From Paul: "I know that after my departure grievous wolves will enter the flock and some will arise from among you to draw away disciples after them. God knew this would happen and prophesied it by Paul and others. Looking at the trouble, we sink into it: fault finding is not our calling. Taking the board out of our own eye, to help our brother take the speck out of His eye is walking away from bored meetings to put others down: gossip is not uplifting; and trapped in it, you would not be able to go to a meting of Catholics and feel the presence of God among God's people: at one time was not able to either. "This one thing I do, forgetting what is behind I go on"... "That I may know Him and the fellowship of His suffering and be made conformable to His death." The death of our selfish nature, our deliverance from "The lust of the flesh and of the eyes and of the pride of achievement." "You have not hindered me at all, I die daily." Neither do I consider to have attained, but this one thing I do forgetting what is behind I go on"... Turning to the Lord for deliverance from our pride of achievement: to think we are better than others. The mark of a cult is to think they are right and others wrong and that they need to save the church to feel better about themselves. Paul encountered this with the Galatians who were seduced to be under the Law: fallen from Grace, needing to prove themselves to God all over again as if this was possible now that we have Grace. Many Christians have this mind set, I did for years and including the both of you arguing. 20 years ago the Lord showed me that because of how religious I had become, He could not be any closer than He was. At the time was trying to love Him and trying to love my wife and felt like walking out on both of them, but knew there was no where to go and had to let Him change me. This religious achievement, an affront to the finished work of God: "This is the work of God to believe on Him whom He has sent. To know Jesus as our help, that He is with us in trouble and change by being content in relationship with God; to grow up in Love, by His Spirit, a lifelong Journey to enter into rest in God.