CA Supreme Court rules that remaining silent is proof that you're guilty.

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AgeofKnowledge

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I couldn't make this up if I tried: Court: Silence Can Be Used Against Suspects - ABC News

The California Supreme Court has ruled that the silence of suspects can be used against them.Wading into a legally tangled vehicular manslaughter case, a sharply divided high court on Thursday effectively reinstated the felony conviction of a man accused in a 2007 San Francisco Bay Area crash that left an 8-year-old girl dead and her sister and mother injured.

Richard Tom was sentenced to seven years in prison for manslaughter after authorities said he was speeding and slammed into another vehicle at a Redwood City intersection.

Prosecutors repeatedly told jurors during the trial that Tom's failure to ask about the victims immediately after the crash but before police read him his so-called Miranda rights showed his guilt.

Legal analysts said the ruling could affect future cases, allowing prosecutors to exploit a suspect's refusal to talk before invoking 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination.

"It's a bad and questionable decision," said Dennis Fischer, a longtime criminal appellate lawyer.

Tom's attorney Marc Zilversmit said he is deciding whether to petition the U.S. Supreme Court to take up the issue or renew his arguments in the state court of appeal.

"It's a very dangerous ruling," Zilversmit said. "If you say anything to the police, that can be used against you. Now, if you don't say anything before you are warned of your rights, that too can be used against you."

The state Supreme Court in a 4-3 ruling said Tom needed to explicitly assert his right to remain silent — before he was read his Miranda rights — for the silence to be inadmissible in court.

Tom has been freed on $300,000 bail pending his appeal.

Tom was arrested after his Mercedes sedan plowed into a car driven by Lorraine Wong, who was turning left onto a busy street.

Prosecutors argue that Tom's car was speeding at 67 mph in a 35 mph zone when the collision occurred. He was placed in the back of a police cruiser but was not officially arrested and advised of his rights until later in the day.

Prosecutors said Tom's failure to ask about the Wong family while detained showed his guilt.

Justice Goodwin Liu dissented.

"The court today holds, against common sense expectations, that remaining silent after being placed under arrest is not enough to exercise one's right to remain silent," Liu wrote.

The ACLU filed a friend of the court brief supporting Tom's appeal.

Fischer and others say the ruling might not be the last word on the issue.

The high court ordered the court of appeal to reconsider the case, meaning it could return to the California Supreme Court.

The high court is undergoing a dramatic transition and it's possible that two new justices would reconsider the ruling.

Baxter, a Republican appointee and reliable conservative vote on the court, is retiring in January.

Meanwhile, Gov. Jerry Brown recently nominated Stanford University law professor Mariano-Florentino Cuéllar to fill a vacancy.

"This could be the last hurrah for a conservative Supreme Court," appellate lawyer Jon Eisenberg said.

^ So if you remain silent that's proof that you're guilty. I suppose if you're a deaf mute they might make an exception... maybe. You have to TELL them you WISH TO REMAIN SILENT AND INVOKE YOUR FIFTH AMENDMENT RIGHT NOW.
 
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Under the so-called "liberals," the U.S. Constitution hangs by a thread.
 
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Looks like Miranda is getting more insignificant by the day now. Authorities, at least thats my impression, is leaning towards a "the goal justifies the means" philosophy, which, I believe, was popular back in the days of the spanish inquisition. This way of thinking should not be a part of the common law system nor any other legal system...just sayin...

IRS, prosecuters, politicians etc. are, in their own eyes, at least this is what they constantly keep telling us, morally superior to the citizens of a country, and their perspectives are, as a consequence, superior to other perspectives. The minute they start thinking theyre superior theres no need for contradiction, Miranda rights and boring fifth amendment based stuff in general. Their way is the best, and they don't actually need the defendants opinion, or some random tax payer's hog wash.

A system like this gotta be the bureaucratic paradise. They can do whatever they want, whenever they want to whomever they want. And they are always right...chew on that.

Now, aint we a bunch a sweet and gullible people?
 

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Just tell the judge that you have the information on your computer through the email but you lost the email...it's worked before, so there's a precedence.

The 9th circuit is a circus...it will be overturned.
 
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All the more reason not to move to Liberally biased California. This decision no doubt will go to the supreme court yet again. The CSC can't repeal the 5th amendment, a federal protection, being they're a state court.

[h=2]Supreme Court Rules Fifth Amendment Has to Actually Be Invoked
[/h] Scott Shackford|Jun. 17, 2013 In a 5-4 decision the Supreme Court ruled today that a potential defendant’s silence can be used against him if he is being interviewed by police but is not arrested (and read his Miranda rights) and has not verbally invoked the protection of the Fifth Amendment. (Article Continues at Link)


The PDF of the SCOTUS opinion


FindLaw: Right of Persons = Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

Amendment Text | Annotations
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.



Unfortunately the poor that the CSC may be presumed to be targeting with this unconstitutional decision will likely have a public defender when they're arrested. If the defendant remains silent, which is their irrevocable right due to the language contained in the 5th amendment, they'll likely be railroaded by the state and its officials.

It's a tragedy what this country is coming to. But it is a forewarning of what we should watch out for.