The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit resurrected Jesus
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Those verses say that the Father taught Jesus what to say or tells Him what to say.
This verse definitely says that Jesus (The Son of God) is speaking and not the Father speaking through Him, rather Jesus repeats what He heard:
John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
The Pharisees doubted Him. His disciples believed Him.
20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21But he spake of the temple of his body. 22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
I'll believe Him because He said it.
Now moving on, see where Jesus differentiates His actions from His Father's actions? Jesus is definitely saying it's Him, the Son of God, making choices here.
John 10:17-18
17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
This verse definitely says that Jesus (The Son of God) is speaking and not the Father speaking through Him, rather Jesus repeats what He heard:
John 2:19
19Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
The Pharisees doubted Him. His disciples believed Him.
20Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21But he spake of the temple of his body. 22When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
I'll believe Him because He said it.
Now moving on, see where Jesus differentiates His actions from His Father's actions? Jesus is definitely saying it's Him, the Son of God, making choices here.
John 10:17-18
17Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Jesus said that He has the power of the resurrection. Do you believe that He resurrected Himself seeing as how He has that power to not only resurrect others, but also Himself?
Jojn 11:25
25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jojn 11:25
25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
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1John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us:
and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
We are to lay down our lives also though.
"Therefore doth my father love me, and hereby perceive we the love of God" in both of them arent we to do the same? He said, whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it, which is to save it alive. Somewhat the same.
and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
We are to lay down our lives also though.
"Therefore doth my father love me, and hereby perceive we the love of God" in both of them arent we to do the same? He said, whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it, which is to save it alive. Somewhat the same.
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^^This^^
Its not like we do not agree Jesus said this or that, but since the Father gave him the words to speak its perfectly fine to raise the question seeing (as you yourself have posted) the many more verses showing that God the Father raised him from the dead where it is far clearer. But its really not a big deal in a way because you are not denying Jesus, His words, or the resurrection. Where one is more obscure and the many are far more clearer you second guess whether you have understood what he might have meant. Especially when the use of the laying down of his life (the commandment given of the Father) to do so to take it again, because we too are to do the same thing but then when looking at the taking it up again part its a common wording used throughout the scriptures, and often used in many more places as "receive".
Its not like we do not agree Jesus said this or that, but since the Father gave him the words to speak its perfectly fine to raise the question seeing (as you yourself have posted) the many more verses showing that God the Father raised him from the dead where it is far clearer. But its really not a big deal in a way because you are not denying Jesus, His words, or the resurrection. Where one is more obscure and the many are far more clearer you second guess whether you have understood what he might have meant. Especially when the use of the laying down of his life (the commandment given of the Father) to do so to take it again, because we too are to do the same thing but then when looking at the taking it up again part its a common wording used throughout the scriptures, and often used in many more places as "receive".
It looks like some people still struggle with the co-equal Father, Son & Holy Spirit. Even though it's basic Christian orthodoxy.
I'll bet you're sorry you started this seemingly innocuous thread.
It didn't look like there was anything to argue about in the OP. I was expecting more Amen's & Hallelujah's than anything else.
I'll bet you're sorry you started this seemingly innocuous thread.
It didn't look like there was anything to argue about in the OP. I was expecting more Amen's & Hallelujah's than anything else.
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It looks like some people still struggle with the co-equal Father, Son & Holy Spirit. Even though it's basic Christian orthodoxy.
I'll bet you're sorry you started this seemingly innocuous thread.
It didn't look like there was anything to argue about in the OP. I was expecting more Amen's & Hallelujah's than anything else.
I'll bet you're sorry you started this seemingly innocuous thread.
It didn't look like there was anything to argue about in the OP. I was expecting more Amen's & Hallelujah's than anything else.
But just for good measure Amen, Hallelujah!
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We know that Jesus is the firstbegotten of the dead
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead
And after raising Jesus up according to Moses words in Deut 18:18 (as shown in Acts 3:22 & Acts 7:37) God does so again after this manner (as recorded in the Psalm)
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
The Apostles said God had to fulfill the same in the second psalm (and so he did)
Acts 1:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Jesus the first begotten of the dead. It was the Father said unto Jesus that he had begotten him even there and was actually something that needed to be fulfilled in the OT Psalms (Psalm 2:7).
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Not to mention it also says in the same context
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
This happened after he departed the earth because if he were on earth he should not be a priest Hebrews 8:4
Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly
Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Romans 4:24 ... if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead
1 Cr 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
1 Cr 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
2 Cr 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Acts 26:8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Acts 13:29-30 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
Ephes 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ (establishing context)...19 And...the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead
Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
1 Thes 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead
And after raising Jesus up according to Moses words in Deut 18:18 (as shown in Acts 3:22 & Acts 7:37) God does so again after this manner (as recorded in the Psalm)
Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
The Apostles said God had to fulfill the same in the second psalm (and so he did)
Acts 1:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Jesus the first begotten of the dead. It was the Father said unto Jesus that he had begotten him even there and was actually something that needed to be fulfilled in the OT Psalms (Psalm 2:7).
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Not to mention it also says in the same context
Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
This happened after he departed the earth because if he were on earth he should not be a priest Hebrews 8:4
Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly
Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
Romans 4:24 ... if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead
1 Cr 6:14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
1 Cr 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
2 Cr 4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Acts 26:8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead?
Acts 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Acts 13:29-30 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead
Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Gal 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
Ephes 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ (establishing context)...19 And...the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead
Who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
1 Thes 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus
Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus