Christ PLUS Equals Nothing

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Abiding in Christ is very simple to understand. Here is an illustration that I have used before to explain how abiding works:

Let's say you were all alone drowning in rough seas. A captain of a nearby boat sees you struggling, rushes over, and pulls you out of the water. He then gives you a change of clothes and allows you stay in his personal quarters, eating from his own table, for the remainder of the voyage. He then tells you to stay at His side and to avoid going out on deck because there is always the risk that the waves could pull you back into the water where you might drown.

You are now faced with three options:

#1. trust the Captain and stay inside the boat, no self effort involved
#2. ignore the Captain, and jump back into dangerous waters
#3. flirt with disaster by going on deck on hoping that, if you do fall in, the captain will be there to rescue you once again

Now, common sense tells you that the easiest and safest option is to stay with the captain inside the boat. Biblical faith works similarly. Jesus saves us and accepts us into His Presence. He then warns us to avoid temptation because to indulge in sin is to venture outside of His Presence:

"But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin." ~ 1 John 3:5

However, in regards to salvation, most believers choose the equivalent of option three. They go about living their lives with little regard to what the Bible says, hoping that God will bail them out in times of trouble. To them, God is nothing more than a life preserver, only needed in an emergency.

True, biblical faith not only saves us but also sanctifies us. One need not do anything to remain saved and sanctified but rest in Him by placing all trust in Him and what He teaches. It's when we take our fate into our own hands and follow after the desires of our flesh that we stumble outside of faith and into sin.
 
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Budman

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Budman, could you show me a single verse that clearly supports this claim? I think of several verses that says otherwise.
Scripture in it's entirety teaches that our salvation isn't based on anything we do (or not do), it's based on faith in the finished work of Christ.

Galatians 2:16

Romans 4:4-6

Romans 3:28

Once we place our faith in Jesus, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30), and promised we will make it to heaven (Ephesians 1:13-14), because Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2, Philippians 1:6). There is no condemnation for Christians, because Jesus was condemned and took our punishment in our place (Romans 8:1).

We can never be lost no matter how we live our Christian lives because every sin we have ever, and will ever commit, has been forever forgiven and forgotten:

Micah 7:19

Hebrews 10:17

1 John 1:7

Colossians 2:13

Romans 4:8

We are completely free from any and all accusation (Colossians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:19)

Our sins have been paid in full by Christ, and there remains no further payment that can be made for them, because Jesus said the work is "finished".

Let's say you are a man who commits 25 sins a day, and your neighbor, a fellow believer, commits 50 sins a day - are you holier than he is? How many sins condemns a man? (One).

Does God take the sacrifice of Jesus and grades on a sliding scale?

Are our sins only forgiven up to the day of our initial salvation, and not after?

If our future sins are not also covered by the blood, then Jesus needs to go back to the cross - because only the shedding of blood covers/removes sin.

Either all of our sins are paid for and forgotten, as the Bible teaches, or none of them are.

However, how we live as believers counts in regard to rewards we receive, or lose, at the Judgement Seat. A carnal Christian may receive no reward, but he himself shall be saved (1 Corinthians 3:15).

God will chasten His wayward children - as any good parents does - even to the point of taking him home. But again, he will still be saved, because he has the blood of Christ credited to his account.
 
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Scripture in it's entirety teaches that our salvation isn't based on anything we do (or not do), it's based on faith in the finished work of Christ.

Galatians 2:16

Romans 4:4-6

Romans 3:28

Once we place our faith in Jesus, we are sealed by the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30), and promised we will make it to heaven (Ephesians 1:13-14), because Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2, Philippians 1:6). There is no condemnation for Christians, because Jesus was condemned and took our punishment in our place (Romans 8:1).

We can never be lost no matter how we live our Christian lives because every sin we have ever, and will ever commit, has been forever forgiven and forgotten:

Micah 7:19

Hebrews 10:17

1 John 1:7

Colossians 2:13

Romans 4:8

We are completely free from any and all accusation (Colossians 1:22, 2 Corinthians 5:19)

Our sins have been paid in full by Christ, and there remains no further payment that can be made for them, because Jesus said the work is "finished".

Let's say you are a man who commits 25 sins a day, and your neighbor, a fellow believer, commits 50 sins a day - are you holier than he is? How many sins condemns a man? (One).

Does God take the sacrifice of Jesus and grades on a sliding scale?

Are our sins only forgiven up to the day of our initial salvation, and not after?

If our future sins are not also covered by the blood, then Jesus needs to go back to the cross - because only the shedding of blood covers/removes sin.

Either all of our sins are paid for and forgotten, as the Bible teaches, or none of them are.

However, how we live as believers counts in regard to rewards we receive, or lose, at the Judgement Seat. A carnal Christian may receive no reward, but he himself shall be saved (1 Corinthians 3:15).

God will chasten His wayward children - as any good parents does - even to the point of taking him home. But again, he will still be saved, because he has the blood of Christ credited to his account.
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