Condemned by Heb 12:16-17 ? Here's help.

[crossnote]

Hebrews 12:16-17 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Often young christians misread this passage to mean that Esau had gone so far that even though he sought repentance he was rejected having become so profane.

The proper understanding is that because he was profane he was rejected from receiving the birthright (even though he sought the birthright with tears) but failed to come to the place of repentance. In otherwords he craved the goodies (birthright) but not God (repentance).

 

[Hizikyah]

I want to add a passage also from Hebrews, I think it helps me to apply this understanding and fuel to avoid doing the same in my life.

Hebrews 10:26-30, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."

 

[crossnote]

I want to add a passage also from Hebrews, I think it helps me to apply this understanding and fuel to avoid doing the same in my life.

Hebrews 10:26-30, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."

Yes, and I believe the willful sin of verse 26 is the wilfull rejection of the Messiah verse 29 after receiving the knowledge of the truth concerning Yeshua.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes, and I believe the willful sin of verse 26 is the wilfull rejection of the Messiah verse 29 after receiving the knowledge of the truth concerning Yeshua.

I always looked at it like the knowledge of the truth was Messiah. You know, He is the way, the truth, and the light! So all in context here would be or would have been people that accepted the Messiah. I do think it possible to be as you say, because it is a bit subjective, not as clear cut as some verses.

And viewed the trampling underfoot was using Messiah's blood as a doormat for excuse to sin and counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing would be turning from Messiah; by counting the blood as not holy, special, a blessing, holding fast, etc

Eiter way it would be "rejecting the birthright" kind of thing.

 

[directline2iam]

Hebrews 12:16-17 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Often young christians misread this passage to mean that Esau had gone so far that even though he sought repentance he was rejected having become so profane.

The proper understanding is that because he was profane he was rejected from receiving the birthright (even though he sought the birthright with tears) but failed to come to the place of repentance. In otherwords he craved the goodies (birthright) but not God (repentance).

Your last sentence don't quite sit right with what I understand.
Fornicating: Esau slept with sin.
He profaned: He made lite of God's blessing.
When he realized his sins, it was too late, no going back (no place for repentance) He couldn't undo his actions even though he begged God through tears.

I agree with the first part of your last sentence but not the: but not God (repentance). part.
He did crave the goodies and he also craved repentance. But like all fornicators and profaners, they too will not inherit the birthright, (the sonship with Father). Because once you die, there is no more repentance, no going back to life and doing it God's way.

If you take off the last word in parenthesis ...repentance, then I'm one hundred percent with you on this one, but adding it changes the meaning of the verse. To me anyway. Let me know what you think.

 

[crossnote]

Your last sentence don't quite sit right with what I understand.
Fornicating: Esau slept with sin.
He profaned: He made lite of God's blessing.
When he realized his sins, it was too late, no going back (no place for repentance) He couldn't undo his actions even though he begged God through tears.

I agree with the first part of your last sentence but not the: but not God (repentance). part.
He did crave the goodies and he also craved repentance. But like all fornicators and profaners, they too will not inherit the birthright, (the sonship with Father). Because once you die, there is no more repentance, no going back to life and doing it God's way.

If you take off the last word in parenthesis ...repentance, then I'm one hundred percent with you on this one, but adding it changes the meaning of the verse. To me anyway. Let me know what you think.

Where does it say he 'craved repentance'? Where did he go to God asking for repentance?