Doctrinal Affiliation

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Crossfire

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Since the introduction of the forums three to four years ago, many have used these forums as means to wage a personal war against denominations / doctrines they don't like. Often times these people will sling whatever mud they can find after doing a 5 minute Google search without researching the validity of any of the views being expressed. However, such people will very rarely, if at all, reveal their own doctrinal affiliations which goes to show that, while these people love to dish out criticism, they can't handle criticism of their own belief system or that these people may hold to some very controversial doctrines themselves that they are trying to hide. Personally, I would like to see people put up or shut up.

Now I realize that Robo wants to keep things nondenominational and I respect that. One of the things that attract people to this site is the fact that they don't have to reveal their real names and / or doctrinal affiliations and that's fine for those who come to CC to encourage and for encouragement. However, far too often people hide behind such anonymity to wage personal wars against others. Most of the time such people are not even aware that the reason they've taught to despise another denominations is because they too hold to controversial doctrine that puts them at odds with other denominations. I believe that the majority of the destructive behavior that occurs on the forums would stop if people were faced with the possibility of having to defend their own views whenever they decide to criticize someone else's.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I don't think that would help, those who attack others for the sake of attacking will keep doing it even if they stick a "label" in their profile.
It would be better if people think more about presenting their view than attacking others (and present them without saying "this is the only truth")

Personally I don't really belong in any denomination, so what would that make me? Split personality?
 
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1still_waters

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This may be helpful, but it could also lead to a lot of thread derailment, thread hijacking, topic shifting and red herroning.

I mean if someone starts a thread about Topic A, and someone disagrees with Topic A, they may look at the OP's affiliation, and toss in some non-germane issue in to said thread. All as a means of distracting from the original topic. And as a way of saying, "See you got issues too in your doctrine."

I don't know if shifting the topic of a thread by pointing to other non-germane issues, really leads to cohesive discussion of issues within a thread.

Now if folks presently are entering a thread that's about Topic A, and they bring in topics B,C,D,E,F and the kitchen sink, all in the name of grinding their ax or attacking, or ganging up on, please by all means report that to us. That isn't acceptable forum conduct.

Having our religious affiliation may be helpful, but it can't be used to derail someone's thread by saying, "See you got issues too!" Although if someone wanted to make a thread to discuss issues within said affiliation, they are more than welcome to. :)
 
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yeah, one of the first questions i asked of someone on this forum, "what is up with no one using their name?" in a way I could understand this for women, but for guys? so yeah, my name is Chip, named for a cartoon rodent.......

as for denominational stuff, bring it on! I would love to hear from those whom embrace any of them as being "the way", not to fight, but to figure out what is they hold to and why. but i can understand the thought that other might be more contentious than me. LOL.

for me, completely non-denominational. i hold to a reformation viewpoint, i know few hold to or have probably even heard of.
 
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NinJaGGS

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All things work for good for those who love God. A person"s level of confrontation has to do with their sinfulness and has nothing to do with their denomination. I think it does much good for us to realize that people almost always have a tendency to want to propagate their own beliefs. Pride slips itself into everything and seeks to taint it. I really think we ought to overlook other people's sins and realize that their lives are extremely difficult, no matter who they are. We have a divine responsibility not to judge anyone. Be angry but do not sin. I am trying my best to internalize the doctrines of my own church, one of them is to overlook people's sins. That"s my opinion, take it or leave it. You probably all are more advanced in the christian life than me, but where other people are in their spiritual journey is not something that I personally can wonder about too much because the tendency to judge is far too strong. Forgive me.
 
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yeah, one of the first questions i asked of someone on this forum, "what is up with no one using their name?" in a way I could understand this for women, but for guys? so yeah, my name is Chip, named for a cartoon rodent.......

as for denominational stuff, bring it on! I would love to hear from those whom embrace any of them as being "the way", not to fight, but to figure out what is they hold to and why. but i can understand the thought that other might be more contentious than me. LOL.

for me, completely non-denominational. i hold to a reformation viewpoint, i know few hold to or have probably even heard of.
What does gender matter in sharing names?
 
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Denominations divide, Jesus came to unite true believers who have repented, and are following Him in simple obedience, you can argue until you are blue in the face which denominations are right and wrong, but bottom line isn't about bashing someones preferred denomination but which ones are preaching the truth?

Can you preach a false gospel message and still be or get saved?

Do all denominations lead to the same God? Or a designer god, that winks at sin, and just asks you to confess and trust in His provision, instead of repent and follow His son on the narrow road.

Most denominations cling to thier reformed teachers such a Luther, Calvin, and promote original sin, substitution, OSAS, that makes real biblical repentance more of an apology for your sinful nature, and not forsaking the sin.

If your denomination isn't preaching the truth, then run for your life, expose thier lies, you may have to stand all alone, but its better to flee the system, than get swallowed up by thier false messages, saving the masses in thier sins, instead of out of them, but on a more positive note, IF they are preaching the truth, and this must align with the word of God, then I would be the first to join the body of believers, but sad to say I haven't found one who is preaching the truth!


Walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.





Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


There is a huge difference between walking after the spirit, and waking after the flesh. Most think they are in the spirit when they have never come to Christ and salvation on His terms!
Most also think that the NO condemnation part is a done deal, when they confess the sinners prayer, admit they are a poor sinner, and accept Jesus into their heart, when in reality nothing happened, they are still defiled and double minded, but their pastor tells them now you are free from any condemnation what so ever!
Even though they are still in their unconverted carnal state, sold under sin! This is what is being produced today by the multitudes thinking they are safe and saved, under NO condemnation, because Romans 8-1 says so, but they fail to see the to do part of this very critical verse from Romans!
Yes, there is NO condemnation for those who are IN Christ, who have crucified their flesh with Him, Galatians 2-20, through real repentance and faith, and are now walking in the newness of life, free from the bondages of sin, temptation and the devil, not by some magical substitution, but by the power, and blood of Christ, who came as a sin offering, to ransom sinful mankind from the corrupting influences of sin! Hebrews, 9-14. Plus forgive mankind for all their past sins. Romans 3-25.
If a real conversion happens as described in James 1-21-22, through real repentance and faith, both proven by a changed heart, made pure, sincere and full of love, walking in the spirit while keeping the deeds of the flesh dead, then there is now no condemnation, for those who are IN Christ, crucified to the flesh and its harmful desires, being sensitive to the spirit and its leading.
If you walk IN the spirit then you cannot be also walking in the flesh, its either one or the other, thus the condemnation comes to those who return to their vomit, re crucifying Christ again and again, for willful, presumptuous sins that should have been put to death at conversion.
Gal 6:7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that he also will reap.
Gal 6:8 For he sowing to his flesh will reap corruption from the flesh. But he sowing to the Spirit will reap life everlasting from the Spirit.
IF you are walking the crucified life in all humility and power of the spirit within, then condemnation will be lifted off your soul, as you remain IN the spirit, producing the fruits of the spirit, and guarding your heart from the temptations that so easily ensnare those who have never done their first works in repentance, stepping in and out of the light, and remaining carnal and double minded!!
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace
Rom 8:7 because the carnal mind is enmity(an enemy) against God, for it is not subject to the Law of God, neither indeed can it be.
Those who have gone through a true conversion, and have come to God broken in repentance, cleansed and purged of all known vile sins against Him, are now not under the condemnation of God, because they have crucified their flesh as commanded, Galatians 2-20, walking IN the light of Christ, so all they do, will be with a sound mind and heart, the motives will be pure, with good intent, and all done in love and sincerity, not for selfish gain, fulfilling the lust of the eyes and the pride in self, but with a heart geared to obedience to the truth, a living active obedience which will be imputed to us by faith, which is also the same as obedience to the commands of God which are not burdensome!
So the purity of the heart is crucial in all aspects of a real conversion, because without this heart purity, made possible through our free will and ability to obey from the heart, forsake all know sin, as the whole city of Nineveh did, then coming broken before God in an acceptable state, it will be impossible to walk in the spirit, and receive NO condemnation from God, as Romans 8-1 states, but a life filled with sin repent, sin repent, sin repent, and I mean fornicate, repent, get drunk repent, lie, cheat steal repent, etc..
God made it clear, the pure in heart will see Him, and please Him, and I don’t mean a perfect heart as perfect as God’s, BUT a heart that has been purified completely, by laying aside all wickedness and filthiness, and now ready to receive His implanted word with all meekness and humility, and not all the many neglected scriptures you never hear in church, or they tell you they never apply to you, are now totally understood, and adhered to, because they keep you in His grace, as you obey them, by denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, then living soberly, righteously and godly in this present age, where grace isn’t abused or taken in vain, and the great condemnation of God is lifted, as you walk in the spirit, and the new life In following Christ on the narrow road!
Tommy 9-2-12

 

Oncefallen

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One of these days I'm actually going to read one of this ^^guy's walls of text.
 
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UGLY, I sort of theorize that women may wish to be hard to find - with our friendly cultural and all.....
 
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GRA

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Since the introduction of the forums three to four years ago, many have used these forums as means to wage a personal war against denominations / doctrines they don't like. Often times these people will sling whatever mud they can find after doing a 5 minute Google search without researching the validity of any of the views being expressed. However, such people will very rarely, if at all, reveal their own doctrinal affiliations which goes to show that, while these people love to dish out criticism, they can't handle criticism of their own belief system or that these people may hold to some very controversial doctrines themselves that they are trying to hide. Personally, I would like to see people put up or shut up.

Now I realize that Robo wants to keep things nondenominational and I respect that. One of the things that attract people to this site is the fact that they don't have to reveal their real names and / or doctrinal affiliations and that's fine for those who come to CC to encourage and for encouragement. However, far too often people hide behind such anonymity to wage personal wars against others. Most of the time such people are not even aware that the reason they've taught to despise another denominations is because they too hold to controversial doctrine that puts them at odds with other denominations. I believe that the majority of the destructive behavior that occurs on the forums would stop if people were faced with the possibility of having to defend their own views whenever they decide to criticize someone else's.
"O.K. -- 'You First'..." :D :D :D

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Ugly

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UGLY, I sort of theorize that women may wish to be hard to find - with our friendly cultural and all.....
That didn't explain anything.
 
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TAZorek

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Matthew 16:15-19

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


Nope.. don't see any doctrine affiliation there. Relationship, not religion makes a difference. It isn't the church affiliation but the person affiliated with Christ that makes a Christian a Christian.
 
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I call myself a Christian , there are many people in Christian denominations who are new creatures because of what Christ has done and that they have received his unmerited favor. So hopefully we can not getting into unfruitful arguments about positions in the church. In the end, if a position can be defended by using a few Bible verses without taking way out of context. Then we can start to understand each other better.
 

Blain

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I use my real name here, I see no reason to hide it. But far too often people will make a thread for the sake of arguing. It's really stupid, it's like some people just live to argue and they will go so far to fill their need to argue as to say things about god, or the bible that are far from the truth and very bad.
 
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GRA

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Why is this thread in the 'Suggestions' forum?

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Crossfire

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"O.K. -- 'You First'..." :D :D :D

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Not a problem at all. How does "Absolute Continuationist" sound? *lol*

Actually, my personal views transcend any one denomination however, if I had to "label" myself, my views probably resemble CMA (Christian Missionary Alliance) most (with a Keswickian twist) although there are major doctrinal differences such as I do not believe in Carnal Christianity.
 
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GRA

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ABA

(American Baptist Association)


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