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That is a very good point.

Apparently some people really "don't Like it".:p

Well it's not a commandment anyway. More of a General statement on the Typical way things are going to go from then on, men tend to dominate in politics and business, most women have pains in childbirth, farming is a labor intesive process as are many mens jobs, but it's not an absolute. I...

I'm not sure if I've ever heard either quoted outside of bible studies. I have heard people try to use other stuff in that section of the bible to somehow say men were always wearing pants though, as ridiculous as that is.

closest equivalent reference I could think of in the old testament to women having authority over men in 2 timothy.

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more like a discplinary ruling.

that would hardly be logical to have complete strangers being able to order women as they wish.

some difference.

“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.”

figure of speech, argument still remains open. And what argument?

wanna argue the verse isn't saying what it seems to, not to be taken literally( it would be almost impossible for it to be literal)? Fine, but you do have to actually use it, you know, find relevant verses, otherwise vamoose.

culture over bible got it. god forbid we actually go over the scriptures on the subject.

1 timothy second chapter verse 12?, I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

See women can get away with it men cant. As for restrictions on women....I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. Or are we going to disregard this part on some "cultural norms" excuse?

Aren't Paul's writings specifically about the church? The only thing other place I can think of that puts men above women is in reference to a marriage. I'm not aware of anything written to preclude women from leadership anywhere else.

not specifically.

Several things, traditionally mens jobs(even the military), traditional mens clothing, leadership in the church(in some cases even being pastors) to name a few.

DO women ever get tired of encroaching on men's territory? I know the same people who are fine with this would throw a fit if it happened the other way around.