What Verse or Passage of scripture do you find difficult to interpret?

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Journeyman

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This passage has always left me wondering with more than a few questions. What could Jesus mean by these words. That there was no real peace and fellowship intended to be within a family? Are there no happy families? I get that God wants us to be happy and look to Him for guidance. Is this Jesus' way of telling us that there will always be battles to fight at home and that we should all individually look to God for help and guidance. Sure, God is worthy of our love more than any other in the world. But this passage was and still is an enigma to me. If you could give your thoughts on it, it's great.

34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the world. No, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 I came to set sons against their fathers, daughters against their mothers, daughters-in-law against their mothers-in-law; 36 your worst enemies will be the members of your own family.

37 “Those who love their father or mother more than me are not fit to be my disciples; those who love their son or daughter more than me are not fit to be my disciples. 38 Those who do not take up their cross and follow in my steps are not fit to be my disciples. 39 Those who try to gain their own life will lose it; but those who lose their life for my sake will gain it.

Matthew 10:34-39
In this passage, our Lord is teaching us that no one could love their parents, their friends and all mankind more than he does, but he was abused by someones father, son, mother, daughter. So in fact, our sweet Savior wants us to know is that some people will despise the love we have for them.
 

justahumanbeing

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When I read this because of the context where he has been talking about persecution when family members will deliver one another up to be put to death, (vs 21...) and because of the immediate context about denying him before men (vs 32...) He is talking about what it means to be a true disciple.

Family members are going to bring hostility and pressure upon a true disciple to reject the Gospel and what it means to follow Jesus and to conform to the world or they will get the cold shoulder and even open hostility. Today Members of the believers own family will call him or her a hater if they say what the Bible teaches about homosexual sin for example.

You hear him saying that to follow Jesus means take up your cross and be willing to die for His name and to refuse to compromise with sin and the world. Those who are not willing to go that far will separate from us and in some cases when persecution from governments come in the shape of arrests they will even turn us in as criminals. But we must not let the family relationships take preeminence over our relationship with Christ and we must not deny Him or His Word even when there is pressure from family to do so.

Jesus came to demand decisions from people. Follow Him for real or be lost. No compromise! Not everyone will sign up for this. If wife doesn't want to, or another family member says the Bible is wrong, Choose Jesus and keep obeying Him. Those unbelievers and rebellious in the family will turn on you. Jesus is saying the time is urgent. It is now or never. Eternity is at stake. Jesus is saying I came to stir things up and kindle a fire. Start a riot! (verse Luke 12:49. Luke 12:51 repeats this same statement about division in the family)

All you have to do to earn the ire of your unbelieving family members is live a life of no compromise in obedience to Christ and they will hate you for it. The holier you live the more they will rage. The more you talk about Jesus the more they will want to kill you in their hearts if not in real life.

These things were realized in the first century and beyond under various extreme persecutions when family members turned in one another for being a Christian out of fear of losing their own lives and property if they did not. And it will happen again under the reign of the Antichrist most likely.
Sadly, it has always happened in my life. There is another verse too like this.

49 “I came to set the earth on fire, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 I have a baptism to receive, and how distressed I am until it is over! 51 Do you suppose that I came to bring peace to the world? No, not peace, but division. 52 From now on a family of five will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 Fathers will be against their sons, and sons against their fathers; mothers will be against their daughters, and daughters against their mothers; mothers-in-law will be against their daughters-in-law, and daughters-in-law against their mothers-in-law.”

You have quoted it as well. Luke Chapter 12: 49 - 53.

I always thought families could live peaceably. I have not seen any family or known any family that is completely free of a turbulent life.

That's life. I agree though. Our calling directs us first to God and then to family members and others. Not the other way around. That's what sets apart being a follower of Christ from others.
 

Mem

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1COR11:10 - there's a whole lot of eisegesis concerning this chapter and topic, but this verse specifically is particularly difficult.

New International Version
It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.
Living Translation
For this reason, and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority.
English Standard Version
That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
Berean Study Bible
For this reason a woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.
Berean Literal Bible
Because of this, the woman ought to have authority on the head, on account of the angels.
King James Bible
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels
 

Mem

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Some time back, almost 10 years ago, though it feels more like it might've been 20 years ago.. I took a selfie to use for personal profile when I started online study at university. It struck me funny that the background sort of made me look a bit like a triumphant wonder woman and so I posted it on my social media with a meme that said, " I don't care, where's my wonder woman headband?" and my brother commented, "I was going to say..."
Then, not long after setting up the former profile, I decided to use it for my windows profile pic also, except a black and white version. Well, when I converted it to the black and white I noticed the lines of my nose and across my forehead formed an uncanny appearance of a cross on my face and wondered, "Can this actually be the sign of authority on my head?!"
Well, recently somewhere on this forum, a gentleman linked for me an article related to this subject that featured wonder woman as an example. And God knows I don't believe in coincidences.

For me, it confirmed the notion I got, as this tied this back to that. And I'm ruling with it :cool:

1COR11:10 - there's a whole lot of eisegesis concerning this chapter and topic, but this verse specifically is particularly difficult.

New International Version
It is for this reason that a woman ought to have authority over her own head, because of the angels.
Living Translation
For this reason, and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority.
English Standard Version
That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
Berean Study Bible
For this reason a woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head, because of the angels.
Berean Literal Bible
Because of this, the woman ought to have authority on the head, on account of the angels.
King James Bible
For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels
 

Snacks

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Jesus is arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane. As he’s being led away, the following is written and I don’t understand why:

Now he certain young man followed Him, having a linen cloth thrown around his naked body. And the young men laid hold of him, and he left the linen cloth and fled from them naked ~~ Mark 14:51-52
 

Amanuensis

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Jesus is arrested in the Garden of Gethsemane. As he’s being led away, the following is written and I don’t understand why:

Now he certain young man followed Him, having a linen cloth thrown around his naked body. And the young men laid hold of him, and he left the linen cloth and fled from them naked ~~ Mark 14:51-52
Good one. I don't think anyone else knows either but one of the guesses is that it was Mark, the author of the Gospel.

Like how John wrote about himself as "the one whom Jesus loved."

Since only Mark writes about it. Probably him.

Why is it important? If it was John Mark he also had the issue of quitting on the missionary journey with Paul and Barnabas. That was quite a scene and caused Paul and Barnabas to split on the next missionary journey because Paul didn't want to take Mark.

When he wrote Mark it was after all that and by then he had been considered faithful and profitable for the ministry by Paul.

So maybe he is mentioning it because the Lord wanted him to remember how far he had come a testimony of how God changes people and makes them bold and faithful. The original readers probably understood it. That's my guess.
 

Snacks

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Good one. I don't think anyone else knows either but one of the guesses is that it was Mark, the author of the Gospel.

Like how John wrote about himself as "the one whom Jesus loved."

Since only Mark writes about it. Probably him.

Why is it important? If it was John Mark he also had the issue of quitting on the missionary journey with Paul and Barnabas. That was quite a scene and caused Paul and Barnabas to split on the next missionary journey because Paul didn't want to take Mark.

When he wrote Mark it was after all that and by then he had been considered faithful and profitable for the ministry by Paul.

So maybe he is mentioning it because the Lord wanted him to remember how far he had come a testimony of how God changes people and makes them bold and faithful. The original readers probably understood it. That's my guess.
That sounds like a legit reason. Thank you for sharing your insight, brother.