I happen to be a Satanist

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[quote=Cmedic57;528795]Well, have seen too many miracles in my life to deny Christ. Have a personal relationship with Him ... know He IS and rewards those who diligently seek Him. Also know that He loves you even though you do not believe in Him and choose to serve the god of this world instead. If it all depended on us... no one would be saved. You are 16 years old and I am over 60 years old. You say your "religion" has enriched your life ... but when you are as old as I am I sincerely doubt you will feel the same way as you do now ... even I have grown in knowledge and what I used to believe in has changed as I have matured in my faith and can see God more clearly. I have no doubt you have NOT studied God's word indepth as I have ... nor seen the miracles I have. If you had ... if you had seen the Truth as it has been revealed to me ... you would not say you are a satanist. I pray that you are allowed to see Him as I do... I pray that you are one of the few God has chosen to be an object of His blessing and not be one of the many who are chosen to be objects of God's wrath. I would like to be your forever friend ... but that can only happen if you humble yourself, ask Jesus to forgive you, and invite His spirit to live inside your temple (body) along with your spirit (ie. be born again) ... for only those who live for Christ can enter into His kingdom, the rest will suffer in the firey abyss and be tormented by satan and his demons for eternity. I would not wish this on my worst enemy, and like God wish that all would come to repentance and accept Christ as thier savior. I sincerely pray that your eyes be opened to the TRUTH and accept Christ as the ONLY WAY to salvation and LIVE in Him. AMEN.[/quote]


You've said some contradicting things. And some other things that werent contradictory were more of a personal opinion.

The first sentence you said you've seen too many miracles to deny Christ. First of all, that's debatable. What is a miracle to one could be nothing to another. Is a miracle whatever you want it to be? Or whatever you think it is? If so, EVERYTHING has the potential of being a miracle to someone out there. It's a matter of opinion and surely doesnt prove the existance of anything. Certain things can simply be a freak of nature, not something divine. People get "lucky" for no reason. Just as people have "bad luck" for no reason. There are coincidences. Just as there is dejavu. And even if there are miracles, there is no telling where they came from or how or why.

Could a Jew or Muslim or a witch have a miracle happen to them? They may not believe in Jesus. And in the case of the witch, who knows what sort of supernatural God or Goddess they believe in. Surely, they will think that the said "miracle" came from where their place of divinity is.

Your 3rd sentence was " know He IS and rewards those who diligently seek Him" But then you say " I pray that you are allowed to see Him" and " I pray that you are one of the few God has chosen to be an object of His blessing and not be one of the many who are chosen to be objects of God's wrath." (...nothing but God's object, huh? Not a very desirable position)

This is a problem that often comes up when speaking to Christians. They try so hard to make you believe that God gave us free will. But is God all knowing? All powerful? Can he tell the future? If so, then he already knows from the time we are born where we are going to go when we die. Which means we have no choice. Our inevitable fate has been sealed, as God saw fit.

In other words, some of us are predisposed to be “saved” and some of us simply aren’t. So, you are trying to say that we have free will…but that clearly causes some problems…not ALL of us is in God’s Plan. You can try and say something like, “He wants all of His children”. Well, that’s fine and good. But some of us have no hope. Our contract to hell has been locked and sealed before we were even born. So no, not EVERYONE can be saved. If that were true, it would all be up in the air. And God wouldn’t know for sure who was going to be saved and who wouldn’t be. And that wouldn’t make him God, would it?

"for only those who live for Christ can enter into His kingdom, the rest will suffer in the firey abyss and be tormented by satan and his demons for eternity. I would not wish this on my worst enemy" ...but he LOVES you! lol. That really sounds like what a loving parent would do, no? Our heavenly Father won't just punish us...it's severe torture for all eternity...simply for disagreeing with him. That's not sadistic and fascist at all....


"even I have grown in knowledge and what I used to believe in has changed as I have matured in my faith and can see God more clearly. I have no doubt you have NOT studied God's word indepth as I have ... nor seen the miracles I have." Of course you've grown in knowledge and what you used to believe has changed and matured. There is nothing special about that. It's not confined to the world of religion. That goes for ALL topics. It's called maturity, wisdom, and experience. As we get older, we develope better critical thinking skills. We have more time to ponder our thoughts and beliefs. Life experience takes it's toll. ...You mention earlier my age of being 16. I'm sorry I didnt lie on this site and post a much older age. Maybe my thoughts would gain more attention and respect rather than the common belief as someone else even stated that I "am just young and am trying to rebel". Having said what I just said a few sentences ago, I'm fully aware that my thoughts will change as I age. With any luck, they will be even further reinforced! I have no doubt in my mind that is what will be the case. How would you know what I've studied? Have I read the Bible all the way through? Yes I have! Twice, actually. I can't quote it at will like some of you can, but I'm very familiar with the text, as I am with other mainstream religions and some cults. I am very proud of my knowledge. I've been in a gifted school for a few years now, and I'd wager that my I.Q. is higher than most on this site! Not to get off topic, but it's a bit insulting what dscherck said:

In all honesty, she's 16 according to her profile. I'd wager a guess she's likely just into it for the rebellion/shock value. LaVey Satanism isn't really even Satanism, it's more a hedonistic viewpoint that took the name for shock value. Real Satanists are a bit more.... covert.

Rebellion/shock value? Do I sound as though that impresses me a bit? I'm not like the rest of the moron teenagers if you couldnt tell. My vocabulary and descriptive explainations should have given that away... Have you even read what I've been saying, dscherck?

LaVey Satanism isn't real Satanism? It's the first official above ground Satanic church ever formed. Not to be confused with bogus devil worship. You'd have to have the intellect of a thumb nail to want to worship Satan in a literal way. I have no respect for devil worshipers. If you are going to worship the devil, why not worship God? You clearly are acknowledging His existance in doing so....Do not confuse these things. Devil worshipers are not very intelligent people...

LaVey chose the name for a few reasons, actually. Shock value was indeed one of them. Having worked in carnivals and circuses in his younger years, LaVey adopted some great skills on how to sell a product. How to draw a crowd. He was no idiot. He was very aware of the "shock" that came with the name. And that shouldnt be looked on as a bad thing, I might add. Why do people feel as though this discredits it or something? He was honest about his showmanship.

Secondly, the name actually perfectly describes the basic philosophy. It's a philosophy that is almost the complete opposite of christianity. Naturally, Satanism is a worthy title.

And lastly, and possibly most importantly: Satanists identify with this character that we view as fictional. He was the first rebel. Satan represents the guy that stood up against the law. Think of it as a corrupt government if you will. Satan was the adversary. The anti-hero. We relate to Him in a liberating sort of way. He was the one that challenged the rule that everyone blindly took for granted. It's a great allegory.

Sorry my friend. Mindless shock and rebellion have nothing to do with my intentions. Rather, I can truly identify with Satanism as an applicable philosophy and logical alternative to the legions of other cults/religions/beliefs out there. Satanism is in a big way based on science and psychology. I wouldnt have it any other way.

Now back to the original topic.

Cmedic57 mentions her age being over 60 years. Here is a quote from Anton LaVey:

"It is believed, by empiracle evidence, that many people who professed no belief in a deity when younger turn to "God" when they get old. Presumably, the closer they get to death, the greater their need for the comfort provided by religion". Taking this quote into consideration, and having a basic understanding of psychology, we could even go back and think again about what you said on how your faith has changed with age and grew with maturity so to speak. Is it not reasonable, logical even to assume that your age has just a little something to do with a need for comfort? Maybe you havent matured in thought at all, but instead see it from a perspective of someone who has new fears that werent their top priority or concern when younger. It's just something to think about.

Now, you might very well be right. When I grow old, I may very well turn to Christianity. But it's explainable scienficially and psychologically. And it would only be Christianity because it was the first thing I have come to know. Had I been raised some other religion, that may be what I return at an old age, if anything. This isnt God working on you. It's just common sense. You get old and you start fearing death.

And "fear" and scare tactics, something I have studied and spoken about with great detail on here, is something very common to Christianity as well as all relgion.

They scare you into submission and obedience, and then keep you with their promises..."but IF you listen to us and believe everything without question, you will be rewarded!" That's typical brainwash. Jim Jones did the same thing. And it's exactly what you do in your final statement.

Interestingly, as I was just scrolling up to copy and paste your final sentence, I noticed the sentence before last did just what I hypothesized. You use fear, only to provoke insecurity. Then comes the reward.."But IF you.....etc.. ...everything will be ok"


"the rest will suffer in the firey abyss and be tormented by satan and his demons for eternity. I would not wish this on my worst enemy, and like God wish that all would come to repentance and accept Christ as thier savior. I sincerely pray that your eyes be opened to the TRUTH and accept Christ as the ONLY WAY to salvation and LIVE in Him. AMEN."
 
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What you believe in then is the language of the mind not the language of the heart. The language of the ming can lead you astray very easily logic still hasn,t discovered the truth of creation even with all our technological advancements in science and quantum theory.

If as you say Mr. Lavey had all the answers and you are so well read on him tell me this then WHAT WERE HIS LAST WORDS

CORRIPIENS IRIDIS MANET
 
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Assuming you think there is any validity to the rumor that LaVey repented on his death bed? First of all, this as not been proven in the least. It is, more than likely, a rumor made up by an televangelist for ratings. There are no recordings or hospital documents about this "fact". The only thing I have found on it (and believe me I looked) was a christian lady that mentions in...where is her documents? Where did she hear this? More than likely, it's a weak attempt to make him look bad. They don't need to try so hard to make him look bad. His own daughter and ex wife did enough bashing and discrediting on him. Again, what does this matter? This has absolutely no affect on his message. There is no proof of any of these things, but it really doesnt matter. Even if he was a complete fraud and didnt live what he preached, big deal? It doesnt bother me. He was human after all.

But I ask you this: Did you read my previous post in it's entirety? If you have, you should remember the part about when people are old/dying it's very common for them to seek "God" and repent. This is a normal act of complete and total fear. And fear of death is universal. Don't even try to play the card "I'm not afraid to die, I know I'm going to heaven." Then kill yourself. "but thats a sin". Theres an answer for everything! I'm waiting for some nutjob christian to lose his mind and go on a killing spree targeting young children/babies because of their innocence, they will go directly to heaven.

Richard Dawkins makes an excellent point on how there is NO such thing as a christian child. Or a Muslim Child. Or an atheist child. Rather, a child with (insert religion here) parents. The child is too young to have any stance on something as complex as relgion. Can children vote? Does a child know if he or she is republican or democrat? Of course not. The parents tell the kid what they are. The kid hasnt reached the age of reason yet and cannot decide for themselves if they believe it, or if they think it is absolute insanity.

But I didnt mean to rant.

Back about LaVey...he might have repented. And he might not have. Either way, it has nothing to do with anything in my mind. Maybe I'm missing something? People do a lot of crazy things and say a lot of crazy things when they are that close to death. He was probably delirious.
 
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You did not answer my question I know what his last words were do YOU
 
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No I don't....No one does. Sorry man. Whatever you heard has not been proven.
 
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I care.

The fear of the Almighty God is a good thing because He has all justice in His hand waiting for the Day of Judgement. The Bible says the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. So when you say people repent at their death bed as if it's a bad thing, I think "she's right" and I'm proud of the fact. But that's not the only reason they do it. They do it because the love of God speaks to them. The sacrifice of a life for a life is touching--even that someone (God) that doesn't need anything or anyone would reach out so much to help those who are so weak and depraved. Fear of death is not universal. I don't fear death. I look forward to it. The Bible says for believers "to live is Christ, to die is gain." The reason why we don't kill ourselves is because we were put on earth for many purposes. To grow in Character, to spread the faith, to work, to enjoy life etc... And like you said we believe that murder is sin, including self-murder. No sane Christian would condone killing babies to bring them to heaven because that's not loving. Love sets people free to live, learn and grow. Heaven isn't everything, love is everything. Although it is a wonderful hope to cling to, without God it would be worthless. The Bible says that God is the giver of every good thing. That He is the source of all blessing. While that may be true. The only blessing that is truly real is God Himself. To know and love the One who calls Himself Love. I see that you are a person who seeks truth. That alone is a trait that speaks volumes about who you are and who you can be. The Bible says that God is the Spirit of Truth. To know God is to know truth. It's a tough endevour down here. But it's worth the search I think.
 
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No I don't....No one does. Sorry man. Whatever you heard has not been proven.
Oh contraire my dear Michelle here are his very last words"OH NO NO NO THIS IS ALL WRONG WHAT HAVE I DONE" and he did not repent either because he died immediately after speaking these very words.
My dear Michelle just so you know who you are typing to I was a self proclaimed atheist for 30 years I know the works of Lavey better than ANYONE in here including you and I will tell you now as surely as I type these words to you. THERE IS ONLY ONE FATHER ONE SON AND ONE HOLY GHOST whether you belive my words or not it is most certainly up to you though it grieves me greatly because I know the path you follow and in time when you have aged and your children which you shall raise who's actions you will see will make your heart heavy with sorrow because you will know that they are only doing what they have been taught by you. this lesson is harsh and if I can spare anyone from it with my words or actions I will most certainly do so. I read the strength of your convictions in your beliefs in your words and I would as it were turn them for a much greater cause and glory than following the teachings of that man or his god. For your years you have aquired a very strong mind this is no accident it is a blessing bestowed upon you and I pray to my Lord that you will have your eyes and ears opened in due time.

May peace love and wisdom be bestowed unto you

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You don't have to rush each other. I gave her a message too. :)
 
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Um...it IS a universal fear. It is seen in every area of the world. If someone doesnt fear it, it is because of deep brainwashing. The Heavens Gate cult didnt fear death. That's why they died. Sick people dont care and/or want to die. It's not natural to not care either way. Self-preservation is the highest natural law. No one wants to die. No one knows for sure what happens when you die. Simply because no one has ever came back from the dead to tell us what happens. It's just something that we will never know until we are dead. And then, we still may not know. In the case that it is nothing. As much as you think you know for sure what is going to happen, you have no proof. You have a book that tells you something, that is grossly up to interpretation and is in a big way allegorical literature. Every religious person of opposing religions repents or in some way talks to whatever they view God to be on their death bed if they are relgious at all. It is NOT secluded to only be a christian phenomenon.
 
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I was familiar with that "quote" that is precisely what I was referring to. So I said the word "repent". My bad. That is what I meant. That is what I was takling about. And that has NOT been proven...again, some televangalist lady made it up....where is her proof? It's just a rumor that got started to try and make him look bad.
 
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I doubt you were a real Satanist though...people dont "become" Satanists. We sort of view it as a home coming. We read the literature and it speaks exactly how we always felt. We feel like we finally belong. It's probably not too common for someone to go backwards. I'd question their very intent on wanting to be a Satanist in the first place then.. It's not something you just feel is wrong someday.
 

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I don't know what Anton Levey said on his death bed, but anyone that knows anything about the dying process I find it hard to believe that he said a few words then just died. That coudl have been how it happened, but as far as the dying process goes the MIND is one of the first things you lose. So no matter what he "said" he could have most likely been delusional. Lack of oxygen can make a person say many things they would not.

Also, the fact that he reportedly died of pulmonary Edema in the last stages of his life I am pretty sure he was not very verbal and if he was I doubt people could understand him.

I am not defending anyone, just saying that I hear ALOT about peoplee last words RIGHT BEFORE they died. I would have believed it until I watched someone die. A dying person(under medical care) is also usually heavily medicated to prevent terminal agitation and pain unless the patient or family refuses it.

Just sayin...
 
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Elizabeth, you sound like you've witnessed a lot...are you a nurse or something? just curious.
 
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I was familiar with that "quote" that is precisely what I was referring to. So I said the word "repent". My bad. That is what I meant. That is what I was takling about. And that has NOT been proven...again, some televangalist lady made it up....where is her proof? It's just a rumor that got started to try and make him look bad.
Well I have tried but you insist on not taking me at my word as I am taking you at yours this doesn,t mean I have given up on you because when it comes to a good fight with the devil there is little I would relish more. I know when your young that certain beliefs are very charismatic and alluring. Your spirit is very strong yet your flesh is very weak if you depend on your flesh eventually it will abandon you just as a tree loses it's leaves in the fall so shall we all be. But with spirit there is no loss only gain.

Do you like mythology

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It's not brainwashing. Small children ask about God before their parents have to say anything. Either the parents give them the truth and confirm it for them or give the child their own doubt/corruption and say there is no God. I study the Bible on my own free choice and it is logical and it's full of faith, love and hope. It makes the most sense and actually there are hundreds if not thousands of near death experiences where people swear by their experience of seeing heaven, in which people become believers in God and change their lives to be better people. God knows that faith is the best and only legit way to Him because it was by faith in Satan that humans fell from their good relationship with Him. Say Jesus was right and He was the only path to God and heaven. By the time you die you already chose to reject him your whole life long and your chance for faith is gone. That would not be good. All proof of God requires faith of the judge in the evidence. That goes for any evidence. I say that love is the proof of God. And that goodness is the proof of God. Who else can invent those things for us? "Every religious person of opposing religions repents or in some way talks to whatever they view God to be on their death bed if they are relgious at all. It is NOT secluded to only be a christian phenomenon." This may be true, but only one is truth. And I know we're both interested in that. :)
 

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Elizabeth, you sound like you've witnessed a lot...are you a nurse or something? just curious.

No. My sister passed away this past June. I was ther when she took her last breath. Also, to prepare myself for that event I read up ALOT on the dying process. Talked to doctors, nurses and so on.