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Then I suppose you should have put more thought into how you worded the following:
I appreciate your walking it back either way. I have no current plans to beat someone to death with a wooden spoon..at least not in the attempt of an exorcism.
There are two extremes when it comes to the supernatural and demons in particular: obsession and ignorance. I'm not saying that complete deniers like you are as bad as people like Polly and Kiki. At least you would recognize their responsibility and punish them accordingly after a fair trial (I gather)(maybe you would summarily execute them, I don't know, I'm not you).
I would argue though that a recognition and understanding of the spiritual realm (in so far as it can be understood) is helpful in situations such as these. Denial of a problem or a component of a problem is hardly helpful if you want a possible solution.
I appreciate your walking it back either way. I have no current plans to beat someone to death with a wooden spoon..at least not in the attempt of an exorcism.
There are two extremes when it comes to the supernatural and demons in particular: obsession and ignorance. I'm not saying that complete deniers like you are as bad as people like Polly and Kiki. At least you would recognize their responsibility and punish them accordingly after a fair trial (I gather)(maybe you would summarily execute them, I don't know, I'm not you).
I would argue though that a recognition and understanding of the spiritual realm (in so far as it can be understood) is helpful in situations such as these. Denial of a problem or a component of a problem is hardly helpful if you want a possible solution.
Then I suppose you should have put more thought into how you worded the following:
I appreciate your walking it back either way. I have no current plans to beat someone to death with a wooden spoon..at least not in the attempt of an exorcism.
There are two extremes when it comes to the supernatural and demons in particular: obsession and ignorance. I'm not saying that complete deniers like you are as bad as people like Polly and Kiki. At least you would recognize their responsibility and punish them accordingly after a fair trial (I gather)(maybe you would summarily execute them, I don't know, I'm not you).
I would argue though that a recognition and understanding of the spiritual realm (in so far as it can be understood) is helpful in situations such as these. Denial of a problem or a component of a problem is hardly helpful if you want a possible solution.
I appreciate your walking it back either way. I have no current plans to beat someone to death with a wooden spoon..at least not in the attempt of an exorcism.
There are two extremes when it comes to the supernatural and demons in particular: obsession and ignorance. I'm not saying that complete deniers like you are as bad as people like Polly and Kiki. At least you would recognize their responsibility and punish them accordingly after a fair trial (I gather)(maybe you would summarily execute them, I don't know, I'm not you).
I would argue though that a recognition and understanding of the spiritual realm (in so far as it can be understood) is helpful in situations such as these. Denial of a problem or a component of a problem is hardly helpful if you want a possible solution.
Wouldnt an understanding of delusion help more?
I am not sure what you mean by 'asking GOD for forgiveness". Do you mean that you actually pray for their forgiveness? THe ones with the demons were the ones who torchured the child. Are you telling us that you and others are to pray for the demonics to be forgiven? Are you serious? How can anyone pray for their forgiveness. Forgiveness is given by CHRIST Himself the instant that anyone, including those murderers, surrender their life to serving to CHRIST. They are then covered under HIS blood for their sins, past present and future. Please make this clear to me about asking forgiveness...from whom to whom?
Its not generic at all. If this person didn't believe in the supernatural, then she wouldn't believe that her daughter was possessed by demons and wouldn't have carried out the act.
I'm sorry, but baseless belief in the supernatural was the catalyst for this.
You want a root cause? There it is.
Plus.. The dangers of drowning are very demonstrable. There is nothing demonstrable about the supernatural.
I'm sorry, but baseless belief in the supernatural was the catalyst for this.
You want a root cause? There it is.
Plus.. The dangers of drowning are very demonstrable. There is nothing demonstrable about the supernatural.
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Nah. Plenty of people believe in the supernatural without abusing children. So that's obviously not the root cause. One can believe in the supernatural and not demons; in demons and not exorcism; in exorcism and not through means of physical abuse.
My point was that you demonize (pun) belief in the supernatural, when more precisely it was a belief that the child was possessed and that the demon could be exorcized through extreme means. Likewise, it would be too broad to suggest the main cause of drowning is having access to water.
My point was that you demonize (pun) belief in the supernatural, when more precisely it was a belief that the child was possessed and that the demon could be exorcized through extreme means. Likewise, it would be too broad to suggest the main cause of drowning is having access to water.
What about these cases below?
Is it too generic that faith is responsible for their deaths too?
Christian Kids Dying Because Their Parents Refuse Medical Treatment -- And It's Perfectly Legal | Alternet
Faith healing parents guilty of murder after 2nd child dies from pneumonia | Daily Mail Online
Lawyer tells of agonising scenes as doctors forced to let a Jehovah's Witness who wanted to live, die - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent
Woman Dies After Jehovah Witness’ Family Refused her Accepting Blood Transfusion | Widower to Press Charges Against Wife’s Family
Muslim Man Rapes Child Bride Until She Dies
As you know, there are many many more similar cases where people who are dying because of delusion... You can't just dismiss it as a generic reason.
Is it too generic that faith is responsible for their deaths too?
Christian Kids Dying Because Their Parents Refuse Medical Treatment -- And It's Perfectly Legal | Alternet
Faith healing parents guilty of murder after 2nd child dies from pneumonia | Daily Mail Online
Lawyer tells of agonising scenes as doctors forced to let a Jehovah's Witness who wanted to live, die - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent
Woman Dies After Jehovah Witness’ Family Refused her Accepting Blood Transfusion | Widower to Press Charges Against Wife’s Family
Muslim Man Rapes Child Bride Until She Dies
As you know, there are many many more similar cases where people who are dying because of delusion... You can't just dismiss it as a generic reason.
Yes. I'll repeat myself; plenty of people believe in the supernatural without abusing children. And again, more precisely it is the beliefs regarding the specific action which is to blame for motivation. To blame "religion" or "faith" as a whole is absurdly superficial, and I'm confused as to how you don't see this. We will agree to disagree.
When you see stuff this like, what goes through your mind. Do you think they are foolishly doing what they think is right? Do they know its wrong but are still compelled by their faith to do it? Are they acting with intent and using faith as a false defence? Or are they just insane?
Obviously I'd go for the last one.. But how do you perceive these people and their acts?
Obviously I'd go for the last one.. But how do you perceive these people and their acts?
I can't lump all crimes by people of faith under one category of motivation. There are cases where brainwashed adherence to a harmful doctrine leads to violence, cases where faith is used to justify an emotional reaction, cases of mental sickness with twisted beliefs being the manifestation of insanity. IMO you'd have to look at each event independently in order to determine what was the prime motivation for a person causing harm to himself or others.
In the case of the OP, Chowdhury, vulnerable with excessive "trust and gullibility", was manipulated into believing her daughter was possessed and that the evil spirits could be removed with physical abuse. That is significantly more exact and relevant than simply "belief in the supernatural" or "faith," which speak to the incident only in the broadest sense.
In the case of the OP, Chowdhury, vulnerable with excessive "trust and gullibility", was manipulated into believing her daughter was possessed and that the evil spirits could be removed with physical abuse. That is significantly more exact and relevant than simply "belief in the supernatural" or "faith," which speak to the incident only in the broadest sense.
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Colincat. Did Jesus think that when he died on that cross for our sins? You need to learn that God is a forgiving God. But the repentance and the asking for forgiveness needs to come from the heart. There sins, was heartless yes I agree, But You can go round saying they don't deserve forgiveness. Who are you to say such things? God dont choose which one to forgive and not to forgive. You seemed to be conformed to the world of heartless thoughts. As a Christian in which I pray that you are. you will know we are to forgive those who sins, against us. Otherwise God won't for give. Hence in the Lords prayer, And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive them that trespass against us.
What that poor little child went through for 8 years, through the heartless sin her parents gave to her. the one thing for sure we can know that the little child is with the Lord now. As it says in the bible suffer the little children. God knows that children will suffer in this world today, because of all the sin and hatred and cold hearted heartles people who will make them suffer. Thats because Satan is the ruler of this age.
The world is less caring, and the love is growing colder each day. But God still forgives. and will do until he comes back.
What that poor little child went through for 8 years, through the heartless sin her parents gave to her. the one thing for sure we can know that the little child is with the Lord now. As it says in the bible suffer the little children. God knows that children will suffer in this world today, because of all the sin and hatred and cold hearted heartles people who will make them suffer. Thats because Satan is the ruler of this age.
The world is less caring, and the love is growing colder each day. But God still forgives. and will do until he comes back.