Gnostic Christianity ? met Jesus in a coma dieing from an overdose. Changed everythin

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Het

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Gnostic Christianity, opinions ideas? God does do miracles, talks with us and visions dreams etc. Is it safe to talk about this stuff hear. By the Way I really love Jesus, Holy spirit and father God. I met Jesus personally while in a coma dieing from an overdose. He Is amazing and has changed everything inside me and everything about my purpose here on earth. I simply love God and can't get enough of him.
 
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The gnostics were a form of devil worshipers and secret society. They told followers they could achieve "Christ consciousness" by following their guidelines similar to Scientology today. They were like a group that wanted to take advantage of Christians with big egos by telling them they could become god, gnosticism itself is a term associated with achieving god "form" through knowledge.

They alter stories in The Bible, such as saying Jesus planned for Judas to betray him and that it was their plan together. A number of stories are altered to deceive their followers because they are a cult that abuses and manipulates with lies.

They also portray satan as the hero "The bringer of light (knowledge), and portray God as evil and controlling. Skull and Bones society worships the number 322, because of Genesis 3:22 where God says if they eat from the tree of life they will become "Gods like us". People throughout history have attempted to use this to manipulate others into believing they can become gods through knowledge to set them on a selflish, power lusting, and ego-driven path, acting as agents of satan in the process.

Another core belief is that satan in the old testament is somehow related to Christ in the new testament. They want to confuse you into believing or associating Christ with the adversary, to manipulate you into serving the adversary and doing his work. They convoluted and spin The Truth of The Bible to get you to worship the devil, and it's packaged nicely with a bow on top so many do not realize this.

Why are you attracted to gnosticism, outside of the promises of becoming a god and other worldly powers, do you doubt the literal word of The Bible? Do you think information was suppressed and that these gnostic gospels have "secret knowledge" that contradict it?

I will discuss this with you at length, I have nothing to do tonight. Don't fall for the deception, and I won't expect you to take my word for it, I'll provide whatever I can from the comfort of my chair and google.
 
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They undermine Christ's divinity so "you can do it too" and they are satan apologists or revisionists. Look into these claims and report back here so I know you snapped out of this.
 

Het

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Maybe Gnosticism isn't the right word. I love the bible and understand it is truth. I think,most Christians might call it gifts of the Holy Spirit and operating in them to serve God. Hearing God etc.
 
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pckts

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Maybe Gnosticism isn't the right word. I love the bible and understand it is truth. I think,most Christians might call it gifts of the Holy Spirit and operating in them to serve God. Hearing God etc.
Well ok then, as long as you aren't believing outside material is equivalent to The Bible or undermines it in some way, and understand that gnosticism is a cult belief system, you are in the clear.

If you do start reading into these holy spirit abilities make sure whatever they are claiming is supported in scripture, and not in gnostic material or "some guy".
 
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Magenta

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Well ok then, as long as you aren't believing outside material is equivalent to The Bible or undermines it in some way, and understand that gnosticism is a cult belief system, you are in the clear.
I am glad you caught that :D
 

Het

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I know what you are talking about. I do see a number of varying definitions of the word gnostic out there. I'm talking aboutvseeking Jesus ,Gods will in our everyday life and how God uses things in our world to help us know his will for our lives. Asking God for his will everyday has been the big game changer for my life. I am amazed at how radically life has turned around for me by asking him daily for his will rather than my own. I met Jesus 6 years ago while I was in a coma dieing. Went to heaven saw my mother and came back. I will never be the same. Some people call it gnostic Christianity or mystical christianity. I call it a miracle and a second chance to serve Gods kingdom instead of living for myself. I spend alot of time reading his word and meditating praying everyday. Its hard to think,about all,the time I wasted not living in a close relationship with Jesus before all this happened. I lost everything in the process but gained everything when Jesus picked me up. Mind boggling sometimes
 
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I've got no idea what is a Gnostic Christianity this is new to me, but I read pckts comment...and I am beginning to understand it ...but I guess I need to read more about it :)




Hello and welcome to CC :)



God bless you ❤
 

Magenta

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Hello Het, welcome to CC! I hope you enjoy your time with us :)

Here is some of what wiki says about gnosis:

Gnosis refers to knowledge based on personal experience or perception. In a religious context, gnosis is mystical or esoteric knowledge based on direct participation with the divine. In most Gnostic systems the sufficient cause of salvation is this "knowledge of" ("acquaintance with") the divine. It is an inward "knowing," comparable to that encouraged by Plotinus (neoplatonism), and differs from Christian proto-orthodox views.

The usual meaning of gnostikos in Classical Greek texts is "learned" or "intellectual", such as used by Plato in the comparison of "practical" (praktikos) and "intellectual" (gnostikos). Plato's use of "learned" is fairly typical of Classical texts. By the Hellenistic period, it began to also be associated with Greco-Roman mysteries, becoming synonymous with the Greek term musterion.

The adjective is not used in the New Testament, but Clement of Alexandria speaks of the "learned" (gnostikos) Christian in complimentary terms. The use of gnostikos in relation to heresy originates with interpreters of Irenaeus. Some scholars consider that Irenaeus sometimes uses gnostikos to simply mean "intellectual", whereas his mention of "the intellectual sect" is a specific designation.

The term "Gnosticism" does not appear in ancient sources, and was first coined in the 17th Century by Henry More in a commentary on the seven letters of the Book of Revelation, where More used the term "Gnosticisme" to describe the heresy in Thyatira. The term Gnosticism was derived from the use of the Greek adjective gnostikos (Greek γνωστικός, "learned," "intellectual") by St. Irenaeus (c. 185 AD) to describe the school of Valentinus as he legomene gnostike haeresis "the heresy called Learned (gnostic)."
 

Het

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Thanks for the warm welcome. Maybe gnostic was the wrong word. Actually refering to,what some Christians call power of the holy spirit. Communication with God, dreams visions etc. I read Ephesians ch6 referring to the spiritual battle we are all in. Since the coma nothing has been the same. Its been wonderful not living a dry religious life of theology. Rather its been an eye popping experience praying for Gods total will in my life and asking him to use me. Hope you are well, and experiencing his love every day
 

Magenta

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Thanks for the warm welcome. Maybe gnostic was the wrong word. Actually refering to,what some Christians call power of the holy spirit. Communication with God, dreams visions etc. I read Ephesians ch6 referring to the spiritual battle we are all in. Since the coma nothing has been the same. Its been wonderful not living a dry religious life of theology. Rather its been an eye popping experience praying for Gods total will in my life and asking him to use me. Hope you are well, and experiencing his love every day
I understand how you are using the term :) God has moved powerfully in your life, bringing you from darkness and death into the Light of His love. Praise be to God and Jesus Christ, Who gave His life that we might have life more abundant.


 

Het

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Very interesting. Experiencing God through the blood of Christ. I'm a bit hesitant to say I have had "experiences" while praying because I get criticism from Christians about it. Strong experiences like visions, words of knowledge etc especially since waking up from the coma. I once saw a vision of a man's ankle and foot while praying with his mother. I asked her about it and she said her sons foot and ankle were crushed in a motorcycle accident. So we began to,seek God for his healing and for him to surrender to Gods will for his life. I've spoken to a number of other Christians that have many similar experiences. Its not the gifts we seek but the giver. Hope that makes sense. Blessings
 
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What a load of absolute rubbish. I've studied the whole of the Gnostic scriptures and don't see any of these massive distortions you made. There are many archaic stories yes, many different versions of stories yes. "Stories" get it? That means that you are not having a different version of fact, you are having a different version of a story. And on top of that, other different stories.

My main interest in studying them, was I felt that the Bible wasn't covering everything about Jesus, so I went looking for more recordings of him, albeit from a different angle. It hasn't changed my view, only enhanced it.

It enhances your view, to see things from everyone's angle and 'make up your own mind'. It makes you a medieval rack specialist, to go around crying heresy and often using lies in doing so. Heresy is very much a political thing. I'm pretty sure we have moved on from such dark times. But many morons still live in the past. A bit like how gun owners saying they are standing up for something 200+ years ago (not milking it of course).

The Cathars for example, were thought of as the revival of Gnosticism. They had many good views, and many views you wouldn't agree with. They referred to the Roman Catholic's as Satan Worshippers (just like you are using). They were all cut down and burnt at the stake. What a lovely thing for a church of Christianity to do. So lovely. A church that places a God of Love at its centre, burns people at the stake. It's sick really. A yet would Christianity have reached so far without the ruthless propaganda of the RC Church? Probably not you know.

And yet if you are firmly Old Testament version of God, you will totally agree in cutting down the enemy. Which is no different from Islamic terrorism, except you aren't acting on it (albeit just words?).

I didn't know for example, God sent evil spirits to torment someone? God wanted tumours to affect all the men women and children of the enemy? Such dangerous views if you see this as truth rather than story-telling, on a more ancient version of God. Sound's extremely subjective (if you can observe intelligently) to the man experiencing God, or writing about God. It's the kind of thing which would justify going to war in God's name. And how many times does that happen??

I just read a massive contradiction in only a few chapters. God chose Saul to be king. God rejects Saul as king. God never changes his mind. lol

Or maybe I have not got to the point of the Old Testament yet. Maybe you are going to tell me that in contrast to the New Testament, these were devil worshippers? Because if you say it is all God, well tell me why the God of the OT and NT are different?? Can you explain that?

My God, is a God of Love. I don't know what yours is.

The gnostics were a form of devil worshipers and secret society. They told followers they could achieve "Christ consciousness" by following their guidelines similar to Scientology today. They were like a group that wanted to take advantage of Christians with big egos by telling them they could become god, gnosticism itself is a term associated with achieving god "form" through knowledge.

They alter stories in The Bible, such as saying Jesus planned for Judas to betray him and that it was their plan together. A number of stories are altered to deceive their followers because they are a cult that abuses and manipulates with lies.

They also portray satan as the hero "The bringer of light (knowledge), and portray God as evil and controlling. Skull and Bones society worships the number 322, because of Genesis 3:22 where God says if they eat from the tree of life they will become "Gods like us". People throughout history have attempted to use this to manipulate others into believing they can become gods through knowledge to set them on a selflish, power lusting, and ego-driven path, acting as agents of satan in the process.

Another core belief is that satan in the old testament is somehow related to Christ in the new testament. They want to confuse you into believing or associating Christ with the adversary, to manipulate you into serving the adversary and doing his work. They convoluted and spin The Truth of The Bible to get you to worship the devil, and it's packaged nicely with a bow on top so many do not realize this.

Why are you attracted to gnosticism, outside of the promises of becoming a god and other worldly powers, do you doubt the literal word of The Bible? Do you think information was suppressed and that these gnostic gospels have "secret knowledge" that contradict it?

I will discuss this with you at length, I have nothing to do tonight. Don't fall for the deception, and I won't expect you to take my word for it, I'll provide whatever I can from the comfort of my chair and google.
 
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joefizz

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Welcome here you can discuss with bible smart people and possibly make new friends,hope you like it here!
 
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pckts

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What a load of absolute rubbish. I've studied the whole of the Gnostic scriptures and don't see any of these massive distortions you made. There are many archaic stories yes, many different versions of stories yes. "Stories" get it? That means that you are not having a different version of fact, you are having a different version of a story. And on top of that, other different stories.

My main interest in studying them, was I felt that the Bible wasn't covering everything about Jesus, so I went looking for more recordings of him, albeit from a different angle. It hasn't changed my view, only enhanced it.

It enhances your view, to see things from everyone's angle and 'make up your own mind'. It makes you a medieval rack specialist, to go around crying heresy and often using lies in doing so. Heresy is very much a political thing. I'm pretty sure we have moved on from such dark times. But many morons still live in the past. A bit like how gun owners saying they are standing up for something 200+ years ago (not milking it of course).

The Cathars for example, were thought of as the revival of Gnosticism. They had many good views, and many views you wouldn't agree with. They referred to the Roman Catholic's as Satan Worshippers (just like you are using). They were all cut down and burnt at the stake. What a lovely thing for a church of Christianity to do. So lovely. A church that places a God of Love at its centre, burns people at the stake. It's sick really. A yet would Christianity have reached so far without the ruthless propaganda of the RC Church? Probably not you know.

And yet if you are firmly Old Testament version of God, you will totally agree in cutting down the enemy. Which is no different from Islamic terrorism, except you aren't acting on it (albeit just words?).

I didn't know for example, God sent evil spirits to torment someone? God wanted tumours to affect all the men women and children of the enemy? Such dangerous views if you see this as truth rather than story-telling, on a more ancient version of God. Sound's extremely subjective (if you can observe intelligently) to the man experiencing God, or writing about God. It's the kind of thing which would justify going to war in God's name. And how many times does that happen??

I just read a massive contradiction in only a few chapters. God chose Saul to be king. God rejects Saul as king. God never changes his mind. lol

Or maybe I have not got to the point of the Old Testament yet. Maybe you are going to tell me that in contrast to the New Testament, these were devil worshippers? Because if you say it is all God, well tell me why the God of the OT and NT are different?? Can you explain that?

My God, is a God of Love. I don't know what yours is.
So you "enhanced" your view of Christ with gnostic gospels? There is no different "version" of the Truth. Don't give the gnostic texts any creedence at all, they are fabricated stories.

Don't the gnostic gospels say Christ died on a tree? They also claim the story of Noah's ark was "symbolic" of different levels of "knowledge".

The Bible covered everything about Jesus you needed to know. Anything outside of The Bible is a lie to satisfy your childlike curiosity.
 
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They don't claim he died on a tree I guess, a gnostic christian girl told me that and believed it though.

Do you subscribe to the gospel of "phillip"?

This is the one that goes into detail about Christ's supposed relationship with Mary Magdalene and calls her his "companion" or something.

gnosticism promotes reincarnation too, do you deny this?
 
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pckts

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And do you subscribe that the creator of earth was something called "the demiurge"?

And what about this gnostic text?
"Second Treatise of the Great Seth is an apocryphal Gnostic writing discovered in the Codex VII of the Nag Hammadi codices and dates to around the third century. The author is unknown, and the Seth referenced in the title appears nowhere in the text. Instead Seth is thought to reference the third son of Adam and Eve to whom gnosis was first revealed, according to some gnostics. The author appears to belong to a group of gnostics who maintain that Jesus Christ was not crucified on the cross. Instead the text says that Simon of Cyrene was mistaken for Jesus and crucified in his place. Jesus is described as standing by and "laughing at their ignorance."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Treatise_of_the_Great_Seth

This is the "absolute rubbish" you should be referring to.
 
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Miri

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Welcome Het, I have Godly dreams ive posted a few on here. There are others
also who receive dreams and the odd vision (I prefer to call them pictures).
 
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pckts

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I just read a massive contradiction in only a few chapters. God chose Saul to be king. God rejects Saul as king. God never changes his mind. lol

Or maybe I have not got to the point of the Old Testament yet. Maybe you are going to tell me that in contrast to the New Testament, these were devil worshippers? Because if you say it is all God, well tell me why the God of the OT and NT are different?? Can you explain that?

My God, is a God of Love. I don't know what yours is
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They seem the same to me. I would explain the difference to you is a lack of understanding.

The God of the Old and New Testament.

I feel above defending the Old Testament to you.