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FREDDY01

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Hi everyone,

I've in the gospel since I was a kid, and now I'm 26 years old, and I don't feel like to visit any church at all, why?, because I'm tired of how some people manipulate the weak mind of many, I'm tired of how people blame Satan or Devil because of some goals don't success, things, bad personals behavior and whatever... they do I'm sick, yes sick of how people justify after taking the worst decisions ever. I'm tired of how they don't want to study, work hard, fix the things they mess up and "expect God's will", of how people is trying to control your life because they say "God said you must do this, don't disobey Him or you will perish!".

I really love to share time with my brothers and sisters, I owe my life out of drugs, out of the street, but how can I just be into a church where most of them, and please excuse me most of them follow blindly these this I mentioned.

Maybe this not important, but visit any church is not a big deal for me any more, I used to be a pianist, a young pastor, singing in the choir of the church, but that's nothing because when you have Jesus Christ you have everything.
What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose
sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ.

Philippians: 3:8

I don't care if people sin, they are human, I'm not God!, I'm sick of how people sin, and they pretend they did not do any shit, because the grace of Jesus, come on!!!. So I don't really want to visit any church what do you guys recommend to me? Because this choice I'm taking if for real, I have 2 week I don't go to the church, some missed call I don't want to answer, cause I must have my mind clear before go with this to the end.

Freddy Abreu.
 
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Galahad

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So go to church and worship. Be an example. Use your anger in a positive way. Show them and quietly, meekly teach them. Invite someone to your home for lunch or dinner, get to know the people. Certainly you're not the only one who feels he is right and they are all wrong. Find another person who agrees with you. Work together. Paul did not write off the church at Corinth, yet they were full of corrupt behavior and attitudes.

Did you know S*** is consider dirty and unacceptable? You may not have been aware that it is.
 
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WoundedWarrior

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I agree with Galahad's advice to you, FREDDY01.

I'd also like to add that you are normal -- most people, including myself, go through a phase of life where we feel disconnected at our home church. This disconnect occurred, for me, during the time I left my father and mother's home, to live on my own.
For the past eight years, I have not regularly attended anywhere. Sure, there were periods of time, within the past eight years, where I was attending regularly - but life can change so much in a short time. Me, I went to college, joined the Army, moved several times, got married, etc.
This is a unique time, right now, because now that my wife and I have a home together - we are now beginning to realize the importance of regular fellowship with fellow Believers. We have committed to attend this Sunday - and we are now committed to make it a regular habit.

Each person's situation is unique, but I hope that some of this resonates with you. My only addition to Galahad's advice to you is to consider becoming a part of a small group of Christians who meet outside the regular worship time. Preferably a group of people who you can relate to; 20-somethings group, Men's group, Church softball team, Music group, etc.

In His name,
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Jesus4ever

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I can see where you´re standing. I´ve been there before, and I can tell you one thing: church is very important! I thank God for having let me know and fell that.

I´ll pray for you, brother! May God bless you!
 

Joidevivre

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Usually when strong feelings overwhelm you such as you expressed, it is sometimes the Holy Spirit calling you to get on your knees and be an intercessor. To weep - to pray with the passion you feel.

Don't waste these feelings. Intercession is a Godly outlet.
 
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There is an old saying: "If you allow a hypocrite to stand between you and God, the Hypocrite is positioned closer to God than you are."

One of Satan's slickest ploys is to use any means he can to get us to move even further from God with every perceived insult, offence, or aggravation.
 
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JeniBean

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I have to agree with Willie-T!

Church is there for your worship and connection to GOD, to learn things you have learned, to have your spirit uplifted, etc.

Allowing others ways (and remember we are all sinners) to stop you from worshiping GOD, is allowing the Devil to tear you further from him.

Do not allow others thoughts, sins, feelings, actions, etc to ever stop you from worshiping our Glorious God!
 
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And besides that, it is important that we learn to live around the other aggravating "Christians" that also inhabit those buildings. (You don't seriously believe that we are going to think and feel identically to one another in everything in Heaven, do you?) No way, or we will just become robots. (Stepford wives) No, we will learn to love one another DESPITE our differences. But that "learning" process begins here on Earth. And "church" mingling, now, is a big part of it
 

levi85

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Lord bless this matter, in Jesus name, Amen!
 

slave

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If a good principle has us do a wrong thing it is time to rethink the principle. If there is truth in something does that make it always truthful at the end? Satan uses half-truths right?

First if we are committed to our Father then we agree to look to what He says and wants, This is why you are asking, Ephesians 1:1-3, tells us how we need to procure any measure of victory for ourselves by FIRST sitting in things already accomplished in Christ. So I suggest Praying in a quiet place to God and asking Him what He thinks. His Spirit will guide you, be patient with Him give more time than you expect....seek! But, God does call us to encouragement from the Body of believer's who also are seeking things first thru Him.

First of all Saran wrap the principle that has come into your reasoning and hold off on its conclusion during all this seeking His face over this, then Read Hebrews 10:24-25. while still in prayer as well. I would write it out but by going to it and reading it in prayer God will have a base of operation to speak to you from. So I will not text it out in full yet, but there is a point in there that says, "....Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing......" It then goes on to explain why. Let God Himself give you that understanding and Let Him testify to your soul over it.

As God gives you insight by resting in Him...John 13:17 says then, "If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them."

Be careful of Satan's counterfeit bills. The counterfeit of obedience is a state of mind in which you create your own opportunities to sacrifice yourself, and your zeal and enthusiasm are mistaken for discernment. It is easier to sacrifice yourself than to fulfill your spiritual destiny, which is stated in Romans 12:1-2. It is much better to fulfill the purpose of God in your life by discerning His will than it is to perform great acts of self-sacrifice. "Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice...." 1 Samuel 15:22. Beware of paying attention or going back to what you once were, when God wants you to be something that you have never been. "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know....." John 7:17. All of these verses you could use to pray and read over....the key is : clear your thoughts and just let God speak.

Let not your calling of God have you lag behind-- based on human reasoning, or emotional distraction. Turn from asking a question to seeking one, first from God then from [wise] counsel. God will have you eventually, in my understanding, stay the coarse of a local body of believers. But as you go through this crisis moment you will have even more Character in knowing it. For perseverance is Gods calling here.
 

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Find fellowship with other believers. I don't recommend 'going to church' where you just sit, pay the man, and talk football after the service. Start an in home fellowship with Christians that long for a closer walk with Jesus who are tired of institutional religion. 'Where 2 or 3 are gathered in His name...He'll be there...' free of charge. No membership dues required. Praise Him!

Lord, I pray for my brother that you'd set him free and bless him with all spiritual blessings. Show him the simplicity of gathering together with those of like faith, that it's family and community, ministering one another in spontaneous fellowship in the Spirit as described in the word. Not about buildings, not about money, not about schedules. Reveal to him Your truth in this matter. Amen!
 

slave

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Find fellowship with other believers. I don't recommend 'going to church' where you just sit, pay the man, and talk football after the service. Start an in home fellowship with Christians that long for a closer walk with Jesus who are tired of institutional religion. 'Where 2 or 3 are gathered in His name...He'll be there...' free of charge. No membership dues required. Praise Him!

Lord, I pray for my brother that you'd set him free and bless him with all spiritual blessings. Show him the simplicity of gathering together with those of like faith, that it's family and community, ministering one another in spontaneous fellowship in the Spirit as described in the word. Not about buildings, not about money, not about schedules. Reveal to him Your truth in this matter. Amen!
I love your enthusiasm for a branch of the Church in terms of small groups or outreach ministries. Have you ever thought that maybe God has called you to do such a ministry in your place of residence? That would be awesome! There are many branches of the Church we can adore without subjugating ourselves from the whole of the Church function. I agree, as does scripture, that there are many areas of fellowship in the variety of functions within the Church governing bodies. Small groups, discipleship, Sunday schools, the main church service,men groups, topical groups, exercise groups, even simply getting together for coffee, commonality is a high order to the whole of Gods over-all wisdom. But when we segregate one over the others we find ourselves denying the scripture.

First, the emotional issue--money; God tells us to bring it into the store house, such as the Church facility, Now God is head of every Church scripture notes so, to say "pay the man" seems to degrade Gods over-seeing power to correct any wrong-doings in His church. In way of money the pastors are not asking on their authority, but on Gods. If we do not tithe 10% of our gain we are not robbing or discriminating from the Pastor, but from God Himself. If you tithe faithfully to a Church God will hold the Pastor at a higher level of accountability to how he uses it. But we are not the jury for that He says, God alone is. He also gives notice to the natural tendency to want to dictate monies proportionately, such as well I know Timmy up the street needs it more than Pastor Bob so I will tithe that way. God has given you opportunity to also give to Timmy as a form of offering, which He will also bless, but that is in proportion to your faith and not a requirement of God. Unless He leads you to it, and asks you to do it specifically.

I imagine you have read Scripture about the Church and know God is in favor of it. I also see in your wording that you mistrust the church yourself, is that right?

You and I are saying we want to concentrate on the important issue to God, but for either of us to concentrate on God we must mortify our religious self-will. Our Lord refused to be self-willed religiously, and it was this that staggered the Pharisees. We are self-willed religiously, consequently, we tell God we do not intend to concentrate on Him, we only intend to concentrate on our idea of what the saintly life should be, and before long we find that the pressing in of the life of God ceases and we begin to wilt. We are living a religiously self-centered life. We must beware of turning away from God by grubbing amongst our own experiences.

Your experience with a Church may have people not truly focused either. You do have a choice on which body of believers you want to attend with, but remember God does not want them or us to imitate Jesus Christ: He expects us to allow the life of Jesus to be manifested in our mortal flesh. God will bring us into difficult places where no one can help us, and we can either manifest the life of Jesus in those conditions, or else be cowards, and say, "I cannot exhibit the life of Christ here." Then we deprive God of His glory.

You are struggling with Church I see this. It's OK, but God will show you His intent with why it needs to stay in place. If you need a small group or other function of the Church go for it, God is in those too. Just not instead of.
 
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FREDDY01

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I feel sorry about saying s..., please forgive me I won't do it again I'm really angry!, I already tried to introduce myself to some of them, but they convert to someone totally different when they leave the church, I mean bad things I'm not holy, but I admit when I sin, and do evil, and I'm just tired, but because with your love you write guys I'm going to be stronger for my little daughter and my sweet wife, I really needed it, I love you!.

IN the sweet name of Jesus.
 
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WoundedWarrior

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I feel sorry about saying s..., please forgive me I won't do it again I'm really angry!, I already tried to introduce myself to some of them, but they convert to someone totally different when they leave the church, I mean bad things I'm not holy, but I admit when I sin, and do evil, and I'm just tired, but because with your love you write guys I'm going to be stronger for my little daughter and my sweet wife, I really needed it, I love you!.

IN the sweet name of Jesus.
Amen brother! Hang in there!