
 
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forgivenandloved

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I thought it was an awesome movie and that's all I thought of it
 

seoulsearch

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If it were a woman I am sure men woud have found it erotic, that's human nature though, not just male nature.

I read a lot about how men are visually stimulated and women more emotionally stimulated but it isn't absolute. I'd wager my life that plenty of women who saw Watchmen had a stray lustful thought or two when the character came on screen, as I said the character had a big strong muscly body, not every womans preference but I doubt all the women were sitting there thinking what a great intellect that man must have. :D

While I conceed it is a bigger problem with men it is worth keeping in mind that women feel plenty of physical lust as well and it is not one-sided.

I certainly agree that lust is a problem with women as well, and am sorry if I somehow made it out to sound as if guys were the only ones who struggled.

Something I think women need to be careful about as well are all the "romances" marketed toward female audiences. A few of my female co-workeers have been participating in a book exchange at work--even if the cover is neutral or of landscapes, etc., one glance over the description of the back cover should have any Christian woman fleeing in avoidance.

I might sound ultra-conservative here but I don't like seeing men uncovered as well--for example, a man without a shirt, etc. I try my best to divert my eyes because I feel as if I am looking at something that should belong to someone else.

The times I struggle with errant thoughts in movies most is when there is a strong story line, connection, and chemistry between the characters--if the male character is strong, protective, intelligent, and yet sympathetic... I have to keep myself in line from developing a strong attraction to someone who doesn't even exist.
 
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songster

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I certainly agree that lust is a problem with women as well, and am sorry if I somehow made it out to sound as if guys were the only ones who struggled.


I might sound ultra-conservative here but I don't like seeing men uncovered as well--for example, a man without a shirt, etc. I try my best to divert my eyes because I feel as if I am looking at something that should belong to someone else.

The body of the wife belongs to her husband and the body of the husband belongs to his wife, according to Paul in Corinthians.

This is a key point. We as a society have been medicated over a period of time, or lulled, if you will, into accepting gratuitous nudity, sexualized dancing, revealing fashions, and perverse language, in every facet of society. Some have been completely desensitized in these areas and cannot remember a time when these practices were not present and accepted.

Let me present a different perspective. Seoulsearch, as you know, there are a growing number of people, both men and women, struggling with pornography, and those who are free, do not desire to be entangled again in that lifestyle. One way to emphasize the 'stumbling block' aspect, is, If I were in a room with a bag of cocaine, or weed, this would not represent a temptation, as I am not predisposed to using drugs, however, after having been freed from a lifestyle which included the frequent viewing of pornography, I attempt to avoid displays of female nuidity, which is no less addictive.

It would be a modest estimation to say that between 80 - 90% of men in the U.S. have struggled, or are struggling, with some form of a lust problem, and yet we willingly incorporate these and other practices into our society. Before I was born, no one could have imagined the level of depravity we our nation would sink to. I sat in the break room of my place of employment watching a very safe television program, during a commercial break, I couldn't believe what I was hearing, miniature vibrators by (trojan), were being brazenly advertised in the ad.

There has been a slow strip tease occurring in our society, which probably began in the 60's with the so-called sexual revolution, which began to destroy several things. It tore away at the family unit, demeaned women, perverted entertainment, and what was perceived as freedom, slowly contributed to the moral decline of the entire world, with the U.S. leading the way by making great strides in the late 70's in the porn industry. Some believe that in order for nudity to be considered porn, the individual must be in a sexually provocative position, not realizing that 'nudity itself IS provocative'!
 
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greatkraw

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we gotta becareful about our absolutes or you get the situation where

only males can have male nurses and male doctors and vise versa

not many years ago many young girls perished in a dormitory fire in a muslim country
the fire brigade was in attendance but it was shameful to drag scantily clad young girls through the window to rescue them
 
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songster

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we gotta becareful about our absolutes or you get the situation where

only males can have male nurses and male doctors and vise versa

not many years ago many young girls perished in a dormitory fire in a muslim country
the fire brigade was in attendance but it was shameful to drag scantily clad young girls through the window to rescue them
True, but let's not confuse the issue, by using an extreme. There is an obvious distinction between accidental nudity exposed in emergency situations, during medical exams and procedures, etc..., and capitalizing on the publics desire to view men and women in various states of undress strictly for entertainment purposes. Strip clubs, pornography sites, sexually explicit magazines and gratuitous nudity in cinema, are intentionally appealing to a voyeuristic market.

There is no caution that needs to be taken when discussing or realizing the serious impact this has had, and is having, on our society. This in no way constitutes or even has the potential for legalism.
 
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greatkraw

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So, was there graphic sexual activity?

does it have a plot? - any issues?

are the 3d effects worth it?
 
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songster

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So, was there graphic sexual activity?

does it have a plot? - any issues?

are the 3d effects worth it?
3D effects are worth it. It was the most technologically advanced movie I've ever seen, and seeing it in 3D certainly enhanced the experience, in more ways than one.

There was only one occurrence of sexual activity between the alien beings, but as with pornography, sexual activity is not required in order for it to meet the criteria for pornography or considering it sexually explicit. The absence of sex, does not make the presence of nudity safe. There are individuals who have gone to certain presentations, in the hope of seeing a particular nude/non-sexual scene performed by well known 'hotties' of our time.

One example is one James Bond film which featured Halle Berry, an American actress. There is also a considerable amount of conversation among men following movies that contain gratuitous nudity. Surely, this is not exclusive to Pennsylvania.
 
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greatkraw

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I saw Avatar in 3D

Great movie

interesting philosophical undertones including.......

evolution

sioux indian culture

gaia earth goddess

the name of the planets deity is the arabic word for 'yes'