I am going to heaven....NO!!! YOU NOT!!!

This is the most important testimony I will share with any person or persons ever! You all should know me well enough by now, that I have no will. What I share today is to the glory of the Savior Jesus Christ! I would not sit here today, with a Bible knowledge of note, if it was not by the revelation and the Grace of Him.

I talked enough on the chat-room, and my language barrier is misinterpeted there. I know exactly what the Afrikaans Bible says as an answer when somebody challenges a statement I make! And boy, can christians jump to conclusions! Especially the ones that have the Spirit as they say! Then I remember my days of Spirit as well, and i humble myself to be lesser than them, for I was also VERY MISLED!

I want to keep this as short as possible. So, if I say I was the hottest deacon in the history of the Dutch reform church, you might think I am boasting! But I am merely stating what two thousand deacons on one meeting said! Yes two thousand dutch reformed deacons gathered in a student church at the University of Potchefstroom in South Africa to discuss church matters! I was asked to give a testimony by one of the Ministral-leaders and I did! I was the only one asked to testify, and i have to tell you, I did not testify! Jesus did, because I cannot to this day recall the testimony!

I recalled the closing statement though... I heard myself sayI concider my job as a deacon in the church to be of more importance than my job at Iscor as a senior design draughtsman! And besides it is way more satifying as well! It is great to work for Jesus!.... And that is all of the two minutes I remembered. This was one of the many occations where the Spirit of the Lord came mightly apon me, like it did with many people. Judges 15:14 it came over Samson! and later again and again, it never remained, because the remaining in a Body can only come after Jesus FINISHED His work! So if a person asks you whether the Spirit can come and go, say yes! it did so many times in the Bible!

Look at the disciples... Jesus blew on them and said...recieve the Holy Spirit.. and they did! John 20:20. But we know all of them recieved Him again 43 days after His crusifiction! See twice, at least! So no more of that! All this I said as proof that you have no reason to doubt what i say here is 100% Truth!

I am going to be honest and I do not care if this puts me in the worst light i have ever been in. If you hate me for this, please Love Jesus! Hate me as much as you like, and stone me with your thoughts, but open your heart to Jesus! He did nothing wrong, and He will do nothing wrong today neither.

Today I am laying down my life for you! I am going to judge you, and the only way I can enter into the Kingdom of God, after this judgement, is if you tell Jesus you forgive Cobus Myburgh for the testimony he wrote on the 11 September 2009.

I Love you enough to lay down my life for you! Jesus said, there is no greater Love, than to lay down your life for a friend! Well here goes!!!

You have not recieved the Spirit of God if you cannot do more than Jesus! Why? Jesus said.... John 14:12... Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Now the false teachers would come and quote other scriptures to reprove these words of Jesus. Because they also have not the Spirit! They cannot do these things, and now they despise all that even teach these things!

Let me ask you who you would believe.. Jesus that said this, or that weak little man that can do no works, that tells you this is taken out of context! Did you know the word context is not even in the Word of God. Why use it then, to proof your iniquity! Or your lack of Godly Power! Did you know the only way the Spirit of God tetifies is with Holy Work? Nine ways of them! If you know not what i talk about, quite your church and study the Word of God (the King James) so that these spirit filled teachers does not lead you into the pit!

Now let me show you who is right, me that is alone here, or the thousands that say we will always be sinners!
What does the Bible say who is right, the few like me or the many like them! Look !!!
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. Do not be any of the two parties in this verse! And the only way you are going to avoid this is through Bible knowledge! STUDY THE WORD!!!! You are fooled by the LIAR, my enimy! Satan!

If somebody says to you you have the Spirit of God, look at him! If the Spirit does not confess with him, then He is not of God!!!!! How does the spirit confess??? With no sin! With only Holiness! The Spirit cannot do sin because He is the HOLY SPIRIT! And in Him is NO SIN!

Sin is bad fruit, and a tree that bears a single bad fruit is BAD!!! LOOK!!! Matthew 7:15
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. More!!! 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
To make sure we do it Jesus repeats Himself for the only time in the Bible!!!!
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Ok! Enough!

If you have no idea how to judge fruit, study the Word! Bad fruit is sin! good fruit is Holy Works, the works Jesus did. Let no man fool you!
Look!!! 1 john 3:7 to 9 7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Considering i laid down my life here, you owe me at least the time, to study this well! Who's will is this?
Matthew 5: 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Can we be perfect? Show me the verse that says... We will always be sinners!!! And why can we be perfect... Because Jesus asked the Father to make us perfect!!!! While we are here on earth!!!
John 17: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;

Now my final request to you....Read the Prayer of Jesus in John 17, and then read 1 John 3. And then NEVER say to another person ... Nobody is perfect! Because you make Jesus a liar!!!! He said so in John 17 and 1 John 3!
If you are not perfect, you are not in Him and He not in you!
You owe me this much of your time to read those two chapters, i laid down Eternity for you, Do not forsake Jesus today! He wrote both those chapters.
And after you read it and you forgiave me, let me know, please. I await your forgiveness!!!
Cobus, the man that Loves Jesus more than himself! And i love you more than myself, that is why i write this! AMEN!!
Forgive the spelling and tenses, i am not English!

so let me get this straight....you are 'unsure' of you spiritual status and you are not saved yet, but you claim to be spirit-filled?
explain this to me please because i dont see the point of reading a testimony of someone who is not a christian but claims to be spirit-filled..that dont make no sense..

oow by the way..i speak duch..so if you are more comfertable explaining in dutch feel free to do so..your english is good so you probably dont need to.

I don't know where to start, so I guess I will start at the beginning. Your 3rd paragraph, when you said you was the hottest deacon. Yes, that is boasting in my opinion. Listen to the Bible not 2 thousand deacons. 2 Corinthians 10:17-18, James 4:6.

In your 7th paragraph: I hope you did not mean to say " I am going to judge you" I hope you meant to say I am not going to judge you. It is NOT your place to judge, only Gods. Romans 2:1-3, if you think you can judge others then you are wrong.....

Paragraph 9: No man can do more than Jesus. We did not give up the Glory of Heaven, to be born human to be persecuted, only Jesus did this. His blood is precious and washes away sin. Can mans blood do this? No. I am not even worthy to wash Jesus' feet. So what I get from what you said " you have not received the spirit of God if you cannot do more than Jesus" you are saying no one can receive the spirit of God. We are not bigger than God! No one that is or was in the flesh is perfect but Jesus. We are to strive to be perfect but as long as we are in the flesh we are not perfect. 1 John 1:8-10, If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.... It is after death and if we have lived according to Gods will, we will be made perfect. Not before because we are in the flesh. I think the verse in John 17 you are referring to is 21,22,23 I have read this. You have to look at the Bible as a whole and not just in part, as I think you know.

And yes, I am saying No one is perfect except Jesus Himself.We are to strive to be perfect and do the will of God, not man. But by saying we are not perfect does not give us the excuse to do what we want, in no way. We are to live for God share His good and perfect word and strive to be perfect. But when we fall short (and we all will) we can be forgiven through Christs blood which is perfect. If we can be perfect then Jesus did not need to shed His blood. Jesus did shed his blood because we cannot be perfect.

I am a Christian, His servant. Not above Him. I am in Christ and He in me but I am flesh and I am not perfect. Only He that is in me is perfect.

If you feel you are teaching Gods word the you need no forgiveness, right? You have not sinned against me so I can't forgive for something you have not done. I feel you are misunderstanding Gods Word in some places, but that is OK. Because you feel I am misunderstanding Gods word in some places. I am Christian and you are unsure. Maybe you put unsure because there are not many options. I just know we both love God and we both want His will.
Take care and God Bless You!

Ok! Thank you both for your response. I will stay in English and I will share with you the Lovely Truth! God's Word is the truth! I will say it exactly like I recieved it before I replied to you again. I went into fasting and praying for three days, and isolation, to ask Our Heavenly Father to give me answers for the both of you. For ten years people ask me... show me one perfect person! Well ,may I introduce you to..... A lot of perfect people!

First, let us walk up to them and approach them in God's Truth! The Word of God refers to "saints". Now to get the proper meaning of the word we will go to the Greek! It is from a Greek word "hagios" meaning - Holy people - physically pure - morally blameless - most holy one thing, ceremonially consecrated.... We know our ceromony is the Crosswork of Jesus. Because there is only one degree of holy, saint = God's holiness. There is no degree of holiness, it is 100% or 0% One unholy act, one sin, makes the sinner unholy! So, we have to know the bible anly calls people saints, once they stopped sinning! They do not sin! They are pure and blameless. But they are not yet perfect! Yet! Perfection is more than "not sinning!"

Now I ask, can a non perfect teacher teach perfection? Nope!!! So the teacher has to be perfect to teach perfection! Let us see if God have teachers that are perfect, to teach saints the perfection needed before serving God! They already obeyed God to the extend of, "SIN NOT"! They were all called to be saints! Let us see what God has in store for them now!

Before the saints can be servants, they have to "graduate"! And to do so God gives them ......Perfect men... apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers... FOR THE PERFECTING OF THE SAINTS!.... To do the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christs (who is perfect and will never be made imperfect with an imperfect member) So all can come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God! UNTO A PERFECT MAN!!! To the full measure of the stature of Christ! How Powerful is that!

11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

I am not yet saint, and others recons it is a lifelong battle just to get to saintship! Well they are wrong, according to this scripture from Ephesians 4. I do not blame them, I blame the LIAR, with all his false apostles and prophets, false pastors and teachers. False doctrines and gospels. False Bibles and teachings. There is no verse in the true Word of God that says we will always be sinners!And the one text people always refer to is the one in 1 John 1. So for yout benifit we are going to do it thouroughly in the Word of God now!

"Father, what a great Honor to Pray to the Author of Your Word to help us understand Your Word, and Your will for us! We are about to read from our teacher John, Your appointed apostle, given the Teachership by the Holy Spirit, through the Work of Your Son Jesus Christ, Our Lord. We ask Lord, that you would make our hearts recepiants of this Seed You are about to share with us. Let our hearts be good soil and bring forth thirty, sixty and even hundred fold, Fruit for your Harvest, Lord God, Abba Father! Amen!"

Ok, John is writhing a letter to us! John was a fisherman, that became a disciple (called to be a saint) and he had the first perfect "Teacher in flesh" together with eleven other "called to be saints" (students)! Then the Teacher taught them all He had to, and went to heaven, but he said that it is better that He goes, because He will not leave then alone, he will send back the Teacher that will NEVER leave! The ONE that is teaching us now! And the One that "qualified" John to write this exact letter we are about to read from! And Jesus said, this teacher dwell with them and SHALL BE in them!FOREVER! John 14:17. Note He dwells with them, and then He will enter, and stay forever with them, and us if we believe and know Him!

This John the fisherman was made an apostle, able to perfect us as saints!He was made perfect, by the Teacher of Perfection, to make us Teachers of perfection! To Serve the God of Perfection! How... this way!


8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Ok, I now walked a long way with John, and he did nothing wrong but I did and there is still this capability to do sin in me, so yeah, I have sin, in me. But what can I do with this sin? 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Please let me confess my Lord...... And now I am cleansed from sin. And from all unrighteousness. Clean as John was clean from the moment he was saint, but not made perfect yet! So now I have no sin in me, and it is as though I never comitted it, but John still has to teach me an answer to answer the other "called to be saints" when i qualify as Teacher!
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. SINNED! Past tence! All saints have stopped sinning, and if people ask them, hey but you never sin, how come, they have to say. But I used to be a sinner, God said all fell short of the Glory of God! But His Son Has risen and armed me with His Spirit to offer you fellowship with me, so you can have fellowship with Him after I taught you His will! And His will is: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

All who have fellowship with the Father, are teachers and servants, and are made perfect to do so! AMEN!!!
May we be united in Christ Jesus soon!
Love
Your fellow "called to be saint" brother Cobus!

So I take that your name is Cobus. May I ask if you are perfect? If you say yes, does this mean you will never sin again? I can tell you now that I am not. I love the Lord with all my life, He is everything to me. Without Him we are nothing. Through all the pain in my life God has been there. And through all the pain I am a stronger person. We are all going to sin at some point in our life and more than likely more than once. This is why Jesus died on the cross. I will admit I don't strive to be perfect as often as I should, and for that I am sorry for. thank you for your words. In future reference you don't need to type the entire verses. You can just give me the verses and I can read from the Bible myself. Above all things is love. I love how much you love the Lord and I do love you.
Thank you for your time and fasting. God Bless You and take care.

I know this is not what we are talking about here but above all things is Love.
Colossians Chapter 3. Colossians 4:1-5.
God Bless,

tnx for the explanation..you made some very good points.
my question in my previouspost still remains unanswered though

God bless

Remmy thank you for the fellowship! I am sure I am not made complete yet. But i had a ten minute "promise" from the Lord! Remmy, I was filled with the Spirit of God for ten minutes. And to be filled with His spirit is not this evil shows they show on television! Those are evil spirits at work! The ones the Bible refer to... in 2 Cor 11:14. We start to get the ideas of how a child of God looks like, and they dod not look like Benny Hinn and Joyce Meyers etc etc. Again you might say I am judging, but actually they show there own colors, i just call the color! It is important for you to know the Word, so you can select who you would believe when they preach.

I was filled with the Spirit in my bed, and i did not have the guts to even open my eyes. And when the Person left, He said..."Soon, you get to keep It son!" That meant that soon i will be sealed in God! I am not yet! does this answer your question? I am not yet where God wants me, but by His GRACE ALONE in am close like Paul in...Phil 3:12.

It is so close i can almost grab it my friend! Thank you for the love in Jesus, and may we ne united in Christ Jesus SOON!!! AMEN!

I have phil 3:12-14 highlighted... This is such a strong message. GBU

Evil shows on TV and evil spirits? These are men and women of God you are talking about.

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Evil shows on TV and evil spirits? These are men and women of God you are talking about.

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Good day mate!
Yep, I was also under the impression they were men and women from God! But then I met a real Man from God, and I had no more doubt!Then after I met Him, He also introduced me to a Few others, and they introduced me to even more others. Today, I am maybe one of the 1% that still needs "Holiness" in the church of saints! May I introduce a few to you? In this Church, ALL the members are holy! And the few that are not, will soon be! At this church, the Man from God, is the Head, and the sole maintainer of "sacred to God" in the church!
This church, are the sole Owner of all the children of God! All God's apostles, prophets, pastors and teachers belongs to this Body, and they are the ony One True Church of God on Earth! I am not qualified to be part of this Body, YET! But You just might be! And if you are, God blessed you, with the same "Rebirth" he has blessed all the "qualified" Children of God before you! If you are indeed blessed with this "Rebith" and you climb on the "Jesus-scale" you will not be weighed and found wanting! "Lekel" Daniel 5:25. I only have One Scale to measure with, and that Scale is the Word of God.
If i switch a television on and that channel comes on where all these "men and women of God" preaches God gives me and you a DEMAND! Look!!! 1 John 4:1
1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Now a study for you. I do not believe a person that says he is a child of God, and his actions and following words does not "confess" this statement! Jesus said EVERY person that believes in Him would do GREATER works than Him, so that I can believe He is in that flesh in front of me. And if that person does not even speak in harmony of God's Word, how can I agree, that the person is from God, without lieng to God, myself and the Word? Do you know how a spirit confess that Jesus is come in the flesh? God confess it! With the same manner He always confessed it! Let me give you one more verse! If you know your Bible you will know the two parties here!.... 1 John 4 : 6.
6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Know your Word and weigh all spirits to the Word! If that spirit wonders off ONCE! it is a spirit of error!
May the Truth of our Father be the Only Spirit in all of us!! Amen!

1john39, Benny Hinn for one, I know confesses that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. And He preaches a straight down the line message of repentance and believing in Christ and holiness. Therefore he is of God as it says in 1 John 4. So it's dangerous for you to suggest he is evil.

If you do some study about these verses you are quoting, you'll note the context is with gnostics I think. Benny Hinn and others are far from gnostic.

LOL...cobus,you dont make any sense...are you trying to say that joyce meyer and benny hinn and all those others are fake?
next time i wouldnt waste my time responding to a thread of a person who is not saved and unsure of his spirituality.

have a good day and may God bless you

Remmy, I have to share something with you!
God tells us that we should not believe all apirits. And we know that God does not change! I saw people falling all around and shouting and big chaos in the huge stadium, where this Benni Hinn was preaching. And then I saw a very scared little girl, abou 8 years old, that went up on stage with her 16 yearold brother! She was shaking with fright, and I knew something evil was scaring her! So i went to the Word of God for my answer! In the whole Bible there is only one place mentioned where a man fell backwards! And he died, because of the news that both his son's died in war! He fell backwaqrds on his neck, and died!
Then one day we were invited to go to a church called the Appostolic Faith Mission Church in South Africa. We went as a family and my daughters were 7 and 9 years old respectively. There were about 200 people in the meeting, and a band was playing on the stage. When the pastor started he prayed in tongues and nobody explained. I let it pass! Then the pastor came down the stage to the carpet between the front seats and the stage.
He made an alter call and people went to the front. Both my daughters recognised school friends of theirs, and they asked to sit with them in the front of the church! The pastor went to the first person and put his hand on her forehead! The lady went to the floor and an usher caught her. Another lady walked up to her covering her almost nakedness as she had on a very short dress. The other lady covered her with a bathroom towel!
Bot my daughters stood up from their seats and ran up the isle to me, they were terrified! And then I had my confermation! This is an evil spirit at work! My daughters asked me "daddy why is thet man killing the people?"
Let me assure you, no child EVER ran away from Jesus! If i told my children to go to the man, they would have disobeyed me flatout! Remmy i know the Word of God, and i see MANY people fiddle with it to proof that in Jesus' time others also fell backwards. But they twist it around like all the Bible-twisters of all time! And they do so, to mislead people, and they listen to their god, the father of lies!
They will bring up the text where God came in a cloud and no person was left standing! I agree they ALL bowed down before the Lord! they did not lie on their backs, they bowed down! And then they bring up where Jesus was arrested, but the Word says they went backwards, and fell down. Again they stepped back, and bowed before Him! God knows how to say they fell backwards, and He knows how to say they went backwards! Remember it was dark and people used weak lamps and torches to walk at night! they often walked right up to a person to identify the person. They had to step bakwards, because of the fire on the torches!
The chaos in the meetings of these "charismatic" preachers, is not of God. Look what the Word says....
1 Cor 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.
Look at the confusion in the stadium and on the children's faces at these "sensualy and earthly" meetings! And look what the Word says about these confusion, and chaos! James 3:15 15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Remmy i am not unsure of my spiritual status, I am not a child of God yet! But I am sure I would be one soon! I cannot lie, because I know the Truth! And the truth is... ALL who believe in Jesus, is His children, and ALL who is His children can do more miricles than Jesus! Here is the verses God wrote!
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. That power or privilege is the works of the Holy Spirit that they are born from!
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
This faith is... John 14:12
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
If you know a person that can do this, you know a Christian living the life God wants for ALL his children. If you know not such a person, be the first one you know, that lives like this! Do not wait to see such a person, be such a person!
May God's will be done in both our lives! Amen!

i see your point about benny hinn,thank you.
so in other words,im not a child of God because i havent done any miracles or spoken in tongues or any of the other things? although i accepted Jesus as my Savior im still goin to hell if i die right now because i havent done greater works than Him?

Renny, i believe the Word of God! It is my only Truth that proved itself infellible! And I do love you as my sister! That is why i spent lots of time talking here with you. I will not leave you in a state where you are unhappy! But our full joy is in Jesus, not in anything any preacher says! People with a soft doctrine, false as it may be, bring joy to our ears and hearts for only a short time! But the joy of perfection is everlasting! Longer than the earth itself! A peace that only Jesus can give, and this is the peace and joy i wish for me and you and every person on CC. Now if that is wrong, then I would like to be wrong for the rest of my life! If it is achievable, then i wish it upon you FIRST! MAt you recieve the peace and fulfilling joy of Jesus Christ even before me! As a matter of fact, may every person on CC get it before me, but please make sure He closes the door only after I entered!
Here is the verse about our joy in store for us!
Our faith will be tried, and it would come out more pure through every trial we put it through, but look what happens if we believe till Jesus bless us!1 Peter 1:6, 7 and 8...
6Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: 7That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: 8Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: 9Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
And this we will recieve my sister, because we will help each other there!
Jesus loves us enough to stay on our side, and He will help us with His Spirit in His Word! Amen!

1joh39 , the girl on stage afraid - it's called stage fright. Falling over backwards -it's called falling under the power of God. If you're not a child of god then you are truly unsure of your spiritual status.

I know what Benny Hinn teaches very well and let me tell you that he is the real deal. Call such servants of God evil and of satan at your own peril.

your title needs to be grammaritized correctickly

oh, and I sort of think that if you never have doubts about this, then you are just blindly following (Which is not good)

you should be analitical (forget trying to spell it right...) of the beliefs you have given your life for, and understand them well. I would also suggest looking into other popular belief systems as well, it's hard to say yours is the best, when you refuse to even approach the rest.

if you find that you're still a christian after researching, and blah blahness, then you are cool. (or whatevs)

No ware in the Bible does it say that you can be slain in the spirit and if the Bible dosent say it then it is subject to confusion and therefore familiour spirits. That is why we are supposed to arm ourselves with the Word of God to withstand the wiles( tricks) of the devil. Salvation is not a process however. The theaf on the cross just recongnized that Jesus is Lord and Jesus said Today wilt thou be with me in paradise. And the Bible says Beleive on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved, it does not say it is a process it happens in an instant. However it says in the book of James that faith without works is dead. So there needs to be a fruit that we bring forth and we need to have a desire to follow the Bible. To somerize Salvation happens in an instant; Christian growth is a process.