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Nov 13, 2013
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Once upon a time, GOD kept, for his own purposes, a people whom he called ‘the Children of Israel,’
who indeed are our natural brothers.
He placed them in his country called Judaea/ the land of Israel
and he placed his righteous Son Jesus, as their national and exclusive God, over them.
He, through their God Jesus, gave them a good WAY, of being loving and not hateful, by which to live.
Jesus, their God, sent Prophets (like Isaiah) to realign them when they erred.
Some Israelites killed the Prophets and some followed/ obeyed the Prophets.
There existed, an ISRAEL, within Israel.
The Prophets, like Isaiah, were Spiritual men who communicated, mostly spiritually/ metaphorically.
GOD, through their God, had made gracious promises to their children.
The Children of the Prophets were waiting on their gracious God from GOD = Jesus = HE who incarnated as Christ.
They were called Christians, being named after Christ, the good, whom they emulated.
In GOD’s country there was a physical mount called Zion.
On/ in the mount there was a physical city called Jerusalem.
In Jerusalem, GOD placed his only and exclusive, earthly Temple.
GOD called his, separated people of Israel, his servants
and a Kingdom of Priests >> (a treasure on the earth)
When they were faithful Priests, they offered sacrifices for us of the Gentiles also.
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These above described things, were all natural and literal things of the natural or the first, creation.
GOD has shifted gears and has moved to a Spiritual creation, by Christ Jesus.

2000, years ago GOD started gathering us Gentiles with ISRAEL,
by his Mighty ARM Jesus, through the teachings of his ARMS, the Apostles.
By Jesus, our Maker, GOD is making us into ONE or similar Spiritual men.

The Mount Zion has become the Apostles, who are the Ministers of the New Covenant.
Jerusalem on mount Zion, has become the Apostles and their converts or ISRAEL, on/ in the Apostles.
The Temple was firstly Christ starting at his baptism,
then the Apostles and the few others on the GREAT day of that Pentecost.
Next were the believers, who BAPTIZED, calling Jesus, ongoing from generation to generation.
The land has become GOD.
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Col.3
[3] You (converts) are dead and your life is hid with/ in Christ in GOD >> (the land)
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Adding up all things, we get the following:
We, the Temple and ISRAEL, live in the Apostles = Zion and Jerusalem,
who live in Christ, the God of Israel, who lives in GOD = the land.

A non Spiritual man will need medication to believe those things
but a reasonable man, of GOD and Christ, will consider them. :)

Finally we, the Apostles and Christ are ONE, with ONE Spirit living in the only true Deity, our Father.
‘IN’ is a very key word that the Spirit will define to you, who are baptized……
It is a great secret.

Isa.33
[20] Look upon Zion, (the Apostles) the city of our solemnities
and your eyes shall see Jerusalem (the Apostles and converts) a quiet habitation,
a (permanent) tabernacle (Temple of GOD and Christ) that shall NOT be taken down;
NOT ONE of the stakes (foundational Teachings) thereof shall ever be removed
neither shall ONE of the cords (rules, including baptism) thereof be broken.

Tune in with GOD and be baptized calling on Jesus, from under, (Glug, GLUG, Glug.)
and Jesus will take, the happy, you from there.
He is a competent Savior who, without reserve, saves those who come to him.

Let the disobedient teach disobedience BUT do not follow them.

Jesus, the righteous MIGHTY ARM, of Lord GOD Almighty
who destroyed Jerusalem, who brought shame to his Father, will deal with them.

They truly underestimate the righteous Jesus.

Alert dear obedient children of the Father:

Gal.2
[17] If, while we (Apostles and converts)
seek to be justified (MADE righteous = liberally good), by Christ >> (our Maker)
we ourselves are found to be sinners >> (workers of hatred and evil).
Therefore has, (the righteous = good and sparkling white) Christ,
become the minister of sin (evil)?
GOD,( the supreme one) forbid.

Grace is offered to all, on GOD’s simple terms.
The GOD opened eyes will see and the GOD opened ears will hear
but we hope, by any miracle of our LORD Jesus and our Father, for all.


Jas.4
[12] There is one lawgiver, who is ABLE to save and to destroy….

1 John.4
[14] We (the Apostles) have (personally) seen and we do testify (under solemn Oath) that:
the (gracious) Father sent the (gracious) Son to be the Savior of the world.

You are welcome back LORD Jesus Christ.
Amen.
 
Nov 16, 2013
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Our Fathers, the Apostles, prayed for Spiritual understanding of their beloved converts.

Col.1
[9] For this cause we (the Apostles, since the day we heard it,
do not cease to pray for you,
and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of GOD's will
in all (heavenly) wisdom and spiritual understanding;

We need it to be ONE.
 
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Our Fathers, the Apostles, prayed for Spiritual understanding of their beloved converts.

Col.1
[9] For this cause we (the Apostles, since the day we heard it,
do not cease to pray for you,
and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of GOD's will
in all (heavenly) wisdom and spiritual understanding;
We need it to be ONE.
Agreed.

How else will we be likeminded?
 
Nov 16, 2013
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Matt.13
[34] All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables;
and without a parable spake he not unto them:

Have eyes to SEE
and have ears to HEAR.
"Quit you like men"
 
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Jude.1
[17] But, beloved (converts), remember the predictions
that were spoken before of/ by the (DESPISED and DISOBEYED but Chosen) Apostles
of our LORD Jesus Christ (and of GOD his Father)
[18] That they told you (attached to Christ children)that there would be mockers in the last time,
who (being self-willed) would walk after their own ungodly (hurtful) lusts.
[19] These are they who separate themselves (from the Apostles Doctrine),
sensual (natural thinkers), not having (from Christ), the Spirit (that gives revelation to us).
 
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Matt.13
[9] Who has ears to hear, let him hear.
[10] And the disciples (Apostles) came, and said unto him:
Why speak to them (the public) in parables?
[11] He (the incarnated God of Israel) answered and said unto them:
Because it is given unto you (the chosen Apostles)
to know the mysteries (secrets) of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
[12] For whoever has (KNOWLEGDE), to him shall be given,
and he shall have more abundan (KNOWLEDGE):
but whosoever does not have (KNOWLEGDE),
from him shall be taken away even that (little amount of KNOWLEDGE that) he has.
[13] Therefore I speak to them (the outsiders) in parables:
because they seeing see not
and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand
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[14] And in them (the outsiders) is fulfilled the predicition of Esaias, that saith:
By hearing you shall hear and shall not understand;
and seeing you shall see and shall not perceive:
[15] For this people's heart is waxed gross,
and their ears are dull of hearing,
and their eyes they have closed;
lest at any time they should see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears,
and should understand with their heart
and could be converted, and I (the Maker of Israel) could heal them.
[16] But blessed are your (the Apostles') eyes, for they see:
and your (the Apostles') ears, for they hear.
[17] For verily I (the God of the Prophets) say unto you:
That many Prophets (like Isaiah) and righteous men
have desired to see those things that you (Apostles) see, and have not seen them;
and to hear those things that you (Apostles) hear, and have not heard them.
 
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doulos

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Wordsponge

Are you a follower of the teachings of the false prophet William Marion Branham? If not where do you get your strange ideas about baptism? Where do the Scriptures say we should be baptized in the name of Jesus only? Where does Scripure say one must call out to Christ while under water during baptism to be baptized correctly Book, chapter and verse please.


For those who are unaware this cult(or as wordsponge calls it religion) has secrets they don’t want to share on CC see this response with quotes from wordsponge @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300649 or maybe you would prefer this quote fromdaughterof light @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300637
 
Nov 13, 2013
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I am not a Branham follower.
I told you that you would persecute the "true Jerusalem."
Remember my word to you.

Also you should not be partial, you do know that Peter sado to baptize calling on Jesus.

My Teacher:
1 John.2
[27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,
and ye need not that any man teach you:
but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,
and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
[28] And now, little children, abide in him; that,
when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Have a good time :)
 
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I am not a Branham follower.
I told you that you would persecute the "true Jerusalem."
Remember my word to you.

Also you should not be partial, you do know that Peter sado to baptize calling on Jesus.

My Teacher:
1 John.2
[27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you,
and ye need not that any man teach you:
but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,
and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
[28] And now, little children, abide in him; that,
when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

Have a good time :)
ROFLMHO Exposing a secret keeping cult is not persecuting the true Jerusalem.
So you don’t follow Branham, does that mean you came up with this heretical teaching all on your own?

The verses you quote do not say we are to baptize in Jesus’ name only. Please quote the book chapter and verse that says we are to baptize in the name of Jesus only. Please quote the book chapter and verse that requires us to call on Jesus while under water during baptism..

Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the HolyGhost:
The Scriptures are available to all whoseek the truth. The truth won’t be found in a secret keeping cult.

For those who are unaware this cult has secrets they don’t want to share on CC see this response with quotes from wordsponge @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300649 or maybe you would prefer this quote fromdaughterof light @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300637
 
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ROFLMHO Exposing a secret keeping cult is not persecuting the true Jerusalem.
So you don’t follow Branham, does that mean you came up with this heretical teaching all on your own?

The verses you quote do not say we are to baptize in Jesus’ name only. Please quote the book chapter and verse that says we are to baptize in the name of Jesus only. Please quote the book chapter and verse that requires us to call on Jesus while under water during baptism..

Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the HolyGhost:
The Scriptures are available to all whoseek the truth. The truth won’t be found in a secret keeping cult.

For those who are unaware this cult has secrets they don’t want to share on CC see this response with quotes from wordsponge @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300649 or maybe you would prefer this quote fromdaughterof light @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/78817-recovering-matt-28-19-baptism-formula-pro-christ-gentile-save-thyself-7.html#post1300637
FALSE WITNESS:

Deut.19
[16] If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
[17] Then both the men, between whom the controversy is,
shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, who shall be in those days;
[18] And the judges shall make diligent inquisition:
and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
[19] Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother
so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

Beg Jesus for forgiveness. You worked diligently for it.

The baptism that you hate will save you.
 
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doulos

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FALSE WITNESS:

Deut.19
[16] If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong;
[17] Then both the men, between whom the controversy is,
shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, who shall be in those days;
[18] And the judges shall make diligent inquisition:
and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother;
[19] Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother
so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.

Beg Jesus for forgiveness. You worked diligently for it.

The baptism that you hate will save you.
Who is bearing false witness? The false witness is the one that claims those who baptise in the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost are false prophets. Read wordsponges claims and my reply @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/79942-one-doctrine-no-divisions-2.html#post1302869

Baptism will save no one. It is being born again that saves a person.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Have you had the circumcision of heart that comes from being born again? If so then wht Scriptural justification do you have to stand in direct opposition of the instructions given in God's inspired word?
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the HolyGhost:
 
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Conotocarious

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Is this christian chat or heretic chat? Apostate chat?
 
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Anonimous

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yes........................................
 
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Rofl.
All depends on the day.
: )

The Spirit my friend.

We are basically LOOSERS who get the full remedy from GOD when we go to Christ.

The surprise is that there is a high degree of happiness, internal strenght, peace and ease of person
through the ability to LOVE and liberally do good. :)
 
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Col.1
[9] For this cause we (the Spirit filled Apostles) also,
since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you,
and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of GOD's will
in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; >. (from GOD through the Spirit)
 
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The Spirit my friend.

We are basically LOOSERS who get the full remedy from GOD when we go to Christ.
The way to know Christ can be found in the Scriptures. It will not be found by following the profane babling of one who teaches that those who do as Christ instructed concerning baptism are false prophets!

The darkness has to go for the ILLUMINATION to shine forth.

Deut.18
[20] But the prophet, who shall presume to speak a word in my name, >> (Like triune Baptism)
that I have not commanded him to speak
, or that shall speak in the name of other gods,
even that prophet shall die.
Go boldly BOTH are with us
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 

damombomb

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Dublos can you show me one verse where anyone has been baptsied in any other name besides Jesus name? Anywhere in the bible?
 
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doulos

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Dublos can you show me one verse where anyone has been baptsied in any other name besides Jesus name? Anywhere in the bible?
What were Christ's instructions?

Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Shall we toss out the instructions Christ Himself gave? Follow Christ's instruction or follow wordsponge the choice is yours.

wordsponge;1302706The darkness has to go for the ILLUMINATION to shine forth. Deut.18 [[B said:
20[/B]] But the prophet, who shall presume to speak a word in my name, >> (Like triune Baptism)
that I have not commanded him to speak
, or that shall speak in the name of other gods,
even that prophet shall die.
Go boldly BOTH are with us


Was Christ a false prophet when he said
Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Or is the one who teaches contrary to Christ's teaching the false prophet?