Does the Bible support the idea of a spinning ball earth flying through space, or is that a Satanic, Masonic lie?

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Moses_Young

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I do not agree with your understanding of Scripture on this topic. I kinda see the Genesis account as a outline sorta.. Not total detail of the creation.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
EX: verse 21 says we have whales it does not say octopus or shark. It says every winged fowl it does not list them all. I dont expect details in Genesis .
For the record i believe in the 6 day creation.
Scripture does provide an outline, but also provides the main detail. For example, the creation of the Heavens and Earth is presented. But if the centrepiece was the sun (as Heliocentricity claims, being so much larger and with everything orbiting it, rather than the Earth), I would expect this would get more of a mention than just being one of "two greater lights" for the Earth. Note the sun gets comparable treatment to the moon, rather than being treated as something much greater (as required by Heliocentricity). But I accept this could be opinion rather than truth (i.e. arguing from silence of scripture).

However, as noted, there are places that scripture is not silent. One from the same passage in Genesis is below:

Genesi 1:6-8 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

This doesn't make sense in Heliocentricity (unless you believe space is really water). However, it's compatible with believing in a flat Earth, and also the world-wide flood later in Genesis, where the "floodgates of the Heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11).
 

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Scripture does provide an outline, but also provides the main detail. For example, the creation of the Heavens and Earth is presented. But if the centrepiece was the sun (as Heliocentricity claims, being so much larger and with everything orbiting it, rather than the Earth), I would expect this would get more of a mention than just being one of "two greater lights" for the Earth. Note the sun gets comparable treatment to the moon, rather than being treated as something much greater (as required by Heliocentricity). But I accept this could be opinion rather than truth (i.e. arguing from silence of scripture).
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Sometimes in Scripture the sun is used as an example of greater presence then the moon... ie: Joesph dream

Some read the words rising and setting of the sun as figures of speech.
 

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Scripture does provide an outline, but also provides the main detail. For example, the creation of the Heavens and Earth is presented. But if the centrepiece was the sun (as Heliocentricity claims, being so much larger and with everything orbiting it, rather than the Earth), I would expect this would get more of a mention than just being one of "two greater lights" for the Earth. Note the sun gets comparable treatment to the moon, rather than being treated as something much greater (as required by Heliocentricity). But I accept this could be opinion rather than truth (i.e. arguing from silence of scripture).

However, as noted, there are places that scripture is not silent. One from the same passage in Genesis is below:

Genesi 1:6-8 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

This doesn't make sense in Heliocentricity (unless you believe space is really water). However, it's compatible with believing in a flat Earth, and also the world-wide flood later in Genesis, where the "floodgates of the Heavens were opened" (Genesis 7:11).
Also:

Genesis 1:

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

The sun, moon, and stars are in that same 'firmament' where the birds fly.
 

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Also:
Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

The sun, moon, and stars are in that same 'firmament' where the birds fly.
That should be enough to abolish the idea that the ‘firmament’ is ‘firm’. The dome just doesn’t ‘hold water’. ;)
 

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The sun, moon, and stars are in that same 'firmament' where the birds fly.
That should be enough to abolish the idea that the ‘firmament’ is ‘firm’. The dome just doesn’t ‘hold water’. ;)
I know some folks believe that the 'firmament' is the dome itself; however, I disagree with that assessment. I believe that the 'firmament' is the "air space" that is above the earth and under the dome - it best fits all of the relevant details we are given in the Bible.
 

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I know some folks believe that the 'firmament' is the dome itself; however, I disagree with that assessment.
Okay, I accept your distinction.

I believe that the 'firmament' is the "air space" that is above the earth and under the dome - it best fits all of the relevant details we are given in the Bible.
From where do you get the idea of a "dome" if not from "firmament"?
 

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Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Sometimes in Scripture the sun is used as an example of greater presence then the moon... ie: Joesph dream

Some read the words rising and setting of the sun as figures of speech.
Okay. Great lights - not greater lights. I was talking more in reference to the stars, which in Heliocentricity, are really distant suns.
 

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From where do you get the idea of a "dome" if not from "firmament"?
Genesis 1.

The firmament separates the waters above the firmament from the waters below the firmament. (verse 7)

God called the firmament Heaven. (verse 8)

The waters below the firmament are the seas. (verses 9-10)

God set the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament. (verses 16-17)

The birds fly in the 'open firmament of heaven'. (verse 20)

The dome is the waters above the firmament.
 

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Genesis 1.

The firmament separates the waters above the firmament from the waters below the firmament. (verse 7)

God called the firmament Heaven. (verse 8)

The waters below the firmament are the seas. (verses 9-10)

God set the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament. (verses 16-17)

The birds fly in the 'open firmament of heaven'. (verse 20)

The dome is the waters above the firmament.
Thanks for explaining. I believe your position on this is uncommon among flat-earth believers.
 
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All flat earth arguments are based on negative evidence not positive evidence. They go something like this.

I don’t understand how water can stick to bottom of a ball, therefore gravity is a myth and the earth must be flat.

I don’t understand how we can be spinning over 1,000 mph at the equator without everyone flying off, therefore we must be flat and motionless.

I don’t understand how we can be hurling through space at thousands of mph and the air doesn’t fly off, therefore we must be flat and motionless.

It’s never positive evidence that someone personally sailed around Antarctica and it was actually an 80,000 mile ice wall. It’s never someone flying up and touching the dome or photographing a small, local sun.

All flat earth arguments are based on negative evidence, lack of understanding/knowledge, therefore all flat earth arguments are based on ignorance.

Therefore flat earth is ignorant.
 

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All flat earth arguments are based on negative evidence not positive evidence.
Wrong. Guess again.

I don’t understand how we can be spinning over 1,000 mph at the equator without everyone flying off, therefore we must be flat and motionless.
The Bible tells us that it is motionless and implies that it is flat. Do the research.

I don’t understand how we can be hurling through space at thousands of mph and the air doesn’t fly off, therefore we must be flat and motionless.
The Bible tells us that it is motionless and implies that it is flat. Do the research.

It’s never positive evidence that someone personally sailed around Antarctica and it was actually an 80,000 mile ice wall.
Someone did. Do the research.

It’s never someone ... photographing a small, local sun.
Someone did. Do the research.

All flat earth arguments are based on negative evidence, lack of understanding/knowledge, therefore all flat earth arguments are based on ignorance.
Wrong. Guess again.

Therefore flat earth is ignorant.
"We shall see..."
 

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The dome is the waters above the firmament.
I am thinking that:

~ The dome itself is water/ice.

OR

~ The dome is some clear firm substance with water above it.

Thanks for explaining. I believe your position on this is uncommon among flat-earth believers.
Well - perhaps they should pay more attention to what the Bible is really actually telling them... ;) :whistle:
 

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Two simple explanation would be.

If the sun was moving around the earth.

That would mean the earths magnetic power was controling the sun

What you would be also left with is seeing Venus and Mars orbiting earth every 24 hours.

Funny thing is on high powered telescopes you never see that.

Your looky to see mars and Venus every so often.

Which by the way are a lot closer than sun

They would also be motionless since there plannets too.

You never see them in the same spot. 😉🙂
 

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This is an image that I shot just 3 days ago. Summer solace known as the longest day of the year, in this image you will see plannet Venus in a position you would never normally see it

I can't upload a bigger file at the moment, but working on it
File to large but you'll see the moon and plannet Venus as a small dot
Click on the blue link to open it up.
 

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Haven't read all the comments ----but really does it matter if the Scripture actually says that the earth is round ---spinning or flat or rectangular or whatever -----What matters is that God Created this earth and all in it and gave us His Word to understand Him and to follow and practice in our Lives -----People have become obsessed with trying to read things into the scripture on there own power and it leads only to confusion ---division and discontentment ------Satan Loves this type of interaction ---it takes the focus off of God and His Word -----who is Jesus ------


Here is an interesting read on this ----for anyone interested in finding just maybe some truth on this subject -----

https://www.gotquestions.org/circle-of-the-earth.html

What is the circle of the earth (Isaiah 40:22)?

The reference to the “circle of the earth” in Isaiah 40:22 is the source of much speculation. Some see this phrase as evidence that God revealed to ancient Israel something of the physical layout of the universe long before anyone had discovered that the earth was round. Later, as scientific discoveries were made, the Bible was shown to be incredibly correct, recording truth that only God could have known. According to this view, the Scripture is demonstrated to have a divine origin by revealing “scientific secrets” before they were commonly known.

The Bible speaks of the rising and setting of the sun (as do we), but it is simply the language of appearance and not intended to communicate scientific accuracy (see Psalm 113:3.) The Bible also speaks of the “four corners of the earth,” yet no one thinks that the Bible is teaching that the earth is square (see Isaiah 11:12). Proverbs 30:4 speaks of the “ends of the earth,” an expression we still use today to refer to the remotest extremes. The problem with the “scientific secrets” approach is that it reads scientific precision into certain passages that seem to fit our modern scientific concepts while ascribing phenomenological language (language of appearance) or metaphor to those passages that do not. To be consistent, it would seem that all such passages should either be interpreted literally or metaphorically. If they are all interpreted literally, then there would be far more scientific inaccuracies than accuracies or “scientific secrets.” If they are all interpreted metaphorically or phenomenologically, then each of the passages would still make sense in its original context. Isaiah 40:22, with its reference to the “circle of the earth,” is just one example.

The first point to understand regarding the “circle” is that the word (Hebrew root chug) does not mean “sphere” but rather refers to a circle or sometimes a dome. A circle is flat like a disc or a dinner plate. Those who hold to the “scientific secrets” approach often think “sphere” when they hear “circle.” In the Old Testament, the word is used once as a verb in Job 26:10: “He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness” (ESV). If one looks at the earth from space, there is indeed a circular boundary between light and darkness. However, the NIV captures more of the original intent and avoids the use of the word circle altogether: “He marks out the horizon on the face of the waters for a boundary between light and darkness.” If one is looking out at the sea, the horizon does appear to be circular.

The same Hebrew word is used three times in the Bible as a noun. In Job 22:14, God is described as walking in the “circuit of heaven” (KJV). Most modern translations translate it as “the vault of heaven.” If taken literally, this verse would be scientifically inaccurate because there is no vault over the earth. The universe goes out billions of miles in all directions, but, in staring up at the sky on a starry night, we do see the sky as a circular dome overhead with definite boundaries. In Proverbs 8:27, “Wisdom” says, “When he established the heavens, I was there; when he drew a circle on the face of the deep” (ESV). The NIV translation communicates the meaning of “drawing a circle on the face of the deep”: “I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep.” There is no “circle” drawn on the sea, but there is a horizon that has a circular appearance as one looks out on the sea.

Isaiah 40:22 says, “He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” Even if “circle of the earth” is taken literally in this verse, it does not say that the earth is a sphere. Actually, it does not even say that the earth is a circle. The “circle of the earth” seems to refer to the heavens that appear to be a circular dome overhead. The parallelism of Hebrew poetry would indicate that the “circle of the earth” is the same as the “canopy” being stretched out. The heavens are pictured as a tent for the multitudes of earth to live in.

In Isaiah 44:13 a variant of the word is translated in the ESV as “compass”: “The [human] carpenter stretches a line; he marks it out with a pencil. He shapes it with planes and marks it with a compass. He shapes it into the figure of a man, with the beauty of a man, to dwell in a house.” Here, the compass is an instrument used for drawing a circle, and such instruments are still in use today.

The word circle was an apt way to describe the horizon and the heavens overhead. The horizon goes out in all directions, and the sky overhead seems to meet it, forming a circular dome. This is purely the language of appearance. The Bible is not leaving scientific clues to its divine origin.

Isaiah 40:22 is part of a passage that is communicating a truth far more important:

“Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
Has it not been told you from the beginning?
Have you not understood since the earth was founded?
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
He brings princes to naught
and reduces the rulers of this world to nothing.
No sooner are they planted,
no sooner are they sown,
no sooner do they take root in the ground,
than he blows on them and they wither,
and a whirlwind sweeps them away like chaff” (Isaiah 40:21–24).

The point of the “circle of the earth” passage is that God is far above all the petty affairs of petty people. He is not troubled by them, and He can bring them to an end at any time. He can also protect and strengthen His people:

“Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.
He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.
Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;
but those who hope in the LORD
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint” (Isaiah 40:28–31).

The Lord sits above the circle of the earth!

Rather than being a source of secret scientific knowledge or a point of contention between young earth and old earth creationists, the verse is supposed to be a comfort to God’s people as they contemplate the greatness and the creative power of God, as Isaiah 40:1 says, “Comfort, comfort my people, says your God.” The comfort is found in the content of Isaiah 40 and the subsequent chapters.

I say ----So it is saying ----here we are to focus on the greatness and creative power of God more that contemplating what we cannot figure out on our own power ----I say --------then you have defeated Satan's attack of keeping people focused away from God and the truth of His word ----which is his job -----
 

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Haven't read all the comments ----but really does it matter if the Scripture actually says that the earth is round ---spinning or flat or rectangular or whatever -----What matters is that God Created this earth and all in it and gave us His Word to understand Him and to follow and practice in our Lives -----People have become obsessed with trying to read things into the scripture on there own power and it leads only to confusion ---division and discontentment ------Satan Loves this type of interaction ---it takes the focus off of God and His Word -----who is Jesus ------
With respect, this matters because it's about how trustworthy the bible is. Not for believers, but for unbelievers. There are a lot of unbelievers who come to believe in Christ when they realise the Earth is flat. Flat Earth (as described by scripture) destroys all the devil's deceit about reality. When people realise the Earth is flat, they start to understand that the bible is not just another myth (i.e. as the devil's lies of Big Bangism, Heliocentrism and Evolutionism would have us believe).

In short, whether Earth is flat or not is to a degree an answer to the question of whether God knew what He created or not. Not for the benefit of believers, but for unbelievers.
 

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With respect, this matters because it's about how trustworthy the bible is. Not for believers, but for unbelievers
No that is not so ---unbeliever cannot spiritually understand any scripture ------the Bible is for believers -Get this ------the Bible is a Spiritual book for Spiritual believers ------who rely on the Holy spirit to direct them and give them discernment into the truth of the Scriptures and the truth of the Scriptures will never point to confusion -----Confusion comes from Satan not God -

You ignorance is showing in knowing who the Bible is for --------

Unbelievers are classed as the Natural man and to the Natural Man God says this


 

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No that is not so ---unbeliever cannot spiritually understand any scripture ------the Bible is for believers -Get this ------the Bible is a Spiritual book for Spiritual believers ------who rely on the Holy spirit to direct them and give them discernment into the truth of the Scriptures and the truth of the Scriptures will never point to confusion -----Confusion comes from Satan not God -

You ignorance is showing in knowing who the Bible is for --------

Unbelievers are classed as the Natural man and to the Natural Man God says this


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