1 Timothy 2.15 ?

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throughfaith

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15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

What is this verse about? In context?
With the theme of this letter and the context of the chapters surrounding and leading up to this verse ,what is it saying ?
 
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throughfaith said:
15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

What is this verse about? In context?
With the theme of this letter and the context of the chapters surrounding and leading up to this verse ,what is it saying ?
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Paul is referring back to Gen.3, where the woman symbolizes the church, which is one with Christ (her husband) and gives birth to his body (the children).
 
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throughfaith said:
15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

What is this verse about? In context?
With the theme of this letter and the context of the chapters surrounding and leading up to this verse ,what is it saying ?
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For a start the 'saving' is not about eternal salvation.

It is about the affects of sin from the fall.

People having to work to till the ground.. the plants not giving the nutrients they used to etc.. and women enduring strong pain in child birth.

The woman though, thru the joy of raising children, having a 'salvaged' life in comparison to the curse of sin.

That's how I've looked at it.

Scripture to come
 
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wattie said:
For a start the 'saving' is not about eternal salvation.

It is about the affects of sin from the fall.

People having to work to till the ground.. the plants not giving the nutrients they used to etc.. and women enduring strong pain in child birth.

The woman though, thru the joy of raising children, having a 'salvaged' life in comparison to the curse of sin.

That's how I've looked at it.

Scripture to come
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Ok so tracking through the verses surrounding and the thrust of the chapter, what leads you to that conclusion with the text ?
 
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wattie said:
For a start the 'saving' is not about eternal salvation.

It is about the affects of sin from the fall.

People having to work to till the ground.. the plants not giving the nutrients they used to etc.. and women enduring strong pain in child birth.

The woman though, thru the joy of raising children, having a 'salvaged' life in comparison to the curse of sin.

That's how I've looked at it.

Scripture to come
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And what is she saved from ?
 
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And what is she saved from ?
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Part of living a salvaged life to Christ, is living in sobriety etc.. with child bearing ..

They are saved from, I'm thinking.. a life of deception from being under the curse of sin.

It's still not about eternal salvation.. but what is the response having been given it
 
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I found it most interesting that I could birth children with absolutely no pain when I managed to so control my voluntary muscles so they did not help (interfere) with the involuntary birth muscles they Lord had provided me with but completely trusted them to carry out the birth.

It was a lesson in trust in the Lord.
 
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