Chosen by God - A study in Election

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Iconoclast

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False you say... I can find many modern day Calvinists, Puritans, Reformed that state it very clearly..

If men are dead in sin, helpless, and cannot believe in Christ; then the salvation of sinners of necessity involves much more than Christ dying for all men and then waiting to see who will accept His gift. If unsaved men are unable to choose or to will any spiritual good, then apart from a spiritual rebirth, no man would choose Christ.
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You should read the whole article. It is very good and accurate.Apart from a new birth they will not believe is true.
 

Iconoclast

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How the KJV bible really works...when a word or phrase is used for the first time in Scripture it’s usage will be clearly defined. This definition will hold true throughout scripture. This is called the first mention principle. Your Greek pastor probably doesn’t know this. I don’t need the Greek. I have the preserved words of God in the KJV.
So...God sent us the kjv,not the greek manuscripts,lol
 

Iconoclast

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Why is necessary to make such a false accusation, no one has denied the gift of the Holy Spirit,

However, God does not elect/chose some to salvation while denying His grace to others... this is not biblical.

Calvinism actually denies the justice of God and then seeks to deny it by stating His ways are not our ways... which in essence is a total cop out.
Your denial of biblical election shows a hatred for the True and Living God.
 
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Your denial of biblical election shows a hatred for the True and Living God.
The True and Living God does not give salvation to some and deny others.
 

cv5

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So we shouldn't be talking about having OUR hearts of stone being replaced by a heart of flesh CAUSING us to walk in Statues and ordinances, because that's about ISRAEL.
Okay. So here we go.

Old Testament: Righteous King Hezekiah and his reforms
2 Chr 30:6, 10-12
So the couriers went throughout Israel and Judah with letters from the king and his officials, which read: “Children of Israel, return to the LORD, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, so that He may return to those of you who remain, who have escaped the grasp of the kings of Assyria.
10So the runners passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh, as far as Zebulun; but they laughed at them and mocked them. 11Nevertheless some from Asher, Manasseh, and Zebulun humbled themselves and came to Jerusalem. 12Also the hand of God was on Judah to give them singleness of heart to obey the command of the king and the leaders, at the word of the Lord.

New Testament:
Phil 2:13
For it is God who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose.

John 5:15
I am the vine; you are the branches. The one abiding in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit. For apart from Me you are able to do nothing.
 

cv5

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I've replied hundreds of times : Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
Did you fail to read this post? Because I am quite sure that you are in error on this point.
Here it is again for your edification......Great post by Iconoclast!

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cv5

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Try Ezk36:25-27...all Christian's like these verses
Amen brother we need to hear these verses! Thrills my heart and brings tears to my eyes! Let us all bow down to the Lord God Almighty and praise him for His mighty works, His lovingkindness, His grace, His infinite well of mercy.

Ezekiel 36....
22“Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations.32Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”

Indeed the Lord God Almighty is taking the initiative to FIRST OF ALL save His people so that they might repent!
 

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Did you fail to read this post? Because I am quite sure that you are in error on this point.
Here it is again for your edification......Great post by Iconoclast!

#783
yes I know the doctrines of Augustine. I'm looking for context not a grenade of proof text exploding everywhere.
 

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Amen brother we need to hear these verses! Thrills my heart and brings tears to my eyes! Let us all bow down to the Lord God Almighty and praise him for His mighty works, His lovingkindness, His grace, His infinite well of mercy.

Ezekiel 36....
22“Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations.32Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”

Indeed the Lord God Almighty is taking the initiative to FIRST OF ALL save His people so that they might repent!
O house of Israel!
 

throughfaith

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Amen brother we need to hear these verses! Thrills my heart and brings tears to my eyes! Let us all bow down to the Lord God Almighty and praise him for His mighty works, His lovingkindness, His grace, His infinite well of mercy.

Ezekiel 36....
22“Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. 23And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. 24For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. 25Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. 26I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. 27I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. 28Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. 29I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. 30And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. 31Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations.32Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”

Indeed the Lord God Almighty is taking the initiative to FIRST OF ALL save His people so that they might repent!
" you shall dwell in the land " context anyone ?
 

cv5

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The True and Living God does not give salvation to some and deny others.
My question to you is:
Are you going to (or able to) put a new heart and a new Spirit in yourself by yourself of yourself, whereby and wherewith you should repent and be given the faith to believe?
 

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You say that the order, source and sequence of salvation for Israel is different than for us gentiles.
And I say no way José. It works exactly the same for everybody everywhere all the time.
 

throughfaith

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My question to you is:
Are you going to (or able to) put a new heart and a new Spirit in yourself by yourself of yourself, whereby and wherewith you should repent and be given the faith to believe?
1¶Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD:

4Therefore, ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD;

8But ye, O mountains of Israel, ye shall shoot forth your branches, and yield your fruit to my people of Israel; for they are at hand to come.

12Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they

17Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land,

21But I had pity for mine holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the heathen, whither they went

22¶Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel,
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, ( who ? gee I wonder !!! ) and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

So we should have all Calvinists being caused to walk in Gods statues and ordinances today in 2020 with there shiny new hearts they have been given . Context and Calvinism, never go together . Not one time , ever .
 

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You say that the order, source and sequence of salvation for Israel is different than for us gentiles.
And I say no way José. It works exactly the same for everybody everywhere all the time.
I bet your one of the 144000 also ? 144000 calvinists , From every tribe of Calvin .O House of Calvin .
 
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