water baptism in Jesus' Name.

All things God does...not the individual.

I use the kjv and the NLT...where there is discrepancy, I believe that the kjv trumps every other version.

No, I did not see them in my Bible either. Did you?

Maybe you can bring them to the forefront for us, by quoting them to us.

Well good on yah! Another thread.

Funny though that you will not come right out and say you are not Oneness devotees.

Jesus will confess you before His Father and the angels if you confess Him before men...is that not salvation?

And yes, baptism in Jesus' Name is a confession, to the uttermost, of Jesus Christ before men.

No turning back.

And how much reasonable doubt would you like to spread around scripture? Anything you do not find that agrees with your beliefs?

Your beliefs fall apart is what falls apart though LOL!...You just cannot seem to understand that the NT ordinance for baptism is not the same as John's baptism no matter how much you want it to be.

He could be baptized 7 ways from Sunday and it would still not be the believer's baptism.

Truly, you have a personal case of the blind leading the blind.

I'm sorry but I was going by what you said; that the concept was not in chapter 3 of John.

You were clearly mistaken on that.

And verses 22-26 are clearly in the immediate context of John 3:3-5; being in the same chapter.

I go by the English because I believe that God preserves His unadulterated message in the English.

The original manuscripts have been lost to us. Therefore it is a mistake to attempt to rely on the Greek.

Or, we can play chess or maybe hide 'n seek? You seem to like games

At least give the right reference when you are referencing scripture.

Acts 2:38-39 does in fact speak of a conditional promise given to as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Acts 2:38-39 is not the only verse that speaks of the doctrine of baptismal regeneration.

We need to see Acts 2:36-41 in context.

Acts 2:36-41 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ--this Jesus whom you crucified." 37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, (at this point the believed) and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?" 38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 "For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself." 40 And with many other words he solemnly testified and kept on exhorting them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation!" 41 So then, those who had received his word were baptized; and that day there were added about three thousand souls.

If they were saved from their sins and received the gift of the Holy Spirit before they were baptized, why does it say in verse 40 that they needed to yet be saved? Also, we see in verse 41 that they were not added to the church until they were baptized.

So, how do you arrive at the fact that they had already been saved from their sins and had received the gift of the Holy Spirit before they were baptized?

God bless you,
Wayne

John 3:5.

I have been baptized in Jesus' Name but currently attend a Calvary Chapel and believe in the Trinity with an emphasis on the Oneness of the Lord.

Does that answer your question?

You interpret it incorrectly; because either you have not been baptized according to Acts 2:38 and want to believe that you are saved; or else you have been and want to believe that certain loved ones are saved apart from being baptized in Jesus' Name.

That is definitely a motivation for believing your false doctrine.

So you do not believe in baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Which was obvious by now.

You attend a Calvary Chapel church that teaches baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit so that is contentious for you

You say you believe in the Trinity but with a twist of Oneness

Yeah......none of that is sound doctrine. Thanks for that though

But you know what? I got agreement for my prayer that that person's word will fall to the ground. And since we are both believers, I know that I have the thing that I have asked for.

It irks you, doesn't it, that people might be saved because of this thread?

In context of Acts 2:21, Peter required that they be baptized in the name of Jesus.

culturally and historically, "calling on the name of the Lord" happens at the time of baptism.

Yes...it is talking about the spiritual heart; not the physical one.

Again, those fruits may not develop immediately as the result of being baptized.

They may suddenly appear later (as with the thief).

What I just said, is actually taught by Chuck Smith and the entire Calvary Chapel movement.