Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

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Dan_473

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For freedom Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be subject again to the yoke of slavery. 2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you at all! 3 And I testify again to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be declared righteous by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace! 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait expectantly for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision carries any weight—the only thing that matters is faith working through love.

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Look up the origins of Easter. how does it have anything to do with the messiah?
By the 17th century, there was NO CONNECTION between the origins of Easter, and the celebration of Easter as the day of resurrection. And since the day of resurrection was only three days after Passover (called Pascha), the translators of the KJV felt that the word "Easter" would be more meaningful to Christians of their day, than Pascha (which covers Passover as well as the Feast of Unleavened Bread).

Many feasts and festivals had been incorporated by the church of Rome from pagan feasts and festivals. But by the 17th century, the pagan origins had been obscured.

Technically, Christians have NOT been given any feast or festivals to be observed, based upon the New Testament, other than the Memorial Feast of the Lord's Supper. So if we wish to go strictly by the New Covenant, none of the feasts and festivals of either the Old Covenant or Christendom should be observed. Today the Hebrew Roots enthusiasts are promoting the observance of all the OT festivals, but that is not correct.
 

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because the word also means Passover as it has been for sometimew now also it speaks of spring and from the word Pascha (Greek, Latin) or Resurrection Sunday, which historically it has been known as . I find it funny the historical normitive for easter has been the resurrection of Christ. for the past 52 years it has been so for me and my father, and his father and on and on. Only legelist church folk bring up this other stuff which I maight add even the lost don't know of it LOL The long standing historical context to the word easter has been the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. and the early Church has that well documented.
The Pharisees also had religious traditions of man that they taught as doctrine for centuries. When God sent Prophets to expose these man made traditions they killed them and continued in their religious traditions of man even after Jesus came and also exposed their religious traditions, and they killed Him as well.

The argument that mixing God's Word with religious traditions of the Land is acceptable because your father and his father and his father before him have been doing it a long time has already been proven to be an unacceptable excuse to the Word which became Flesh. Besides, there has always been people who didn't believe in the Catholic creation of Easter and Christmas. And there is a valid argument against the whole "died Friday Night and Rose before daylight on Sunday" teaching because, as "legalist's" point out, the tradition isn't Biblical.

It seems like a matter of seeking the traditions of the mainstream religion of our time, or seeking the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness. Passover is safe, as is Feast of Unleavened bread. Man's religious High Days are not so safe, IMO given all the problems of those who partook in them given us in the examples written for our admonition.

Remember, the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time had lost so much of God's Word through their own religious traditions that they thought the true "Law and Prophets" were "Heresy". We are told to "Take Heed" and "Beware" of the same thing happening to us.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

The long standing historical context to the word easter has been the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. and the early Church has that well documented
The long standing historical context to the word Christmas has been the birth day of the Lord Jesus Christ. We all know this is not true but the world observes it anyway. Does it matter? Certainly not to those who partake.
 

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For freedom Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be subject again to the yoke of slavery. 2 Listen! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you at all! 3 And I testify again to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be declared righteous by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace! 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait expectantly for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision carries any weight—the only thing that matters is faith working through love.

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11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
 

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Technically, Christians have NOT been given any feast or festivals to be observed,
based upon the New Testament, other than the Memorial Feast of the Lord's Supper.

So if we wish to go strictly by the New Covenant, none of the feasts and festivals of either
the Old Covenant or Christendom should be observed. Today the Hebrew Roots enthusiasts
are promoting the observance of all the OT festivals, but that is not correct.
"this do in remembrance of me"
this is the start of the 14th [Passover]


1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you,
That the Lord Jesus [the same night] in which he was betrayed took bread:

1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat:
this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped,
saying, This cup is the [new testament] in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it,
in remembrance of me.

referring back to this...

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat
this [passover with you] before I suffer: For I say unto you, I will not
any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said,
Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

Luk 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine,
until the kingdom of God shall come.

Luk 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them,
saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying,
This cup is [the new testament] in my blood, which is shed for you.

Do what in remembrance of me? They were taking the Passover.
Jesus changed the simbles of the Passover only, did not do away with it.

The Passover service also consists of the foot washing...

Joh 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments,
and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet;
ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord;
neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them. and then Paul says this...

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth
the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump,
as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:

1Co 5:8 Therefore [let us keep the feast],
not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

And he said that to a Gentile church, to keep the feast of unleavened bread.

Acts 12:3 (KJV)
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.
(Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

Acts 20:6 (KJV)
And we sailed away from Philippi after (the days of unleavened bread),
and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.


Nowhere is a Sunday morning Ishtar sunrise service taught in scripture
but the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are taught.

The first Passover was when God covered Adams nakedness[type of sin]
with skins from an animal, shed blood.

the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread was a memorial,
ordained forever, before one word of the old covenant was spoken.
 

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Esther 9:28 NKJV
28that these days should be remembered and kept throughout every generation, every family,
every province, and every city, that these days of Purim should not fail to be observed among
the Jews, and that the memory of them should not perish among their descendants.


the Oracles of God

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of

[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
 

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11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Then Peter started speaking: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism in dealing with people, 35 but in every nation the person who fears him and does what is right is welcomed before him. 36 You know the message he sent to the people of Israel, proclaiming the good news of peace through Jesus Christ (he is Lord of all)— 37 you know what happened throughout Judea, beginning from Galilee after the baptism that John announced: 38 with respect to Jesus from Nazareth, that God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, because God was with him. 39 We are witnesses of all the things he did both in Judea and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree, 40 but God raised him up on the third day and caused him to be seen, 41 not by all the people, but by us, the witnesses God had already chosen, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to warn them that he is the one appointed by God as judge of the living and the dead. 43 About him all the prophets testify, that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
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11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
From Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ and brother of James, to those who are called, wrapped in the love of God the Father and kept for Jesus Christ. 2 May mercy, peace, and love be lavished on you!
 

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Where did God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit tell us Not to keep the Sabbath?
You are right ! neither God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or scripture ever speak against the Sabbath !
Another thing to bear in mind is that EVERYONE who TURNS TO THE LORD- meaning the one and only TRUE Lord of the Sabbath comes under the same Law and the same FLOCK (NT) as those 'Homeborn of Israel Ex 12. Isa 56, Eph 2. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither Jew nor christian.....Gal 3....as some would still have it. There is only one holy and sanctified day FOR ALL alike !!!
 

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You are right ! neither God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit or scripture ever speak against the Sabbath !
Another thing to bear in mind is that EVERYONE who TURNS TO THE LORD- meaning the one and only TRUE Lord of the Sabbath comes under the same Law and the same FLOCK (NT) as those 'Homeborn of Israel Ex 12. Isa 56, Eph 2. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither Jew nor christian.....Gal 3....as some would still have it. There is only one holy and sanctified day FOR ALL alike !!!
except that the Commands that God the Father gave Moses at Sinai were for the nation of Israel only. gentiles were never under them. and, there is lots if instructional Scripture in the N. T. for what Christians are supposed to do and not do.

no Sabbath needed for salvation. if you do not live in the piece of land that God gave Abraham, then you were not instructed to keep it.
 
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except that the Commands that God the Father gave Moses at Sinai were for the nation of Israel only. gentiles were never under them. and, there is lots if instructional Scripture in the N. T. for what Christians are supposed to do and not do.

no Sabbath needed for salvation. if you do not live in the piece of land that God gave Abraham, then you were not instructed to keep it.
Exodus 20:2-17
2 I am the LORD your God, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3You shall have no other gods before me.

4You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that takes his name in vain.

8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12Honor your father and your mother: that your days may be long on the land which the LORD your God gives you.

13You shall not kill.

14You shall not commit adultery.

15You shall not steal.

16You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17You shall not covet your neighbor's house, you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbor's.

If verse 8-10 doesn't apply to you then the rest doesn't either.
 

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Exodus 20:2-17
2 I am the LORD your God, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3You shall have no other gods before me.

4You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that takes his name in vain.

8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12Honor your father and your mother: that your days may be long on the land which the LORD your God gives you.

13You shall not kill.

14You shall not commit adultery.

15You shall not steal.

16You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17You shall not covet your neighbor's house, you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbor's.

If verse 8-10 doesn't apply to you then the rest doesn't either.
show me one N.T. command that says gentiles are to keep the Sabbath.

even more so, command keeping does not save.
 
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show me one N.T. command that says gentiles are to keep the Sabbath.

even more so, command keeping does not save.
Is Not Jesus the messiah of the old testament?

Mathew 22:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

To love God with all your heart, soul, mind is to do and Not do what he said in Exodus 20.
 

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Exodus 20:2-17
2 I am the LORD your God, which have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3You shall have no other gods before me.

4You shall not make to you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5You shall not bow down yourself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6And showing mercy to thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that takes his name in vain.

8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12Honor your father and your mother: that your days may be long on the land which the LORD your God gives you.

13You shall not kill.

14You shall not commit adultery.

15You shall not steal.

16You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17You shall not covet your neighbor's house, you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is your neighbor's.

If verse 8-10 doesn't apply to you then the rest doesn't either.
YES...the Commandments are needful for they express HOW to Love God and neighbour....the Sabbath is included because it shows Holy time to a Holy God and will also include Holy people (Saints) who keep it Ex 31v13,14, says so ! Let the Heathen rage against the God of Israel Ps 2...it will do them no good !
 

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Is Not Jesus the messiah of the old testament?

Mathew 22:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

To love God with all your heart, soul, mind is to do and Not do what he said in Exodus 20.
on the mount of transfiguration , God the Father said, in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ) , said of the Son " this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

this elevates and separates the Words Of Christ over the O.T. this, as well as many others , but this part of Scripture proves the truth of Trinity.
 

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It is really odd how gentiles/christians profess to follow the Bible, God's Word and then fight tooth and nail against HIM, wanting THEIR OWN RULES and COMMANDS of how to do things !
They are used to MANIPULATING their FALSE gods any way they like but will NEVER succeed with the GOD of ISRAEL who stands firm...so they get in a rage with all who faithfully obey !!!
They FAIL to see THEY must TURN to the LORD [of the Sabbath]....or stumble and fall !
 

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It is really odd how gentiles/christians profess to follow the Bible, God's Word and then fight tooth and nail against HIM, wanting THEIR OWN RULES and COMMANDS of how to do things !
They are used to MANIPULATING their FALSE gods any way they like but will NEVER succeed with the GOD of ISRAEL who stands firm...so they get in a rage with all who faithfully obey !!!
They FAIL to see THEY must TURN to the LORD [of the Sabbath]....or stumble and fall !
I just posted- God the Father said of the Son- hear Him. so, that would be the words in red.

God the Father did NOT say " hear me through Him.

so, by not taking the Words in red as over the rest of Scripture, you and others are directly disobeying the Father.
 

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I just posted- God the Father said of the Son- hear Him. so, that would be the words in red.

God the Father did NOT say " hear me through Him.

so, by not taking the Words in red as over the rest of Scripture, you and others are directly disobeying the Father.
And YOU say the Son says different from the Father ? Yet He says 'I only speak what my Father tells me....

somebody here is lying ! Yashua and His Father are ONE and will always say the same thing.
 
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on the mount of transfiguration , God the Father said, in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ) , said of the Son " this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

this elevates and separates the Words Of Christ over the O.T. this, as well as many others , but this part of Scripture proves the truth of Trinity.
Do you have any scripture to back that up?
looks like man-made theology.

Revelation 14:12
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 21:12
and having a great and high wall, having twelve gates, and at the gates twelve messengers, and names written on them, which are those of the twelve tribes of the children of Yisra’ĕl:

This is the Kingdom. Do you see a gate for the gentiles? NO..
If you want to remain a Gentile good luck with that..

Romans 11
Ephesians 2

Speak about being grafted into Israel .