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Look at Sodom being rained upon with fire and brimstone. It turns out that entire area is massive volcanoes. And many times when volcanoes erupt sulfur balls and fire and brimstone would be spewed out. Whose to say God did not use volcanoes to kill them because they were blind and lava...

I agree we could but when John wrote this they did not know what these numbers meant.

The Reformed Doctrine.

If 60 billion people were in Heaven could we count up to 60 billion?

Not as much as your doctrine of 5 Graces.

How many people do you think was ever born?

We can count beyond quadrillion which is million to billion to trillion to quadrillion and beyond. I doubt a trillion people ever lived.

Today we could add them up.

20% of todays population is 2 billion which is a great multitude.

Only 20% of the worlds population claim to be Christian. By your doctrine that means 20% are elected to be Christian and 80% for hell.

Only 20% of the worlds population claim to be Christian. By your doctrine that means 20% are elected to be Christian and 80% for hell.

From your posting history.

Knowing where your doctrine comes from I said it properly because you're copy/pasting someone else's idealism that is not your own.

Roger adheres to a doctrine called 5 Graces. But believes God does not give Grace to basically 80% of His OWN Offspring known as His Creation. Ever heard anything more ridiculous than that? To believe in something that only happens to less than 20% of Creation? The doctrine literally sounds...

But you do because you continue to misinterpret it incorrectly all day long.

From Theologians. I do not trust Scholars because many are atheist but Theologians are Bible Professors in Bible Colleges. (Rom 8:29-30) Notice the conjunction, “for”’; it ties what is about to be said with what has just been said. We know what God has done for the Old Testament saints, those...

Part 2: I am a natural born Jew who went through Mishnah, the study of Torah (Genesis thru Deuteronomy), the Prophets (Isaiah thru Malachi), the Psalms or rest of the Tanakh (Old Testament) and like my Grandfather (Rabbi and first Jew in his family to accept Jesus as Lord, God and Savior and...

Part 1: YES!

I am going to give you a 2 part answer here because part of it is what I have faced for over 50 years.

20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God In your verses from Ephesian 1:1-7. Remove Jesus from the verses and how are the Saints saved, Blessed, Chosen in HIM, predestined to be...