Predestination is misunderstood...

Yes. No matter how far down you dig it’s ALWAYS God’s Work, done through the faith He gifted us.

What does God do to get us able to believe?

I do not think grace is what changes you. I believe that it is the death and resurrection of Christ along with the indwelling of the Spirit which works a miracle, causing you to believe. However, this is given to God's elect by grace “it is undeserved”.

Then why speak in such a condescendingly manner to a fellow brother in Christ?
That's why we all need a thorn to buffet us-keeping us humble since pride comes in many forms and manifestations-and by the way-there is no such thing as a foolish question.
J.

If you pick 1, you need to explain why you are smarter to have understood the Gospel, or how you are morally superior BEFORE conversion than those that reject Him.

How is our belief "caused?"

I do believe something was caused by God to enable our soul to believe.

I do believe something was caused by God to enable our soul to believe.

That's because you have failed to understand that saved, according to Strong's concordance, means delivered.

There is a one time eternal deliverance=salvation that took place on the cross, but there are many deliverance's that the born again people receive as they sojourn here in this world. Example: When a born again child of God repents of a sin they have committed they are saved (delivered) from the results of that sin, and are back in fellowship with God.

Eternal salvation (deliverance) took place on the cross, for all of those that God gave to his Son ( John 6:37-40). There will be no more sacrifices for sins. Those that Christ died for will, at sometime in their life, be born again. Being born again is the result of having already been given the promise of an eternal inheritance on the cross.

After Christ died for those that his Father gave him, God looks upon them as holy and without blame and their sins are as far away from from God as the east is from the west (Psalms 103:12), however, when they are born, by natural birth, into this world they have inherited the sin of Adam, which makes it necessary for God, by his grace, to quicken them to a new spiritual life, in order to have a people that will honor and praise him. (Luke 19:37-38).

If you apply all of the salvation scriptures to eternal salvation, they will tend to make you believe that eternal deliverance is accomplished by our good works.

I am sure that you have a lot more questions. Let's hear them.

That's because you have failed to understand that saved, according to Strong's concordance, means delivered.

I don't get the point you're trying to make. The text does say "He chose US in Him..." The real question is how did God chose "us" before any of us ever existed? My answer to this question would be that our names were in the "Book of Life" for all eternity; therefore, our existence was guaranteed by God's mere decree.

There is no such thing as a foolish coherent question.
Is the orange louder than the speed of light? would be a foolish question. It confuses categories. Who created the uncaused Cause? would be another.
I critiqued your post, not you. I think you may be projecting.

God gave us, as made in His image, faculties of hearing, intellect, conscience, discrimination, faith. he does not need to add a new faculty to us for us to believe the gospel. He gave everything we need in nascent form while forming us in the womb.

I believe @John146 is correct-

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

1Co 2:14 Ψυχικὸς Psychikos|G5591|Adj-NMS|[The] natural δὲ de|G1161|Conj|however ἄνθρωπος anthrōpos|G444|N-NMS|man οὐ ou|G3756|Adv|not δέχεται dechetai|G1209|V-PIM/P-3S|accepts τὰ ta|G3588|Art-ANP|the things τοῦ tou|G3588|Art-GNS|of the Πνεύματος Pneumatos|G4151|N-GNS|Spirit τοῦ tou|G3588|Art-GMS|- Θεοῦ· Theou|G2316|N-GMS|of God; μωρία mōria|G3472|N-NFS|foolishness γὰρ gar|G1063|Conj|for αὐτῷ autō|G846|PPro-DM3S|to him ἐστίν, estin|G1510|V-PIA-3S|they are, καὶ kai|G2532|Conj|and οὐ ou|G3756|Adv|not δύναται dynatai|G1410|V-PIM/P-3S|he is able γνῶναι, gnōnai|G1097|V-ANA|to understand [them], ὅτι hoti|G3754|Conj|because πνευματικῶς pneumatikōs|G4153|Adv|spiritually ἀνακρίνεται. anakrinetai|G350|V-PIM/P-3S|they are discerned.

Just in case you are interested-^^^^^^

the natural man. Note: psukikos, the animal man, one who lives in a natural state, and under the influence of his animal passions; for psukē means the inferior and sensual part of man, in opposition to nous, the understanding, or pneuma, the spirit. While the preceding explanation of the words involved has validity, it is not strictly correct for this context. Would "natural man" be in contrast with "intellectual man" or "rational man"?

Rather, "natural man" refers to unrenewed or unregenerate man, without the Holy Spirit; Hodge states "spiritual, when used in the New Testament of persons, never means intellectual. It always means one under the influence of the Holy Spirit. It therefore must have that meaning here" (p. 43).

Which ties in with this-

natural man -- The verse itself identifies him. A reference to a man who does not discern spiritual things.
NLTSB says "people who aren't spiritual", Unbelievers, whose minds are blinded, function in the natural world and see life only through physical eyes (see 2Co_4:4). They cannot appreciate the significance of the Good News, for it is essentially a spiritual message.

But the natural man -- The NIV inserts "the man without the Spirit" for the Greek "the natural man" or "physical man". In 1Co_2:12-13 the word "know" becomes "understand", and erroneously teaching that we cannot understand the Scripture without the direct operation of the Spirit.

the natural man -- Literally, “a natural man,” that is, a man who is not spiritual minded; one un-converted to Christ, one whose interests are confined to the things of this life.

Such a man depends on human wisdom for the solution of all his problems. He lives to please himself and to gratify the desires of the unconverted heart, hence is incapable of understanding and appreciating the things of God.
To him the plan of salvation, the wonderful revelation of God’s love, is folly. He cannot distinguish between worldly philosophy and spiritual truth.

%1Co_3:1; 1Co_15:44; 1Co_15:46, Psa_92:6, Pro_28:5, +*Jer_13:23, +Jas_3:15 g (sensual). Jud_1:19 g (sensual).
receiveth not. FS175B, +Gen_21:16, 1Ki_22:13, 2Ch_18:12, Amo_7:12, Mat_6:23; Mat_13:11, etc. Mat_16:23, *Joh_3:3-6; Joh_8:37; Joh_8:43; Joh_10:6; Joh_10:26-27; Joh_12:37-38; *Joh_14:17, *Rom_8:5-8, *2Co_4:3; *2Co_4:4, 1Jn_4:5.
the things. 1Co_2:12-13, 1Co_3:1, *Joh_14:26; Joh_15:26; Joh_16:8-15.
they. 1Co_1:18; 1Co_1:23, Joh_3:4; Joh_8:51-52; Joh_10:20, Act_17:18; Act_17:20; Act_17:32; Act_18:15; Act_25:19; Act_26:24-25.
foolishness unto. +1Co_1:18; 1Co_4:10, Gen_6:5; Gen_8:21; Gen_31:28, 2Sa_6:16, 2Ki_5:11, 1Ch_15:29, Pro_24:7, Ecc_9:3, +*Jer_17:9, *Mar_7:21-23, *Joh_3:19; Joh_4:11; Joh_4:15; Joh_6:52; Joh_7:36, *Act_17:18, *Rom_8:7; *Rom_8:8, Eph_4:17-19; Eph_5:8, Tit_1:15.
neither can. *Pro_14:6, *Jer_6:10, Joh_1:5; *Joh_3:3; Joh_5:44; +*Joh_6:44; +*Joh_6:45; *Joh_8:43; *Joh_8:47; *Joh_14:17, Act_16:14, *Rom_8:7, **2Co_4:4-6, Col_3:3, *1Jn_2:20; *1Jn_2:27; 1Jn_5:20, Jud_1:19, Rev_2:17; Rev_14:3.
are spiritually. T598, *Pro_25:14, *Pro_1:7; Pro_16:23; *Pro_28:5, *Ecc_8:5, Isa_8:16, *Dan_12:10, +*Joh_7:17, *2Co_4:6, Eph_5:8, Col_1:12-13, 1Th_5:4-5, 1Pe_2:9, +2Pe_3:5 (T707). *1Jn_2:8-11; *1Jn_2:20; *1Jn_2:21, Rev_11:8 g.
discerned. 1Co_4:3-4; 1Co_9:3; 1Co_10:25; 1Co_10:27; 1Co_14:24, 2Sa_14:17, 1Ki_3:9, Psa_25:14, +*Pro_8:9, Mat_11:6, Luk_7:23; Luk_7:35; Luk_23:14, Act_4:9; Act_12:19; +*Act_17:11; Act_24:8; Act_25:26; Act_28:18 g.

Go through some of the references and see if we can understand the doctrine of Christ Jesus and cease from telling others of misrepresenting the Hagios D'varim of YHVH.


Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches and the chochmah (wisdom) and da'as (knowledge) of Hashem. How unfathomable are His mishpatim and unsearchable His ways.
Rom 11:34 For who has known the Ruach of Hashem? Or who has been ISH ATZATO ("His Counselor") [Isa 40:13]?
Rom 11:35 Or who has given in advance to Him so that His presents come only as a (choiv) debt repaid? [IYOV 41:3 (11); Ro 4:4]
Rom 11:36 Because from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. Lo HaKavod l'Olamim. Omein. ("To Him be glory forever. Amen.")

Shalom
J.

You do know that all scripture does not have the same audience. Also, there are portions of scripture that have doctrine for the Jews that does not "harmonize" with the doctrine set forth for the church. The Jews are God's elect people, yet they are enemies of the gospel.

Sorry, but I only answer to biblical scriptures from the KJV version of the bible. In my studies I believe the scriptures prove scriptures, and they are my only source of study.

Omniscience means that God's knowledge of reality is not limited to time.
Right now He is knowing and seeing a billion years into the future.

He does not simply know the future.
He has always been knowing the future.
There never was a time that he did not know all there is a billion years into the future.

Yes.... we are microscopic pea brains in relation to Gods knowledge.

My post went right over you-understandably.
J.

That's because your assertions went right over the bible and did not comport with reasonable rules of comprehension and logic pplied to the bible..

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