What is faith? Why criticise God?

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MaryM

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So, a question for those who are vocal in their criticism of God, saying bitterly that a good loving God wouldn't allow evil and bad things to happen.

Do these same people ever pray sincere humble thanks and praise for all the good wonderful gifts they do enjoy in life? Food, shelter, etc. How many regularly say grace before meals or thank God for healing their illness?

I'm particularly curious about folks who criticise a God they do not believe even exists. Then there are those who lose their faith when adversity hits. They arouse my interest even more, because I assume they think life ought only to consist of pleasant convenient things. That disease, accidents and such ought not to affect them or their children because they believe in God. Are such folks on their knees thanking God when life is going really well?
I actually know of people who stopped attending church because a family member died of a terrible cancer and they felt their pleading prayers went unheard. Does that mean if demands are not granted, God can be disregarded?

It's about faith and being willing to let God be in charge, whatever happens. Otherwise it's not faith at all. God's healing may not be our idea of healing. Our part is to trust and accept.
 

Magenta

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a family member died of a terrible cancer
Over a period of a few days late last month, one of my sisters noticed her husband becoming increasingly confused, so took him to the hospital. An MRI revealed he had a very aggressive brain tumour, two actually, and four days later there was a third one. Treatment was not recommended, and surgery ruled out. Less than three weeks later he passed away. It has been a nightmare for my sister. Please pray for her. Thank you!
 

MaryM

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Over a period of a few days late last month, one of my sisters noticed her husband becoming increasingly confused, so took him to the hospital. An MRI revealed he had a very aggressive brain tumour, two actually, and four days later there was a third one. Treatment was not recommended, and surgery ruled out. Less than three weeks later he passed away. It has been a nightmare for my sister. Please pray for her. Thank you!
That is extremely hard, I am so sorry and shall pray for her. She must be utterly numb. At this time prayer is for comfort and strength to cope with this tragic situation.
 

Lynx

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So, a question for those who are vocal in their criticism of God, saying bitterly that a good loving God wouldn't allow evil and bad things to happen.

Do these same people ever pray sincere humble thanks and praise for all the good wonderful gifts they do enjoy in life? Food, shelter, etc. How many regularly say grace before meals or thank God for healing their illness?

I'm particularly curious about folks who criticise a God they do not believe even exists. Then there are those who lose their faith when adversity hits. They arouse my interest even more, because I assume they think life ought only to consist of pleasant convenient things. That disease, accidents and such ought not to affect them or their children because they believe in God. Are such folks on their knees thanking God when life is going really well?
I actually know of people who stopped attending church because a family member died of a terrible cancer and they felt their pleading prayers went unheard. Does that mean if demands are not granted, God can be disregarded?

It's about faith and being willing to let God be in charge, whatever happens. Otherwise it's not faith at all. God's healing may not be our idea of healing. Our part is to trust and accept.
Even David had a few complaints during the hard times. Some of those psalms aren't so bright and chipper. And that was coming from the man after God's own heart.

Getting upset isn't a sin.
 

MaryM

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Even David had a few complaints during the hard times. Some of those psalms aren't so bright and chipper. And that was coming from the man after God's own heart.

Getting upset isn't a sin.
True.
David was a massive appalling sinner but then he fully repented and became humble. He realised help and comfort comes from God. That we can pray and have real hope in even the darkest of times.
 

Magenta

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That is extremely hard, I am so sorry and shall pray for her. She must be utterly numb. At this time prayer is for comfort and strength to cope with this tragic situation.
Thank you...
 

Eli1

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The question of suffering is THE most difficult one and it's something for which i don't know what to say most of the time except to mention Jesus came here to suffer for us and other cases such as Paul asking for relief for his thorn on his foot which God never took away even after Jesus showed himself to Paul.
I try to tell people who suffer that there is Hope with God and sometimes we get a Miracle and sometimes we don't. We don't know how that works but Jesus promised us that HE will return and we will be in HIS presence again.
 

Lynx

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The question of suffering is THE most difficult one and it's something for which i don't know what to say most of the time except to mention Jesus came here to suffer for us and other cases such as Paul asking for relief for his thorn on his foot which God never took away even after Jesus showed himself to Paul.
I try to tell people who suffer that there is Hope with God and sometimes we get a Miracle and sometimes we don't. We don't know how that works but Jesus promised us that HE will return and we will be in HIS presence again.
So I cry for Your help
While the world looks on
And they laugh at my hope
When all hope is gone
But I'll just keep prayin'
When answers won't come
Am I a fool?
Am I just a fool

For standing alone
While they mock Your name
"Well, if your God is so good
Tell us why all the pain?"
I'm not sure, not so sure
That God is to blame
So don't be a fool
Please, don't be a fool

- Chris Rice


This world ain't what God designed. It used to be, but our ancestors broke it with sin. Now it doesn't work as well as it used to.

But like a bike with two flat tires, I'm still amazed this world works at all. Some things go wrong, sometimes we get hurt by the broken parts, and it sure takes a LOT more effort to survive than it did in the beginning, but the planet still keeps chugging along.

When lightning strikes a power substation and we have no electricity for a few hours...
When someone I know dies of cancer...
When I have to clear my throat and cough because of post-nasal drip...
Every day that I have to get up and go to w*rk...
I am reminded that we don't live in a perfect world any more.

I sure am looking forward to the next one. No WAY I'm messing that one up by bringing in sin.
 

Gojira

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The question of suffering is THE most difficult one and it's something for which i don't know what to say most of the time except to mention Jesus came here to suffer for us and other cases such as Paul asking for relief for his thorn on his foot which God never took away even after Jesus showed himself to Paul.
I try to tell people who suffer that there is Hope with God and sometimes we get a Miracle and sometimes we don't. We don't know how that works but Jesus promised us that HE will return and we will be in HIS presence again.
I like what Dennis Prager (a Jew, not a Christian), said about this: The believer has to explain the existence of pain; the atheist has to explain everything else.

I will also say that, at this point in my life, from what I believe God has been showing me, faith comes through humility. God opposes our base, sinfully proud nature, so in our natural sinful state, we choose to not believe in Him. (Hence, the foolishness of the atheist's statements.) Because God doesn't please us, we decide to disbelieve. It is not obvious to the unbeliever that this is what they're doing, and it took a lot of years for me to realize this.