Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

I haven't missed your point at all, but you don't even understand what you're talking about... you're talking about manipulating translation of the text to change number of words... you really don't get to do that unless you are writing an original text. If you try to do that then your translation will obviously look fake and manipulated.

What difference do other languages make and why would it carry over to other languages anyway, that would defeat the whole purpose of God marking the most widespread Bible version as the most accurate. It is you who is missing the point here.

Before landing here I spent a good deal of time speaking with atheists and other non-believers.
I cannot say they were logical. They thought they were, certainly thought they were more logical
and rational than Christians, but I did not find that to be the case at all. E.g., they would say we were
brainwashed and only believed because we were told to, but then wanted to tell us what to believe instead.

the Geneva Bible was more widespread for quite a while.. and a Spanish or possibly Chinese version is arguably more prevalent worldwide now. we English-speaking people, particularly Americans, are culturally vain, forgetting that we are a pagan people.

but every translation is a translation and that process of translation necessarily loses information - it doesn't add information. so in principle i agree with those saying that any truly God breathed numerological pattern in scripture is in the original language, not in translation. best we could see in any translation is an echo

When original languages have it it's not very significant because it could be man-made. Only when a translation shows up in the future through a language not existing at the time does this become proof of divine intervention.

Keep in mind there is a difference between atheist and agnostic. Atheist is someone who has FAITH that there is no God, and they need that faith because they can't prove that there is no God. Agnostic is someone who actually uses logic to say - there is no way of knowing whether there is a God or not and if there is a God, he'll save me, if not, what's the point? Their logic is incomplete and you need to tell them that this temporary life is not worth the risk of spending eternity in hell. An atheist is usually someone who just secretly hates God or the message of the Bible for whatever reason (violence, God sending people to eternal punishment for temporary sins, etc), to them you need to explain that God doesn't just send people to hell for not believing - it's a correlation of being a non believer and a child of Satan. And you could also add the fact that theistic Satanists are believers in God and they are still going to hell.

You have that exactly backwards.
The older the "original" manuscripts are, the LESS likely they are to have been tampered with....
Translating the original words into another language is where there can be mistakes made... fortunately, MOST recent translations have been guided by the Holy Spirit.... it's very easy to spot the ones that were made to fit an agenda.... most true scholars of the Bible agree as to which are "good" translations, and which are cult-driven.

Oh well you must have been talking to people in person.

Would it be fair to say that the ease of reading is the Trojan Horse that has brought some distorted and diluted text variants into many modern translations?

Are you suggesting that we only try to evangelize online? Talking to people is risky?


Absolutely not.
There are more modern translations that are actually more accurate than the KJV. It is a good, accurate translation, but a lot of what it says is lost in the archaic words it uses.

Are you suggesting that we only try to evangelize online? Talking to people is risky?


Absolutely not.
There are more modern translations that are actually more accurate than the KJV. It is a good, accurate translation, but a lot of what it says is lost in the archaic words it uses.

I haven't missed your point at all, but you don't even understand what you're talking about./QUOTE]
And right there, I stopped reading. I'm so tired of arrogant jackdonkeys on this site....

You're assuming that God would only choose original to breathe in patterns. What's the reason for that assumption? As far as I'm aware King James Bible is still the most sold book of all time.

.. encoding messages into the Kings James Bible to verify it as the most accurate translation.

but every translation is a translation and that process of translation necessarily loses information - it doesn't add information.

my reason is that He chose the languages He chose to give scripture for perfect reasons, because He is perfect - and He preserved those languages for the same reasons, else we would have no such things as translations at all.

ah.

But is the point of the Bible to glorify a translation or is it to testify of Christ?

Here is perhaps the crux of the thread

Gen_19:7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Deu_21:7 And they shall answer and say, Our hands have not shed this blood, neither have our eyes seen it.

Jos_1:7 Only be thou strong and very courageous, that thou mayest observe to do according to all the law, which Moses my servant commanded thee: turn not from it to the right hand or to the left, that thou mayest prosper whithersoever thou goest.

Mat_22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and thou tellest me not to answer that question. Selah.