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…why Jesus Christ had to die… why there was no other way? 
God the Father controls all “time”… why not go back in time and let Adam and Eve take the test again?
Why create Satan knowing he will be evil?
Why choose Judas as a disciple knowing he is a devil and will betray you?
How many times has God had to choose to save us?
Why is God choosing to suffer so much for us?
…perhaps the “Grande Finale” of God’s Plan must be so spectacular and worth it all to Him…. I want to be there with Him to see the “Grande Finale” and hear Him say, “It is FINISHED!”
God the Father controls all “time”… why not go back in time and let Adam and Eve take the test again?
Why create Satan knowing he will be evil?
Why choose Judas as a disciple knowing he is a devil and will betray you?
How many times has God had to choose to save us?
Why is God choosing to suffer so much for us?
…perhaps the “Grande Finale” of God’s Plan must be so spectacular and worth it all to Him…. I want to be there with Him to see the “Grande Finale” and hear Him say, “It is FINISHED!”
Isa. 29:16
“Surely you have things turned around! Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay; For shall the thing made say of him who made it, " He did not make me"? Or shall the thing formed say of him who formed it, " He has no understanding"?
Rom.9:21
“Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor”?
Gen. 18: 25
“Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right”?
There is also something you may not have realised.
Genesis 2:15
The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.
It means if you don't also honour the earth it will turn against you 😊
Genesis 2:15
The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to work it and keep it.
It means if you don't also honour the earth it will turn against you 😊
Well you have a choice and have decided to continue to believe a non-biblical idea that you picked up along the way. Do you have any idea how absurd it sounds to state God created evil so we would have a choice in whether to love Him or not?
He did not create evil and there is nothing in scripture that indicates He did.
Knowledge does not make one what they have knowledge of. God, being God, had knowledge, in fact of ALL things. That does not mean He created evil. This is an erroneous teaching and should be pointed out which is why I persist in doing so even though the persistence in believing otherwise indicates a mindset not willing to see that error. Believing that God is the originator and creator of evil does not at all exemplify His perfect love, but creates all kinds of side effects that are obviously not being considered.
Here again are the verses I first posted to counter the error of believing God created evil:
God created the angel who became the devil but He did not create him as the devil.
44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. John 8:44
Those are the words of Jesus and they indicate that the devil did not 'stand fast in the truth' meaning he did not stay as he was created.
Seems we might wonder why he had the free will to do that but we cannot wonder why God created him evil because he did not create evil.
And God saw everything that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day Genesis 1:31 That, would indicate the devil was not created as the devil.
Now do you really believe God created such a creature and planted him in the garden to deceive Eve which led to Adam following suit in the sin of disobedience? If you do, then you must also acknowledge that God never gave the choice of eating the fruit to begin with because if He knows all things, then He deliberately set them up for failure.
That, is not love nor does it indicate a God who is always just and righteous. In fact, you are saying that God created all the angels good but the one who is evil and the father of all lies. That does not even make sense.
He did not create evil and there is nothing in scripture that indicates He did.
Knowledge does not make one what they have knowledge of. God, being God, had knowledge, in fact of ALL things. That does not mean He created evil. This is an erroneous teaching and should be pointed out which is why I persist in doing so even though the persistence in believing otherwise indicates a mindset not willing to see that error. Believing that God is the originator and creator of evil does not at all exemplify His perfect love, but creates all kinds of side effects that are obviously not being considered.
Here again are the verses I first posted to counter the error of believing God created evil:
God created the angel who became the devil but He did not create him as the devil.
44 You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. John 8:44
Those are the words of Jesus and they indicate that the devil did not 'stand fast in the truth' meaning he did not stay as he was created.
Seems we might wonder why he had the free will to do that but we cannot wonder why God created him evil because he did not create evil.
And God saw everything that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day Genesis 1:31 That, would indicate the devil was not created as the devil.
Now do you really believe God created such a creature and planted him in the garden to deceive Eve which led to Adam following suit in the sin of disobedience? If you do, then you must also acknowledge that God never gave the choice of eating the fruit to begin with because if He knows all things, then He deliberately set them up for failure.
That, is not love nor does it indicate a God who is always just and righteous. In fact, you are saying that God created all the angels good but the one who is evil and the father of all lies. That does not even make sense.
Who CREATED the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL?
Did that tree CHOOSE to be EVIL?
Did that tree CHOOSE to be EVIL?
Do you have a Bible that tells you the plants talked and chose whatever? smh
It appears you are now trying to say that God did not give a choice. Perhaps you don't see that in your desire to be right no matter how wrong you are. shrugs
God gave His human creation a choice. He told them they could eat from any tree in the garden but one. Now that's a choice. Was the tree evil? No. Did God create said tree evil? No.
Apparently you cannot comprehend the fact that God gave a choice right from inception. No evil was involved. It was simple obey or disobey. And He watched while they disobeyed and did not intervene.
If you cannot see this, I hope others who might be persuaded by your erroneous conclusions will see this and have an 'aha' moment.
You are correct when you state the devil and his angels will be destroyed BUT no one automatically loves God. When we are persuaded to accept Christ by the Holy Spirit, we begin our journey. NOTHING is automatic. We choose through our entire lives. How else can the differences in Christians be explained? If you study the Bible you will find that even God loved some more than others.
Sin entered this world through the disobedience of humans. The Bible plainly states that EVERYTHING God created He declared to be good. YOU are saying, therefore, that evil is good. Do you find it so?
Perhaps stop with your blanket answers and think a bit about the repercussions of stating God created evil, apart from the FACT the Bible tells us that He is not the creator of evil.
Apparently you cannot comprehend the fact that God gave a choice right from inception. No evil was involved. It was simple obey or disobey. And He watched while they disobeyed and did not intervene.
If you cannot see this, I hope others who might be persuaded by your erroneous conclusions will see this and have an 'aha' moment.
You are correct when you state the devil and his angels will be destroyed BUT no one automatically loves God. When we are persuaded to accept Christ by the Holy Spirit, we begin our journey. NOTHING is automatic. We choose through our entire lives. How else can the differences in Christians be explained? If you study the Bible you will find that even God loved some more than others.
Sin entered this world through the disobedience of humans. The Bible plainly states that EVERYTHING God created He declared to be good. YOU are saying, therefore, that evil is good. Do you find it so?
Perhaps stop with your blanket answers and think a bit about the repercussions of stating God created evil, apart from the FACT the Bible tells us that He is not the creator of evil.
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Well maybe you should think about it. One reason to think about it would be the fact that the King James has incorrectly translated the word 'ra' from the original language. Evil entered the world through sin. We are born into and live in a fallen world. There is no reason to fear God or what the Bible states if we belong to Him. We worship (fear in a different sense then being afraid) Him in awe because He is the beginning and the end 'Alpha and Omega'. We are entirely at His mercy but He is merciful and the Bible states that God is Love.
He is not murder or hate or the source of evil.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 1 John 4:18
He is not murder or hate or the source of evil.
There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 1 John 4:18
I think all of these questions point back to God's omniscience. Think about it:
Omniscience means that God knows everything. Not only what is, but what could have been or would have been.
God created the universe as we know it, but He was not constrained to that course of action. Because He is omniscient, NOTHING takes Him by surprise. Also, God's knowledge is logical. I personally believe that there is a possible (counterfactual) scenario in which Christ would not have to have died, but He (being God) chose to come to Earth and die regardless.
What I'm trying to say that prior to God creating the world(s), His knowledge meant that He could have created a different set of worlds, albeit with slight differences from what exists now.
In other words, there is NO possible or logical course of action that God is not aware of.
As the Scripture says, God's ways are past finding out. He knows all the possible choices mankind could make and all the results of them, even if they never come to pass. To use myself as an example, God already knows what I'd be doing if I wasn't typing this right now.
As an aside, this is also why I believe that God's sovereignty does not equal determinism.
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Omniscience means that God knows everything. Not only what is, but what could have been or would have been.
God created the universe as we know it, but He was not constrained to that course of action. Because He is omniscient, NOTHING takes Him by surprise. Also, God's knowledge is logical. I personally believe that there is a possible (counterfactual) scenario in which Christ would not have to have died, but He (being God) chose to come to Earth and die regardless.
What I'm trying to say that prior to God creating the world(s), His knowledge meant that He could have created a different set of worlds, albeit with slight differences from what exists now.
In other words, there is NO possible or logical course of action that God is not aware of.
As the Scripture says, God's ways are past finding out. He knows all the possible choices mankind could make and all the results of them, even if they never come to pass. To use myself as an example, God already knows what I'd be doing if I wasn't typing this right now.
As an aside, this is also why I believe that God's sovereignty does not equal determinism.
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I agree. God is not the creator of evil. Evil is not a created thing, but a lack of goodness. God does define what is good, and what is evil. Someone here once said, good and evil must co-exist, as in, there cannot be an up without a down, there cannot be good without evil type of idea. I do not see that taught anywhere in the Bible. In fact, God alone is good and pre-existed everything else, so good very much existed without evil existing. God could have drawn a line in the sand and said, do not cross this line. Adam and Eve's evil was in their act of disobedience. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was not evil any more than a line in the sand would have been evil. They already knew good through knowing God and His creation, which God had proclaimed as being good, and very good. They came to know evil because of their actions, and right away were aware of it, ashamed, sought to cover their sin and hide themselves from God.
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@Niki7 and @Magenta
God DID create evil and it was for our GOOD.
We are NEVER to fear evil... God is teaching us to be just like HIM... to choose the good and refuse the evil. To love to do good and to hate evil.
When evil comes, it is a lesson for us.... it is a test for us... but it is NEVER to harm us. God's Ways are so much higher than ours.
God Himself planted the Tree of LIFE in the garden AND that tree of the knowledge of good and evil that was the Tree of DEATH. God ALWAYS sets before us Life and Death and wants us to CHOOSE one. If we choose Life, we love God. If we choose Death, we hate God.
Understand how powerful our choices are. Even when evil comes against us we must still CHOOSE to react/respond with good, not evil. We must choose Good. We must return evil with GOOD.
We are God's children and He is teaching us His Ways. Be teachable.
God DID create evil and it was for our GOOD.
We are NEVER to fear evil... God is teaching us to be just like HIM... to choose the good and refuse the evil. To love to do good and to hate evil.
When evil comes, it is a lesson for us.... it is a test for us... but it is NEVER to harm us. God's Ways are so much higher than ours.
God Himself planted the Tree of LIFE in the garden AND that tree of the knowledge of good and evil that was the Tree of DEATH. God ALWAYS sets before us Life and Death and wants us to CHOOSE one. If we choose Life, we love God. If we choose Death, we hate God.
Understand how powerful our choices are. Even when evil comes against us we must still CHOOSE to react/respond with good, not evil. We must choose Good. We must return evil with GOOD.
We are God's children and He is teaching us His Ways. Be teachable.
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Evil came as a result of sin. It is not a created thing. God defines sin, but that does not make Him
the author of sin. The origin of evil lies not with God but with rebellious angels, and humanity.
Isaiah 45:7 says, I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do
all these things. But the KJV translates the word ra wrongly; it is not what the original Hebrew says.
Making God the author of evil is just simply wrong. “The LORD is just! He is my rock! There is no evil in him!”
the author of sin. The origin of evil lies not with God but with rebellious angels, and humanity.
Isaiah 45:7 says, I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do
all these things. But the KJV translates the word ra wrongly; it is not what the original Hebrew says.
Making God the author of evil is just simply wrong. “The LORD is just! He is my rock! There is no evil in him!”
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WHO CREATED the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL?
tree was evil? The evil they came to know was their own disobedience. They already knew good.
God knew they were going to be disobedient. That does not mean He created evil. He defines it.
Adam is held responsible for sin. Sin is evil. Sin entered the world through one man (Adam).
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WHO CREATED the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and EVIL?
Knowledge is not evil. Who created the devil? God did not create the devil. CHOICE by Lucifer turned him from perfect in all his ways to the leader of the rebellion in heaven which saw him and a third of the angels booted out of heaven.
It was GOOD that God created evil because it gave us a CHOICE. God had to give us a CHOICE. God did create evil, God did create Death when He created the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil... God created a CHOICE for us.... LIFE or DEATH.
God HAD to do it. However, God hates evil and will completely destroy it when He accomplishes and finishes what He started...
ALL THAT GOD DOES IS FOR OUR GOOD.... even creating a CHOICE for us. Love MUST have a choice.
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Adam and Eve made choices before they chose to sin. Saying they did not have a choice before sinning
is simply wrong. If they did not have a choice, you are basically saying God forced them to be disobedient.
He knew they were going to be disobedient and already had a plan in place to deal with that/us.
is simply wrong. If they did not have a choice, you are basically saying God forced them to be disobedient.
He knew they were going to be disobedient and already had a plan in place to deal with that/us.
You are adding to scripture. Just something else to help us understand you are not respecting the actual scriptures.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. YOU decided you have a better name for it. Once again, the origin of sin is
I don't think your error(s) are salvic, but if you are teaching this nonsense, then you will be responsible for those you lead astray.
Your premise is as wrong now as it was the first time you offered it to us. The original choice was to obey God or disobey God. You are at odds with scripture.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. YOU decided you have a better name for it. Once again, the origin of sin is
I don't think your error(s) are salvic, but if you are teaching this nonsense, then you will be responsible for those you lead astray.
Your premise is as wrong now as it was the first time you offered it to us. The original choice was to obey God or disobey God. You are at odds with scripture.
I have likened life to a chess board, with our self will juxtaposed against God's omniscience, for there are
only so many possible moves at the beginning of any game, and each move in turn eliminates a number of
choices. At any given moment, God is aware of the moves that are open to us, and as we make another choice,
again, He is aware of the moves that remain available to us. He sees every possible end to the game at every
single move, from the beginning to the end. That He sees the end does not mean He is dictating our moves
only so many possible moves at the beginning of any game, and each move in turn eliminates a number of
choices. At any given moment, God is aware of the moves that are open to us, and as we make another choice,
again, He is aware of the moves that remain available to us. He sees every possible end to the game at every
single move, from the beginning to the end. That He sees the end does not mean He is dictating our moves
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