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The real question is: Does the Father draw someone to salvation or the Holy Spirit?

I probably can’t. I can explain the differences of a 2-stroke vs 4-stroke though.

Not that it matters, but Jett Lawrence (AUS) just won the AMA Supercross Championship. Weather here in Haughton, LA is wet (raining) and 67 F.

Sad

I get the jist of what you are saying, we just haven’t reached as far on this topic as you have.

There are still some very good denominational churches. There are also some that seem to have no life at all. They are still important. Not all hav been polluted with anti-Christ ways.

Well, you’re right, i obviously don’t agree with all that.

I noticed it during Covid. No, I don’t believe everything all denominational churches preach, but when all these churches were closed, there was a tangible change in the atmosphere of the town I’m in. It was enough of a change that it made me question what it was. It was a lack of people meeting...

To what end? I mean, what was the purpose again (of proving this)?

True. The Roman road is always a good one, but I had a friend who just prayed the sinners prayer with me (I prayed and he repeated). Another time (due to work constraints) I wrote it out on a paper and told the person to pray this and sign it. They went home and did it and came back the next day...

Weird

Mmm, usually In witnessing, you’re following the HS leading. There’s not one method for all.

Denominational churches still play a role and technically there is nothing wrong with denominational church services: Baptist Methodist Lutheran Episcopalian Presbyterian Etc.

Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing Just as I am Jesus Paid it All Blessed Assurance Once for All (oldie but goodie)

Haha! Yep, I gotta be honest, I would. You got me :)

It’s funny a non-elect making a thread about non-elect. How does that happen? There’s a political joke in there somewhere

Right I see it. You made good points. I’m just trying to figure out what the OP is talking about. I suspect he’s talking more about Jewish traditions rather than laws. Of course we all hope he’s not talking about the Law of Gravity, or Aerodynamics disappearing lol. Obviously for some, the Laws...

Which laws are disappearing? Yeah there’s a lot of laws about donkeys, holes in the ground, doves, pigeons, etc. I assume that’s what the OP is referring to?

So the Seminary had a book sale and you stopped by I guess? Or maybe you had a friend who is a “great” theologian and he gave you a book or two on the subject?

I’m confused