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  1. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    I was not speaking of "elect" in terms of Calvinism. The term "elect" is a real word to be found in the Bible. What/who are the elect according of your definition of the word?
  2. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    Right now we can only be 'progressively' transformed into his image in our thinking in our souls... And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. ' 2...
  3. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    Actually, its God grace that starts the salvation process. Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. Election is God's way of letting us know that He already knows who would accept his drawing by grace.
  4. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    Yes... We are His body. Just like Eve was Adam's body before the Lord brought her out to be seen. We are the "Bride of Christ" as Eve was the bride of Adam. For when resurrected? Like Eve was bone of Adam's bones and flesh of his flesh, so we will be "bone of his bones, and flesh of His...
  5. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    You mean God elected those who would reject Him? I think you did not read what I said correctly..
  6. Genez

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Denominational hostilities must exist and are a part of God's plan. 1 Corinthians 11:18-19 In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you...
  7. Genez

    The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

    I believe you're misunderstanding and missing my point.... I was speaking (originally) about praying to get others saved. God is not going to reach in and adjust the unbeliever's volition to make him believe. Even Paul saw this and was sorrowful and pained for his unbeliever Jewish people...
  8. Genez

    The 'ELECT' vs 'Free-Choice'

    I can give you a Pastor-teacher to listen to. He asks for no money to send you exegetical teaching. For what you ask for? To be honest... would require you learning accurately some foundational doctrines you have been denied. If the Spirit leads you to do so? Just ask... grace and peace...
  9. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    Positional truth declares what is before it is being. Experiential truth is seeing its fruition. We must recognize positional truth because God in his omniscience already sees what will be as already being, and declares it as so. grace and peace....
  10. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    I did not say "salvation." Careful, please... I said what they were to receive in their salvation is different for what the Church specifically was chosen for. Here is what we have been chosen for, and not chosen for for the likes of Moses and David (before church age). But our...
  11. Genez

    Predestination is misunderstood...

    Well... you're really good at what you do. Good at trying to please your chosen group you identify with. You learned to gain their approval by saying all the right things they tell you to think.. Israel hold s a future separate from the Church. Theirs will be a kingdom on the new earth...
  12. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    That image we will be 'conformed to" will be what we all manifest with our Resurrection Body! We will be bone of his bones, and glorious flesh of his glorious flesh! That is what we were chosen for, Not to save us. But, rather. Chosen for what He predetermined for us to become as a...
  13. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    Why don't you show us how then? Why are you depriving us of needed truth? Correct us...
  14. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    You sure do a lot to help us understand your position. Don't you? Are you waiting for God to sovereignly zap us into submission to what you have accepted as to being the truth? :unsure::coffee::coffee::coffee:
  15. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    Don't you know? That appealing to reason is an insult to God's "sovereignty." Isaiah 1:18a “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says the Lord... And, if that won't work? Their hyper sovereign God will say? I'll make you do it anyway. Stubborn people are naturally drawn to some...
  16. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    Why not? Those would be the ones that gets his vote. He elects them! Calvinism desires a irrational 'benevolent tyrannical' God. One who all must bow to whatever He wants them to be. If God's sovereignty were as some make it to be? We would find no passage in the Bible that says ..."they...
  17. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    Without giving chapter and verse? One's mere opinion remains his own, and perverse. I don't swallow the propaganda that some do. If they show chapter and verse they used? It gets exposed, as to their ineptitude in comprehension of what is being said. "Goebbels says repeat a lie often enough...
  18. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    All will be evaluated and held accountable, no matter what side of redemption they find themselves standing on. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or...
  19. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    Not "would have eternal life. "Could" have eternal life.
  20. Genez

    Gods Elect vs man's selction

    God only elected those whom He knew would believe. Elected them for what purpose they would serve in his plan for making his enemies into his footstool. Why is that so difficult for some to grasp? God saves sinners who know they are sinners. Sinners do not have to be spiritual to know they...