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Graybeard

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I would just like to suggest that is it not possible to have a separate section with a list of persons that have been banned with a short description as to the reason they have been banned.

So many times one sees someone has been banned and because there is no understanding as to why it leads to confusion. If we knew the reasons then that would be an example of what to be careful about...surely. A few that have been banned I have read their recent posts and could find nothing that appears to warrant a ban, then one starts wondering if it was a personal vendetta or something. I am fully aware the enormous tasks the mods have but could we not have some transparency? Now I hope I am not out of line for suggesting this.

I think this would also stop potential rumors against CC as well
 
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most of the time, bans happen because of something outside of the forums. :) don't just rely on the forums to see why someone is banned. Most of the time, it is because of something being reported. That's all. Don't worry.
 
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1still_waters

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Many bans have sensitive issues and in most cases airing dirty laundry isn't good to do. Although very rare situations call for that.

All bans are gone over by fellow admins and mods. So if there is a ban for a non legit reason, it would get fixed.


People need to quit assuming the worst about those who serve them the most. People are not banned due to vendetta. If people could simply give the benefit of the doubt to those who volunteer their time for many hours a week, so folks have a nice forum to post in and a nice chat room to chat in, this whole suspicion/confusion over bans thing could be remedied quick. It's not like we decide bans by flipping a coin. Give us more credit than that.

Read the rules if you want to know how not to get banned, and please give us a little more credit than to think we ban for no reason. I say this in general to anyone reading.
 
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There really are Christian sites where the mods act like Nazis...
but the people here always seem pretty cool.

I wouldn't stress about it.
 
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You also have the sites where mods don't even mod at all lol. Those are...yikes.
 
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1still_waters

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In regards to the call for transparency concerning bans.

Airing dirty laundry over private matters isn't called for in most situations. And in the very rare situations it has been called for, we've actually gotten flack from some for airing private matters.

So I guess it comes down to which thing do we want to get accused of.

1. Keep ban reasons secret in most situations, and get accused of being secretive over bans, as some call for transparency because they feel the admins/mods of CC are doing shady things that need some daylight.
2. Make ban reasons public and get flack for airing sensitive issues to the Internet.

Give us admins/mods some credit. And if someone really does feel there are shady reasons for bans, and are so questioning of the admins/mods, then maybe they should think hard about consuming the service of people they claim to be so suspicious of.

I'll be honest, it's frustrating giving HOURS of free time a week to some who are so suspicious and are so quick to assume the worst. It's frustrating because they're taking part of the fruits of said volunteered service.

And this is said to anyone in general who's reading.
 
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Grey

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forum graveyard/hell of those suffering from banation :p
 
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Graybeard

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1still_waters said:
In regards to the call for transparency concerning bans.

Airing dirty laundry over private matters isn't called for in most situations. And in the very rare situations it has been called for, we've actually gotten flack from some for airing private matters.

So I guess it comes down to which thing do we want to get accused of.

1. Keep ban reasons secret in most situations, and get accused of being secretive over bans, as some call for transparency because they feel the admins/mods of CC are doing shady things that need some daylight.
2. Make ban reasons public and get flack for airing sensitive issues to the Internet.

Give us admins/mods some credit. And if someone really does feel there are shady reasons for bans, and are so questioning of the admins/mods, then maybe they should think hard about consuming the service of people they claim to be so suspicious of.

I'll be honest, it's frustrating giving HOURS of free time a week to some who are so suspicious and are so quick to assume the worst. It's frustrating because they're taking part of the fruits of said volunteered service.

And this is said to anyone in general who's reading.
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You yourself used to post threads on reasons for banning someone which was good.
It is not about being suspicious or not giving credit to mods. I look at it this was, we are supposed to be all part of the Body of Christ, what happens to one can affect others.
If one is banned how is that personal on a public forum? because it is public it should be made known.
I really don't want to argue the matter, It was just a suggestion and if you felt attacked as a mod then I apologize.
 
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1still_waters

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Graybeard said:
You yourself used to post threads on reasons for banning someone which was good.
It is not about being suspicious or not giving credit to mods. I look at it this was, we are supposed to be all part of the Body of Christ, what happens to one can affect others.
If one is banned how is that personal on a public forum? because it is public it should be made known.
I really don't want to argue the matter, It was just a suggestion and if you felt attacked as a mod then I apologize.
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You yourself used to post threads on reasons for banning someone which was good.
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Those fell under the category of rare situations.

If one is banned how is that personal on a public forum? because it is public it should be made known.
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Well what if Bob is married to Sue, but Sue meets Dave, and they get into some inappropriate conversations of the sexual nature? Sue and Dave get banned for adultery.

Do we air that out to the entire Internet?
Maybe Bob doesn't want the entire Internet to know.

Of course one could say, "Well don't post those kinds of ban reasons."
Yet if all ban reasons are listed, but a few aren't listed, then folks could pretty much deduce why some were banned.

Another reason not to list ban reasons is because of the potential of lawsuits against this site.
Yes it could happen.



I really don't want to argue the matter, It was just a suggestion and if you felt attacked as a mod then I apologize.
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No problem.
This is a good chance for me to address certain issues that spawn off from the topic you brought up from your suggestion.
 
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Graybeard

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Fair enough, but If Sue and Dave had some inappropriate conversations of the sexual nature in the forums then yes, all the more reason to expose it to show that will not be tolerated:)........but I do get your point.
 
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danschance

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maxwel said:
There really are Christian sites where the mods act like Nazis...
but the people here always seem pretty cool.

I wouldn't stress about it.
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Perhaps that is true. even so, I think they act with moderation here and I appreciate that.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Just a thought....just create a few generalized categories for what the ban was about to put next to the banned tag. Like

Banned (Threatening Remark)
Banned (Immoral Conduct/Profanity)
Banned (False Doctrine)
Banned (Spam)
Banned (Harassment)

No details but the gist of the idea gets communicated. Putting Immoral conduct and profanity in the same category would keep anybody from getting any specific information about the nature of a lot of offenses.
 
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1still_waters

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Donkeyfish07 said:
Just a thought....just create a few generalized categories for what the ban was about to put next to the banned tag. Like

Banned (Threatening Remark)
Banned (Immoral Conduct/Profanity)
Banned (False Doctrine)
Banned (Spam)
Banned (Harassment)

No details but the gist of the idea gets communicated. Putting Immoral conduct and profanity in the same category would keep anybody from getting any specific information about the nature of a lot of offenses.
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Maybe.
But if people are suspicious of moderators without a reason given for a ban, who's to say they won't be suspicious if a reason is given?

People suspicious of moderators will just claim we put up a false ban reason due to some "agenda".

If folks can trust us if we gave a ban reason, then surely they can trust us if we don't give one. In both scenarios they're trusting.

If they don't trust our action as it is, how will they then trust our explanation?
 
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Siberian_Khatru

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1still_waters said:
Maybe.
But if people are suspicious of moderators without a reason given for a ban, who's to say they won't be suspicious if a reason is given?

People suspicious of moderators will just claim we put up a false ban reason due to some "agenda".

If folks can trust us if we gave a ban reason, then surely they can trust us if we don't give one. In both scenarios they're trusting.

If they don't trust our action as it is, how will they then trust our explanation?
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/is suspicious of 1still_waters trust issues.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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1still_waters said:
Maybe.
But if people are suspicious of moderators without a reason given for a ban, who's to say they won't be suspicious if a reason is given?

People suspicious of moderators will just claim we put up a false ban reason due to some "agenda".

If folks can trust us if we gave a ban reason, then surely they can trust us if we don't give one. In both scenarios they're trusting.

If they don't trust our action as it is, how will they then trust our explanation?
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I trust you guys completely. I'm actually impressed at how clean you manage to keep this site. I'd like to see the feature for reasons that don't involve disputing bans or questioning any of the mods.

I've had 2 friends that have been banned since I've been here. I didn't even notice their banned tag for a good while. One of them was an Atheist (He seemed respectful and genuinely interested in learning....not your average run of the mill troll at least).....I have no doubt whatsoever that he posted something that crossed the line and deserved the ban (I'm sure all bans are deserved) so it wasn't hard to put 2 and 2 together on that one.

My other friend though, poof....gone. I don't know what he did. I have no doubt you guys had a good reason for it. The main reason a lot of us would like to see the feature is just because we want to know what happened to our friends. It might not sound like a big deal but it would be a very nice feature. You get to know someone and maybe your talking them through something, or they're talking you through something....then bam, they're gone....and you don't know why. If you didn't share other contact information you might not speak to them again.

If you guys think it would just lead to more aggravation for you then by all means don't add that feature.....I just suggested it because I think it would satisfy the "What happened to my friend?" questions and eliminate the "Why was this person banned" curiosity and keep you guys from getting pestered with the same questions over and over.
 
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1still_waters

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Donkeyfish07 said:
I trust you guys completely. I'm actually impressed at how clean you manage to keep this site. I'd like to see the feature for reasons that don't involve disputing bans or questioning any of the mods.

I've had 2 friends that have been banned since I've been here. I didn't even notice their banned tag for a good while. One of them was an Atheist (He seemed respectful and genuinely interested in learning....not your average run of the mill troll at least).....I have no doubt whatsoever that he posted something that crossed the line and deserved the ban (I'm sure all bans are deserved) so it wasn't hard to put 2 and 2 together on that one.

My other friend though, poof....gone. I don't know what he did. I have no doubt you guys had a good reason for it. The main reason a lot of us would like to see the feature is just because we want to know what happened to our friends. It might not sound like a big deal but it would be a very nice feature. You get to know someone and maybe your talking them through something, or they're talking you through something....then bam, they're gone....and you don't know why. If you didn't share other contact information you might not speak to them again.

If you guys think it would just lead to more aggravation for you then by all means don't add that feature.....I just suggested it because I think it would satisfy the "What happened to my friend?" questions and eliminate the "Why was this person banned" curiosity and keep you guys from getting pestered with the same questions over and over.
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Ahh ok.
Makes sense.

Yeah some of this really comes down to which no win option do we wanna choose.

This one has merit cuz folks could at least see, but the no win side of it is that folks could accuse of airing laundry, making sin public and such. But the no win side of not posting reasons, is that there is somewhat an air of suspicion and a feeling there needs to be transparency due to perceived secrecy.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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1still_waters said:
Ahh ok.
Makes sense.

Yeah some of this really comes down to which no win option do we wanna choose.

This one has merit cuz folks could at least see, but the no win side of it is that folks could accuse of airing laundry, making sin public and such. But the no win side of not posting reasons, is that there is somewhat an air of suspicion and a feeling there needs to be transparency due to perceived secrecy.
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I see your point...... I say go for whatever is going to cause you the least aggravation. Looks like you got trolls to deal with either way :p. The last constructive thing I can think of to add to the whole idea would be slightly different wording to give gainsayers less of a foothold. Here's better suggested wording for offenses.

Banned (Offensive Communications Towards Other CC Members)
Banned (Inappropriate Behavior and/or Language)
Banned (Submitted Material Inappropriate For A Christian Chat Room Or Forum)
Banned (Inappropriate Chat Room Conduct)
Banned (Inappropriate User Name)
Banned (Inappropriate Media Links. Ex. Music, non PG Videos)
Banned (Unauthorized Commercial Links and/or Spam)

None of those categories are particularly accusational (Actually, I should have worded it like that to begin with). Anybody can get a satisfactory idea of what the offense was without any details coming out. I made a distinction between inappropriate material and inappropriate media links because it would keep people from getting confused about someone who posted some type of anti-christian rhetoric and someone who posted music videos that were just a little too far over the line for example.

That's all I got. Thanks for considering it stillwaters :)
 
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Pretty much the only time I'm really curious why someone was banned is when I was counseling them or talking them through something. In some cases, I have their email address, but if they were banned for being a fraud or a predator, then I don't want to keep talking to them or wasting time on a fake sob story. I usually just forget about it, but there are times I'd love to know.
 
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Donkey... the easiest way around the 'banned friend' problem is to exchange emails once you are getting along with someone well enough you want to keep in contact. Anyone not willing to share that information after they get to know you, well, you may not be getting along as well as you think. Most people won't have a problem sharing their email once they get to know you. You don't even have to use it as long as they're on CC. Just as a backup in case they, or you, disappear.

While your idea is good, on one level, you have to think through the reality of people. Putting any sort of reasoning for a ban just fuels speculation and gossip. If no one has any clue, it tends to die quickly, but if you give some kind of a reason, that just allows people to talk more, make guesses, etc.. and could lead to some trash talking. Or may ruin the reputation of a person. If they had a bad day and blew up on someone, and it's put in that they are banned for attacks, or insults or whatever reason, that just makes people think he's a certain type of person, as opposed to just having a bad day.

Just some thoughts i have, based off the behavior i have seen on this site.
 
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Ugly said:
Donkey... the easiest way around the 'banned friend' problem is to exchange emails once you are getting along with someone well enough you want to keep in contact. Anyone not willing to share that information after they get to know you, well, you may not be getting along as well as you think. Most people won't have a problem sharing their email once they get to know you. You don't even have to use it as long as they're on CC. Just as a backup in case they, or you, disappear.

While your idea is good, on one level, you have to think through the reality of people. Putting any sort of reasoning for a ban just fuels speculation and gossip. If no one has any clue, it tends to die quickly, but if you give some kind of a reason, that just allows people to talk more, make guesses, etc.. and could lead to some trash talking. Or may ruin the reputation of a person. If they had a bad day and blew up on someone, and it's put in that they are banned for attacks, or insults or whatever reason, that just makes people think he's a certain type of person, as opposed to just having a bad day.

Just some thoughts i have, based off the behavior i have seen on this site.
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Ya, I know what you mean. It could cause more problems than it would solve I suppose since like you said, just making sure you have contact info would totally sidestep the whole thing. Me and you haven't spoken much but I see you post all the time. If i ever seen banned by your name I would be like Ugly got banned? WHYYYYYY!!!!!????? lol.
 
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