Testimony About What God's Done for All of Us

So, I've been reading a book called Celibate Sex, by Abbie Smith and I came across this and I just had to share it. It applies to every human:

"The so-called fall of man, however, caused the falling of all things. And all pursuits since have been twisted to some degree, bereft of Love's original intentions. That's the bad news. The hopeful news is that humans fell, not God. Love never changed; humankind's reception of it did. Even in our twisted pursuits, Love kept pursuing, as originally intended."

How beautiful is that?

His love will not let us go. He pursues us to save us.
I'd never thought of it but He said "every generation I have to start all over".

Humans didn't fall we just changed, and it become a challenge to every generation.

The challenge is for God not for the people.

The challenge is for human not God

This site is strife city, not for edification. Have it your way for you're most certainly right, just ask you. Your time would be better spent reading God's word rather than books by perverted philosophers. jmho

Goodbye.

That is God's words as i understand it of course.

God doesnt change. Therefore people need direction. God sent the prophets out in the OT. It is Jesus that saved a lost world. And continues to until His return.

What perverted philosophers? Have you read the book? So far, I haven't come across anything that could be construed as perverted.

In a way, you're both right. While humans are expected to struggle to do what's right, nothing we can do will ever be good enough. Because of that, Jesus died for our sins so that those who believe in Him won't be condemned. Christians are still expected to follow Jesus; putting one's faith in Him means agreeing that sin is evil. Following Jesus can be challenging. But Jesus took on the biggest challenge: living a sinless life and suffering and dying for our sins.

"Jesus died for our sins so that those who believe in Him won't be condemned."
What about those who don't believe, why are they condemned?

Because they choose to reject God. We can either trust in our own righteousness or trust in Jesus' sacrifice. We can never pay for our own sin, so those who try to will always fail. Only Jesus can erase one's guilt.

"Because they choose to reject God." if you talking about Adam and Eve i believe you are wrong they didn't rejected God.
God gave the laws to the chosen people and that's the real way to go.

I'm talking about anyone who isn't a Christian. Although Adam and Eve did reject God by disobeying Him, we don't know whether they repented and placed their faith in Him.

We should certainly try to obey God's laws, we will always fail to keep them perfectly. That's why we need Jesus, who kept them perfectly. The Bible’s clear that salvation is through faith alone.

First Adam and Eve did not disobey God and they did not die the day they eat the apple.
God don't expect people to be perfect;he expect them to try.
Faith is only part of life and it will not bring you salvation.

Yes, Adam and Eve did disobey God.
Genesis 2:16 says, "And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
Eve later confirms that she was given the same commandment in Genesis 3:2, "The Woman said to the serpent, 'We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it or you will die.'"

Sure enough, they fruit from that tree. Genesis 3:6, "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it."

No, they didn't physically die that day. But God never said they would die immediately if they ate the fruit. There were spiritual deaths, since they were separated from God. And years later there were physical deaths. One good resource that discusses the matter of death in regards to this verse is as follows: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-...m-and-eve-die-the-instant-they-ate-the-fruit/

You're right. God doesn't expect humans to be perfect and He does expect them to try. However, works don't save one, and no matter how hard one tries, it's not enough because guilt is guilt. A perfect God cannot allow imperfection into His presence. It would burn the person up. Sin must be paid for. God never says that it's okay to sin, or that a certain amount of sin is okay while other sin is not. All sin is a result of turning away from God, so in a sense every sin is accompanied by at least one more. One never lies without rejecting God.

Without faith, you can only have life on Earth. Only through trusting in Jesus' sacrifice can one be saved. Ephesians 2:8, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no one can boast."

John 3:16-18, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son."

Hebrews 11:1-31," Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. [SUP]2 [/SUP]This is what the ancients were commended for.[SUP]3 [/SUP]By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[SUP][a][/SUP] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. [SUP]6[/SUP]And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[SUP][b][/SUP] considered him faithful who had made the promise. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had embraced the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, [SUP]18 [/SUP]even though God had said to him, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]19 [/SUP]Abraham reasoned that God could even raise the dead, and so in a manner of speaking he did receive Isaac back from death.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons, and worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]By faith Joseph, when his end was near, spoke about the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt and gave instructions concerning the burial of his bones.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. [SUP]25 [/SUP]He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the fleeting pleasures of sin. [SUP]26 [/SUP]He regarded disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value than the treasures of Egypt, because he was looking ahead to his reward. [SUP]27 [/SUP]By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. [SUP]28 [/SUP]By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.[SUP]"[/SUP]

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This web site doesn’t consider the possibility that Adams may not understood God’s instruction not to eat the apple; it is possible that God said “life as you know it will be terminated”

Eve repeated the same words she was told and the serpent used the fact that she was misinformed in order to get her to eat the apple; Eve wasn’t alive when the instruction not to eat was given.

I do speak Hebrew and it is true that the word for a day in Hebrew is yom but this web site fail to mention that it says in Hebrew “ON the day you’ll eat it you will die death.

On Genesis 2; 18 God said it is not good for a man to be alone I’ll make him help against him.”
Help against him could mean that she will not always obey the man’s wishes and in this case she was given the opportunity to improve their life.

Thanks to Eve we have the knowledge to know good and bad but Eve didn’t have the knowledge BEFORE she eat the apple;therefore many people don't accept the idea that they disobeyed God.

There are many translations problems and that is why there are many versions to the same story.

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You have the advantage of me in that I don't speak Hebrew. This seems like a very important issue to you. You might want to post in the Bible discussion forum to get more answers.

Unless there's a way of translating the words to mean, "Go ahead; eat the apple." It's still disobedience to God. It's extremely unlikely that Adam misunderstood God because He was able to speak face to face with God and God would have known if Adam misunderstood. Even if he did misunderstand, life as Adam knew it did change. They were immediately separated from God (a spiritual death). He and Eve were barred from the Garden of Eden. They would later experience physical death.

Even if God did mean that they would physically die the day they ate the apple, that just means He showed mercy, which is very characteristic of God. For example, God was going to destroy the Israelites for the calf, but later showed mercy by only punishing some. He gave the tribes that inhabited the Promise Land before the Israelites ages to turn and repent, and only after quite a while did He have the Israelites destroy them. In speaking of physical death, a delay of death doesn't mean death doesn't occur. It just means that the punishment was delayed as a sign of mercy.

As far as Eve, yes she wasn't alive when the original command was given. But by her saying "we" she clearly understands the command applies to her. She was either given it later by God Himself or told by Adam, but it still applied to her. Disobedience to Adam isn't the issue in the passage. It's clear that they were punished for disobeying God. When Eve ate the apple, she was disobeying God, believing the Serpent that God wasn't good, and choosing knowledge over God. Whether or not she thought she was improving the lives of human beings, she still disobeyed God and human lives haven't improved. Things went from a deathless, sinless world where humans could talk face to face with God to a world where sin and death abound and humans need to physically die before being face to face with God. Even if you believe God never said anything at all to Eve about the tree and that the rule only applied to Adam, Adam ate of the fruit and the Bible is very clear that God specifically told Adam not to do so.

For translation problems, you'd need to discuss that with someone else because I don't speak Hebrew. For that, you might want to go to either the Bible discussion forum or (given that there's a ladies post, I'm assuming this exist) the Men's post. I've never heard a version where God told Adam to eat the apple, though.

Also, while I don't know Hebrew, many of those who lived at the time the Bible was written did, and Adam's actions are never talked about as anything other than sinning:

Romans 5:12-14, "[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
[SUP]13 [/SUP]To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come."

Also, in Genesis 3:17, God reiterates that He commanded Adam not to eat of the tree.

This is the biggest problem with Christians; they think that everything is about sin.
I am sure Adam repeated God’s instruction the way he understood it and the part about dying wasn’t God’s words but Adam’s. Latter in Genesis 3:09 God’s asking Adam for explanation and not Eve because Adam got the instruction from God himself. Adam blamed Eve and Eve turned and blamed the serpent; it didn’t take long to become smart and pass the blame.
“Disobedience to Adam isn't the issue in the passage.”
Genesis 2:18 New International Version (NIV) 18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
The Hebrew version says HELP AGAINST HIM; this explains her disobedience to Adam.
Adam and Eve did not have the intelligent that we have and therefore we can’t understand their way of thinking. They didn’t know right from wrong therefore God didn’t hold them responsible for this “disobedience”; but they faced the consequence of their action.
“Things went from a deathless,,,,,,,”
Does Christians believe that? Look Genesis 2:9 “The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”
This proves that they didn’t live forever, God told them not to eat from the tree of life also; God didn't want them to live forever.