Is the law a blessing or a curse?

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101G

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Addressing the OP, it can be a blessing in traning, (only), for it was a schoolmater unto us until Christ came. and since christ has come, then it is or should be no more for us, for, Galatians 3:22 "But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe."
Galatians 3:23 "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."
Galatians 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
Galatians 3:25 "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."
Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

so, by being in Christ Jesus we're no longer subject to the Written Law, supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

our righteousness is inChrist Jesus, just as the apostle said in verse9, "this we know, for we are no longer children, but SONS, Galatians 4:5 "To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons."
Galatians 4:6 "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
Galatians 4:7 "Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."

for we must grow up, no longer a child, but Sons "LEAD BY HIM... the Spirit", what was written on stone is now, by Faith in our Hearts, which the Holy Ghost guides us and comfort us. and he told us what he require even in the OT, listen,

Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" IF THIS IS NOT NT, TELL ME WHAT IS?. if we do these thing, we have fulfilled the WRITTEN LAW.

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101G said:
Addressing the OP, it can be a blessing in traning, (only), for it was a schoolmater unto us until Christ came. and since christ has come, then it is or should be no more for us, for, Galatians 3:22 "But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe."
Galatians 3:23 "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."
Galatians 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."
Galatians 3:25 "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."
Galatians 3:26 "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."
Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Galatians 3:29 "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

so, by being in Christ Jesus we're no longer subject to the Written Law, supportive scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

our righteousness is inChrist Jesus, just as the apostle said in verse9, "this we know, for we are no longer children, but SONS, Galatians 4:5 "To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons."
Galatians 4:6 "And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father."
Galatians 4:7 "Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."

for we must grow up, no longer a child, but Sons "LEAD BY HIM... the Spirit", what was written on stone is now, by Faith in our Hearts, which the Holy Ghost guides us and comfort us. and he told us what he require even in the OT, listen,

Micah 6:8 "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" IF THIS IS NOT NT, TELL ME WHAT IS?. if we do these thing, we have fulfilled the WRITTEN LAW.

PICJAG,
101G
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Thanks so much for this thorough blog about the law.

But anytime anyone pin points one aspect of the law and says that is what the law is all about is using the law in the wrong way. The law is a school master in the sense that when the commandments were given they led to learning to keep the spirit of the law. But the law has a lot more aspects and uses, if we limit it to that one we are misrepresenting the law.
 
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It means that sin kills.
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No, it does not mean that sin kills. It means that those who do not obey the law completely are cursed.

Deuteronomy 27:26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
 
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No, it does not mean that sin kills. It means that those who do not obey the law completely are cursed.

Deuteronomy 27:26 ‘Cursed is the one who does not confirm all the words of this law by observing them.’ “And all the people shall say, ‘Amen!’ ”

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
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And those who are forgiven through Christ have life, I don't think any play on word meanings can deny that.
 
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It means that sin kills.
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it means much more than that

thats the penalty of breaking the law. (Cursed is the one who does not obey ALL)

the law you want to follow, will condemn you where you stand
 
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And those who are forgiven through Christ have life, I don't think any play on word meanings can deny that.
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"Play on word meanings"? What are you on about now?
 
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Do any of the Christians here see the law as a blessing and not a curse? The 119th Psalm says it is a blessing, do you agree?

Here are some of my thoughts about what scripture tells us about the law:

There are many posts speaking against the law, but both our secular and spiritual life is governed by law.

We accept the secular law as good, yet there is no forgiveness for disobeying those laws, and there is forgiveness for disobeying the laws given us by the Lord. Yet even those who live a life forgiven by the lord and made righteous through Him complain and bring out that the laws are a curse because unforgiven disobedience has a curse of death.

The spiritual laws need to be obeyed through the heart, and not through legalism. Some Christians believe the Lord cancelled all the law He gave us because of this. They say the law is only a schoolmaster, and we do not need it any more. Do you think this?
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It's only a CURSE to those who break it, THE LAW is not a curse to God, but it is to Satan, it is not a curse to the Angels who remained faithful, but it is to those of us who were born under Sin Nature because it pronounces our sins as worthy of death, and thus we need a redeemer or else we die.

So, the Law in itself is not nor can be a curse, it's a curse to all who sin. This is why it can not save us, only a Redeemer can save us. Gal. chapter 3 explains this pretty well.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
it means much more than that

thats the penalty of breaking the law. (Cursed is the one who does not obey ALL)

the law you want to follow, will condemn you where you stand
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And as you condemn the Christ within who asks you to obey Him, you stand condemned according to scripture. You are denying Christ.
 
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And as you condemn the Christ within who asks you to obey Him, you stand condemned according to scripture. You are denying Christ.
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That's just wacky. How about you come back to reality and respond to what he actually wrote, instead of responding to your fantastic corruption of what he wrote.
 
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That's just wacky. How about you come back to reality and respond to what he actually wrote, instead of responding to your fantastic corruption of what he wrote.
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To you it is wacky to repent of sin and want to accept the righteousness of Christ, to me it is the way of the truth. All these posts about how TEERRRRIBBBLE it is to delight in the righteousness that Christ gives, it means living without the grace of the Lord is plain wacky.
 
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To you it is wacky to repent of sin and want to accept the righteousness of Christ, to me it is the way of the truth. All these posts about how TEERRRRIBBBLE it is to delight in the righteousness that Christ gives, it means living without the grace of the Lord is plain wacky.
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You’re being completely ridiculous.
 
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You’re being completely ridiculous.
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The law is so many things, scripture is full of explaining it. It tells us what sin is, it guides our living in Christ's righteousness. It seems a terrible shame to me to bring out the sin the law explains, to lead people away from the good of the law as they try to make what God gave us for our blessing into only a curse for us. I am dedicating to speak against such posts.
 
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The law is so many things, scripture is full of explaining it. It tells us what sin is, it guides our living in Christ's righteousness. It seems a terrible shame to me to bring out the sin the law explains, to lead people away from the good of the law as they try to make what God gave us for our blessing into only a curse for us. I am dedicating to speak against such posts.
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There are no such posts. You're chasing phantoms and tilting at windmills.
 
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The law is so many things, scripture is full of explaining it. It tells us what sin is, it guides our living in Christ's righteousness. It seems a terrible shame to me to bring out the sin the law explains, to lead people away from the good of the law as they try to make what God gave us for our blessing into only a curse for us. I am dedicating to speak against such posts.
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Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

So we being dead to the law frees us from the law as many scriptures affirm. The old law is dead, we are then in response dead to that law and free to re-marry a new husband and law...the law of Christ of the new covenant being no longer bound to the old dead law.

You teach the opposite of this. I am dedicated to speak against such posts.
 
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Surely even you can understand that the Lord hates sin, and the law tells us what sin is. Surely you would not preach to Christians not to learn anything about sin because it is hated by the Lord? You say we are dead to the law. The Lord tells us this because we are saved from the law that tells us of the sin that would kill us without Christ, you tell it to say that we must not learn what sin is as we are to be dead to knowing of sin. Surely, if you think it through, you can see the error?
 
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It is a mystery to me that most posts are against God's law. It seems to me it is denying that the 119th psalm is scripture. There are scriptures after scripture telling us to obey, yet any post repeating this is immediately condemned as wrong. Any time the word obey is included a post the reaction is to point out the truth that it is faith that saves, not works. The truth that when God enters lives they change to doing good is downplayed.

Secular history tells us that when a nation becomes Christian that nation changes to a place that is good to live in because of the power for good that Christianity is. Today much of that power for good is gone, just as it is denied that the Lord wants His people to reflect Him. God is sinless and God within should give strength tor obedience and only good. Yet the power of these posts is against good. If obedience is mentioned the taunt follows: are you sinless. It is as if they think that faith is opposed to obedience, something scripture does not say. True faith leads to obedience, it is not opposed to obedience.

One poster even had the nerve to pit Paul and David as opposed to each other instead of both being scripture, saying they followed Paul. They didn't seem to be aware that to follow David is to follow Paul.
 
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