Ukraine the bad guy?

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Zandar

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What's interesting to me about Russia is that so many over there have a very traditionalist view on homo. They think its a sin over there. Which would be funny if it wasnt so serious because when I grew up, Russia was suppose to be atheist and were persecuting Christians. Now its the opposite.
 

Billyd

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A point about the patriot missile system. There is a tremendous amount of AI built into the system. Accuracy will improve every time a target is engaged and a hit or miss occurs. This little bout is giving the US and NATO invaluable data to use on systems now in production, but not in use.
 

Susanna

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Odessa has just suffered perhaps 15 missile strikes. Russian missiles are dominating the skies with total impunity.
No answer from the AFU......not looking good for them. Russia has been ramping up these strikes on military targets.
When there are no more targets to be found, and no more Ukrainian conscripts remaining to be shaken out of the cities, will the war then be over?

Russian state media reports from outlets like Iz.ru and kp.ru, yes I’m sure they are pushing the narrative you’re dreaming about. Unfortunately they are just reporting what the Kremlin tells them to. So is their Twitter minions.

It doesn’t seem like you want the war to end unless the Russians wins a total military victory. Where does that leave you?
 

JohnDB

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What's interesting to me about Russia is that so many over there have a very traditionalist view on homo. They think its a sin over there. Which would be funny if it wasnt so serious because when I grew up, Russia was suppose to be atheist and were persecuting Christians. Now its the opposite.
Oh they are still persecuting Christians....especially evangelical Baptists.
 

Zandar

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i know they are dead set against homos. thats more of a christian mindset than most americans
 

iamsoandso

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i know they are dead set against homos. thats more of a christian mindset than most americans
Younger members(20's) of my family were talking about all the mixed race and homosexual commercials and movies the other day and we(the older members) ask them about it. They said that in the gaming forums(I've never played any video games so don't know where the chat part is,lol) they are beginning to get really irritated by constantly being shown this. My family members are Christian so I didn't think much of it at first but they pointed out that those who are not Christian are beginning to get really irritated by it also and starting to grumble about it aloud.

They were talking about the movie streaming where in the categories it says "continue watching" and that they hoped Hollywood was paying attention to the exact spot in those movies where they were all stopping watching and suggesting that everyone send that message back to Hollywood. I didn't realize that I myself had already been doing that very thing until they brought it up but it is actually a little mini survey(the feature, "continue watching") but most near every movie on my TV in the category "continue watching" me or my wife had stopped at a point in the movie that was offensive to us. Anyway it doesn't seem as if this is all being accepted as the booger man was hoping in the US but more of a fad that they thought would come and go away and their beginning to speak up about it.
 

Zandar

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im sure a lot of folks dont agree but i was shocked when a lot of my family was ok with some of our members behavior. No one wants to be mean to anyone but it doesnt mean you need to announce your approval and go to the wedding. i will never attend a wedding of the same sex. its like people dont respect God at all
 

iamsoandso

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im sure a lot of folks dont agree but i was shocked when a lot of my family was ok with some of our members behavior. No one wants to be mean to anyone but it doesnt mean you need to announce your approval and go to the wedding. i will never attend a wedding of the same sex. its like people dont respect God at all
In the same manner it's all about ethnic values,,, we say things aloud like nuke them till they glow and that they make their women wear burkas and walk behind them so were going to free them from this. Everyone cheers and stands in line to participate in the thing they see as immorality. Their announcing in their own commercials the list of products to stop purchasing and eventually everyone will resist the urge to continue watching.
 

JohnDB

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I'm wondering about what the world will look like at the end of this war.

With the WHOLE WORLD putting severe sanctions in place and Russia stopping all grain shipments out of Ukraine....everyone is only getting more mad at Russia than ever before.

Then because of internal fighting and a lack of Op-sec Russia is going to implode with everyone making a power grab. Likely even going into multiple states as local oligarchs start their own territories and PMCs. Meaning if Russia is fragmented into multiple pieces....their military is kaput and nuclear weapons are in the hands of petty tyrants.

This ain't good in any fashion either.

But if Ukraine takes Crimea back....the ultimate failure is all on Putin's head. And the military will completely collapse. The Ruble is already dropping and being propped up by reserves....that is not going to last much longer. Russian reserves are down 75% and the Russian economy is down over 40% (with latest sanctions).

Meaning they won't be able to pay soldiers, police, or their massive disinformation networks. (Everyone copying the RDC will still get their SM clicks and payments)

But essentially just like when the USSR collapsed its going to be chaos again.

Can Russia win?
No. Not with the whole world against them. There is no scenario where Russia comes out on top with the whole world against them.
The best that Russia can hope for is to remain intact as a nation at this point. They can kill a lot of people in the meantime and cause a lot of destruction....even genocide. Possibly even start a nuclear exchange. But they will not exist anymore if they do so. Basically the same outcome as before.
 

cv5

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Superb Russian ISR......down to a resolution of a single house. And targeting accomplished in real time literally within minutes.
Z does not care. He is not even in the country. Probably checking into his Cayman bank account app every 5 minutes.

 

Fundaamental

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I'm wondering about what the world will look like at the end of this war.

With the WHOLE WORLD putting severe sanctions in place and Russia stopping all grain shipments out of Ukraine....everyone is only getting more mad at Russia than ever before.

Then because of internal fighting and a lack of Op-sec Russia is going to implode with everyone making a power grab. Likely even going into multiple states as local oligarchs start their own territories and PMCs. Meaning if Russia is fragmented into multiple pieces....their military is kaput and nuclear weapons are in the hands of petty tyrants.

This ain't good in any fashion either.

But if Ukraine takes Crimea back....the ultimate failure is all on Putin's head. And the military will completely collapse. The Ruble is already dropping and being propped up by reserves....that is not going to last much longer. Russian reserves are down 75% and the Russian economy is down over 40% (with latest sanctions).

Meaning they won't be able to pay soldiers, police, or their massive disinformation networks. (Everyone copying the RDC will still get their SM clicks and payments)

But essentially just like when the USSR collapsed its going to be chaos again.

Can Russia win?
No. Not with the whole world against them. There is no scenario where Russia comes out on top with the whole world against them.
The best that Russia can hope for is to remain intact as a nation at this point. They can kill a lot of people in the meantime and cause a lot of destruction....even genocide. Possibly even start a nuclear exchange. But they will not exist anymore if they do so. Basically the same outcome as before.
All this would be true if Russia really was alone in this conflict, all they have to do is raise the debt ceiling and print more money like America is doing.

Russia is not going to run out of weapons or money, there just making there people suffer poverty and hardship

No doubt the world is returning back to rationing, like iñ the second world war and first world war.

The end result is the poverty gets worse and conflict gets higher and hey presto, more conflicts

Who is paying for the war ?.

The people all over the world are paying for it.

Russia provides natural resources to China ànd India the two biggest populated countries in the world plus the middle eàst.

In return china can provide weapons to Russia.

China and India and Saudi Arabia can sell Russia's natural resources on.

America does the same they have arms agreements with the UK who provide weapons to Saudi who sell them on or vise versa UK to America to Saudi.

There all in it together where you get all theese leader giving freedom speeches all blaming each other, and all giving plans on how they will save a world they've broken in the first place.

Like pushing for renewables or genetically grown food or more indoor farms that offer low maintenance and need no soil and less water.

Yeah all this will happen but poverty will be so high by then that we will be paying for it for a long time.

When that day come new war will emerge through ai artificial intelligence, and boom they will wipe the natural resources out all over again.

Or we will get a ñew dictator call cropolf hitler assinating the crops.

I mean seriously could you think of more appropriate name for a dictator (Hitler). Hit as in hitting everyone with assassination, that really was a fixed name.
 

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gb9

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Why don’t you just admit that you’re Russian?
so, anyone who does not buy into exactly what our media and politicians say about russia-ukraine is russian??

having a different outlook is treason??
 

ZNP

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so, anyone who does not buy into exactly what our media and politicians say about russia-ukraine is russian??

having a different outlook is treason??
Oh, is that what she meant? I thought russian was code for someone not fooled by the "official narrative"
 

cv5

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Why don’t you just admit that you’re Russian?
I will only admit that I love the Ukrainian and Russian peoples equally. Can you say the same?