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You're making it difficult to follow your posts. This sounds like it was posted in reply to me...... And I don't buy any of Darby's stuff.... nor any of the stuff invented about 1530 by the monk, Francisco Ribera, that Darby got his ideas from.
At any rate, when answering someone, it will help greatly if you would click on REPLY WITH QUOTE, rather than just clicking REPLY.
At any rate, when answering someone, it will help greatly if you would click on REPLY WITH QUOTE, rather than just clicking REPLY.
Well I have to be honest if all things are fulfilled I'm a little disappointed, The new Jerusalem, the restored earth, the dead raised and given immortal bodies, Satan and the beast thrown into the lake of fire, no death, no sorrow, no pain...
Who would have thought it would have looked like this.... Man what a disappointment.
Who would have thought it would have looked like this.... Man what a disappointment.
preterisim is a deception promoted by the catholic church who wanted to deceive Christians into thinking their rule with the roman emperor was the fulfillment of Revelation.. That they where the saints ruling to earth with Jesus spiritually for 1000 years of course as soon as the 1000ad came around they had to change that 1000 literal years into a symbolic interpretation that just meant a really long time.. There are a lot of Cults who have declared that the end is night and when the end did not come they have to twist scriptures with their symbolic interpretations to make things fit.. The literal return of Jesus becomes an invisible, Spiritual return of Christ. They clutch at straws seeing the evil world around then and trying to make it fit with the scriptures saying that satan is now bound in the bottomless pit and unable to work in this world.. Ha ha ha ha
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It's not a deception promoted by Catholicism. Jesus and the Apostles spoke of things that were to happen SHORTLY, or within this generation, or the time is at hand, or the kingdom is nigh. You can't ignore the time statements and put everything 2000 years into the future. Jesus kept His promise and returned in 70 AD which was the spiritual (not invisible) return of Jesus in judgement against apostate Jerusalem and there will be no more returns. This was the parousia of Jesus which means presence but it doesn't have to be a physical presence. It was the end of Old Covenant Jerusalem and the end of the Temple system. The resurrection was spiritual. A new spiritual Jerusalem, or the the Church was consummated. You have to use your spiritual eyes to see the kingdom, not your physical eyes. The New Testament is full of spiritual concepts and ideas.
The most important verse which supports preterism was when Jesus and Caiaphas were face to face with each other (Matthew 26, 64). How do think you interpret what Jesus said?
How many predictions have these cults made and nothing has happened? Either you accept the fulfilled work of Christ which ended in victory or you can go on waiting for something that's not going to happen. It's up to you.
The most important verse which supports preterism was when Jesus and Caiaphas were face to face with each other (Matthew 26, 64). How do think you interpret what Jesus said?
How many predictions have these cults made and nothing has happened? Either you accept the fulfilled work of Christ which ended in victory or you can go on waiting for something that's not going to happen. It's up to you.
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Loretta,
You say that nothing much has changed since Old Testament times. In 1st century Palestine there was widespread persecutions and martyrdoms of Christians everywhere. The origin of the persecutions came from the Sanhedrin in the Temple. The Temple was known as Heaven and Earth because it was thought to be the dwelling place of God here on earth. By 70 AD when it was destroyed, this wasn't just any old temple that destroyed. The Temple meant the world for Old Covenant Jerusalem and it felt like the end of their world. It was the end of the Mosaic age (laws of Moses) and it was the end of the Levitical priesthood. With no more Preisthood there could be no more animal sacrifices. It was the end of the Sadducees as well as the entire Old Covenant way of life. The Jews were then scattered amongst the gentile nations. With the Sanhedrin gone, the persecutions from the Old Covenant Jews came to an end. Jesus had become the new high priest and His death was the ultimate sacrifice. The new Temple had become a living Temple with Jesus at the cornerstone of the new Temple. Now if you were a Christian living in 1st century Palestine after 70 AD, you would not be saying nothing has changed about the world. Everything had changed. Even the Covernent with God had changed (although no one knows when the N.T. was completed). You have to read the New Testament and relate to what 1st century Christians were going through at the time, especially with the persecutions, the martyrdoms, the end of the Temple system, the kingdom of heaven arriving to all gentile nations, the end of the Old and the start of the New Covernent, the consummation of the Church etc. So within that 1st century generation Jesus and his disciples changed the world forever.
Now as far as what does all this mean for the 21st century. Sorry but I haven't got all the answers. You need to speak to a preterist Bible scholar.
Regards, Andy.
You say that nothing much has changed since Old Testament times. In 1st century Palestine there was widespread persecutions and martyrdoms of Christians everywhere. The origin of the persecutions came from the Sanhedrin in the Temple. The Temple was known as Heaven and Earth because it was thought to be the dwelling place of God here on earth. By 70 AD when it was destroyed, this wasn't just any old temple that destroyed. The Temple meant the world for Old Covenant Jerusalem and it felt like the end of their world. It was the end of the Mosaic age (laws of Moses) and it was the end of the Levitical priesthood. With no more Preisthood there could be no more animal sacrifices. It was the end of the Sadducees as well as the entire Old Covenant way of life. The Jews were then scattered amongst the gentile nations. With the Sanhedrin gone, the persecutions from the Old Covenant Jews came to an end. Jesus had become the new high priest and His death was the ultimate sacrifice. The new Temple had become a living Temple with Jesus at the cornerstone of the new Temple. Now if you were a Christian living in 1st century Palestine after 70 AD, you would not be saying nothing has changed about the world. Everything had changed. Even the Covernent with God had changed (although no one knows when the N.T. was completed). You have to read the New Testament and relate to what 1st century Christians were going through at the time, especially with the persecutions, the martyrdoms, the end of the Temple system, the kingdom of heaven arriving to all gentile nations, the end of the Old and the start of the New Covernent, the consummation of the Church etc. So within that 1st century generation Jesus and his disciples changed the world forever.
Now as far as what does all this mean for the 21st century. Sorry but I haven't got all the answers. You need to speak to a preterist Bible scholar.
Regards, Andy.
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You might want to check out Matthew 24.
It refers to heaven and earth passing away. I'm still here, my house is still here,
the sun is still in the sky. It's funny that isn't it. Ya don't honestly believe this stuff
do ya. Open your eyes man and read the bible, read it for yourself instead of believing
what Preterist scholars say you should believe. It helps.
Ps if preterists believe the second coming has already happened and Jesus has taken the
elect with him to live in eternal life. Then presumably the preterist scholars are really dead bodies
and their souls are living in the lake of fire and planet earth is the lake of fire?
Personally I wouldn't listen too much to dead people.
Matthew 24:29-44 NKJV
[29] "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the
powers of the heavens will be shaken.
[30] Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes
of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And He will send His angels with
a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the
four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
[32] "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become
tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. [33] So you also,
when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors! [34] Assuredly,
I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
[35] Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
[36] "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My
Father only. [37] But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son
of Man be. [38] For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
[39] and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the
coming of the Son of Man be. [40] Then two men will be in the field: one will be
taken and the other left. [41] Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be
taken and the other left. [42] Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour
your Lord is coming. [43] But know this, that if the master of the house had known
what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house
to be broken into. [44] Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming
at an hour you do not expect.
Revelation 21:22-27 NKJV
[22] But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its
temple. [23] The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the
glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. [24] And the nations of those
who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory
and honor into it. [25] Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be
no night there). [26] And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations
into it. [27] But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes
an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
It refers to heaven and earth passing away. I'm still here, my house is still here,
the sun is still in the sky. It's funny that isn't it. Ya don't honestly believe this stuff
do ya. Open your eyes man and read the bible, read it for yourself instead of believing
what Preterist scholars say you should believe. It helps.
Ps if preterists believe the second coming has already happened and Jesus has taken the
elect with him to live in eternal life. Then presumably the preterist scholars are really dead bodies
and their souls are living in the lake of fire and planet earth is the lake of fire?
Personally I wouldn't listen too much to dead people.
Matthew 24:29-44 NKJV
[29] "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the
powers of the heavens will be shaken.
[30] Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes
of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds
of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And He will send His angels with
a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the
four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
[32] "Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become
tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. [33] So you also,
when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors! [34] Assuredly,
I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
[35] Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
[36] "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My
Father only. [37] But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son
of Man be. [38] For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,
[39] and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the
coming of the Son of Man be. [40] Then two men will be in the field: one will be
taken and the other left. [41] Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be
taken and the other left. [42] Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour
your Lord is coming. [43] But know this, that if the master of the house had known
what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house
to be broken into. [44] Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming
at an hour you do not expect.
Revelation 21:22-27 NKJV
[22] But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its
temple. [23] The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the
glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. [24] And the nations of those
who are saved shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory
and honor into it. [25] Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be
no night there). [26] And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations
into it. [27] But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes
an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
